Lance Smith wrote (2003-08-30 17:51:44 PST):
I just wonder what [Tim Krabbe] has against
Fischer?

I wrote (2003-08-31 12:06:28 PST):
Perhaps things like this have something to
do with it.

"... I'm hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario,
where sane people will take over the U. S. now. You know
what I mean? Sane people, military people, yes. They will
imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred
thousand of them at least ..."
- (http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/)

....

Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-06 06:57:56):

Someone emailed me this:

"Yeah, there are too many Jews in chess," Fischer
told an interviewer in 1962. "They seem to have
taken away the class of the game. They don't seem
to dress so nicely. That's what I don't like."

Is this the quote in the 60s that you're referring
to?. If something else, please let us know.

_
Again, I referred to reports of Fischer comments
GOING ALL THE WAY BACK to the nineteen sixties.
The email that Lance Smith is talking about may
be the earliest report that I have seen about
Fischer's attitude towards Jews, but it is certainly
not the only one. As I have mentioned before,
one could also look at the transcripts from the
1992 match.

(Liam Too) wrote in message . com...
"Robert Musicant" wrote in message . net...
Lance,
This started out along the lines of your saying that Chun and Krabbe were
deliberately piling up on Fischer, jointly defaming him with knowinly false
information. Now it sounds like you are sliding towards their being
innocent dupes of someone with a personal grudge against Fischer. Exactly
what is your gripe about what they wrote? I hardly think your problem with
them revolves around whether or not Fischer has a daughter.
Bob

Bob,
Let me clear up the semantics here. I said "in cohorts", meaning "in it
together", because of the same source, without even knowing each other.

'Speech is not made from dictionaries; but dictionaries from speech.'
--Hugh Henry Brackenridge (Modern Chivalry)

Lance,

I believe that Robert Musicant's point and mine (which I expressed earlier) is
that it was quite misleading for you to have written, "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe
*are in cohorts* in publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer", because
your statement implied--incorrectly--that Chun and Krabbe do know each other
and are working closely together in a secret conspiracy against Fischer.

Please be more careful in how you write such statements about other people.

My gripe is that their source made up the story, that's all. Fischer
doesn't like personal stories that is not even true, in addition the the
"Pathetic Endgame" of Chun.

Which specific "personal story" about Bobby Fischer is "not even true"?

Simple enough?

I am ready to accept your claims about Bobby Fischer if you can show me
enough evidence to support them. Thanks.

'He complicated matters by being so simple.'
--Joseph Conrad (Lord Jim)

--Nick

(Liam Too) wrote in message . com...
(Nick) wrote in message om...
Thanks for writing: I can understand what you mean now.
When you originally wrote that "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe *are
in cohorts* in publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer",
your statement evidently implied that Chun and Krabbe have been
working closely together to defame Fischer, instead of simply
having independently accepted some information from the same
allegedly dubious source. I found it hard to believe that Rene
Chun and Tim Krabbe would have been knowingly colluding in a
secret conspiracy against Bobby Fischer since, as far as I know,
Chun and Krabbe might hardly even know each other, if at all.

Exactly Nick!
They might not know each other but their source knows them both.
I am not the kind of person who would cry conspiracy...

Lance,

Then your original statement, "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe *are in cohorts*
in publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer", was quite misleading.

In this thread (30 August 2003), you ("Liam Too") wrote to Peter van der Hoog:
"...Tim Krabbe is the one who is making up stories about Fischer, lots of
inaccurate articles at their worst."

That statement ("making up stories about Fischer") implies that you do believe
that Tim Krabbe is knowingly defaming Bobby Fischer. If that's not what you
really believe, then could you please make clear exactly what you do believe?

'In the opinion, not of bad men, but of the best men, no belief which is
contrary to truth can be really useful.'
--John Stuart Mill

--Nick

(Louis Blair) wrote in message . com...

"Yeah, there are too many Jews in chess," Fischer
told an interviewer in 1962. "They seem to have
taken away the class of the game. They don't seem
to dress so nicely. That's what I don't like."

Is this the quote in the 60s that you're referring
to?. If something else, please let us know.--Lance Smith

_
Again, I referred to reports of Fischer comments
GOING ALL THE WAY BACK to the nineteen sixties.
The email that Lance Smith is talking about may
be the earliest report that I have seen about
Fischer's attitude towards Jews, but it is certainly
not the only one. As I have mentioned before,
one could also look at the transcripts from the
1992 match.--Dr. Blair

Dr. Blair,

Like I said above, if something else, please let us know.

Lance

(Nick) wrote in message . com...
I am ready to accept your claims about Bobby Fischer if you can show me
enough evidence to support them. Thanks.

'He complicated matters by being so simple.'
--Joseph Conrad (Lord Jim)--Nick

Sorry Nick, what I already posted publicly is as far as I can go.
There's a lot at stake here and I'm not prepared to compromise that.

It's similar on the your issue in not telling your real identity
publicly. The difference with mine is that it's 100 times more
in intensity.

Lance

(Nick) wrote in message
Lance,

Then your original statement, "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe *are in cohorts*
in publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer", was quite misleading.

In this thread (30 August 2003), you ("Liam Too") wrote to Peter van der Hoog:
"...Tim Krabbe is the one who is making up stories about Fischer, lots of
inaccurate articles at their worst."

That statement ("making up stories about Fischer") implies that you do believe
that Tim Krabbe is knowingly defaming Bobby Fischer. If that's not what you
really believe, then could you please make clear exactly what you do believe?

'In the opinion, not of bad men, but of the best men, no belief which is
contrary to truth can be really useful.'
--John Stuart Mill

--Nick

Nick,

Please do not assume anything that I wrote and I will write. What
I mean with what I said is what I mean and not what you understood.

My target audience understood what I wrote and that's all that
matters. And, I don't have to be careful in writing them just for you.

Lance

(Liam Too) wrote in message . com...
(Nick) wrote:
(snipped)
In this thread (30 August 2003), you ("Liam Too") wrote to Peter van der
Hoog: "...Tim Krabbe is the one who is making up stories about Fischer,
lots of inaccurate articles at their worst."

That statement ("making up stories about Fischer") implies that you do
believe that Tim Krabbe is knowingly defaming Bobby Fischer. If that's not
what you really believe, then could you please make clear exactly what you
do believe?

Nick,
Please do not assume anything that I wrote and I will write.

'Take care of the sense and the sounds will take care of themselves.'
--Lewis Carroll (Alice in Wonderland)

Lance,

Actually, I was *not* "assum(ing) anything". I just *asked* you:
"Could you *please* make clear exactly what you do believe?"

I was ready to accept your *clear* statement of your own beliefs.
But your response to me did not make any such clear statement.

What I mean with what I said is what I mean and not what you understood.

Have you been reading Lewis Carroll lately? :-)

'A Mock Turtle is the thing Mock Turtle Soup is made from.'
--Lewis Carroll (Alice in Wonderland)

My target audience understood what I wrote and that's all that matters.

How can you be certain of that? What is your "target audience"?
Would it include, for instance, Louis Blair and Robert Musicant?

I can assure you that I am not the only reader here who thinks that my
question to you about Tim Krabbe, which you just evaded, is a good one.

And, I don't have to be careful in writing them just for you.
Lance

Evidently, my ability to read English prose surpasses your ability to write it.

'Words once spoken cannot be recalled: but they may be contradicted by other
words.'
--Samuel Richardson (Clarissa)

--Nick

(Liam Too) wrote in message . com...
(Nick) wrote in message . com...
I am ready to accept your claims about Bobby Fischer if you can show me
enough evidence to support them. Thanks.

Sorry Nick, what I already posted publicly is as far as I can go.
There's a lot at stake here and I'm not prepared to compromise that.

Dear Lance,

Please understand that I was *not* pressuring you to reveal your confidential
source(s). I can understand your decision and respect your obligation to
protect his or her privacy. Thanks for writing.

--Nick

(Nick) wrote in message . com...

Nick,

How can you be certain of that? What is your "target audience"?

Of course I was certain. My "target audience" does not include you and
I'm certain of that because it's mine.

If you just think simply Nick, once and for all, perhaps everything in
this world would be clearer.

Everything to you seems to be a mystery, that needs discerned and
elaborated further.

Evidently, my ability to read English prose surpasses your ability
to write it.

How can you be certain of that? If you can show me enough evidence to
support them, perhaps I will believe you.

Lance

Let me clear up the semantics here. I said "in cohorts", meaning "in
it together", because of the same source, without even knowing each
other.

My gripe is that their source made up the story, that's all. Fischer
doesn't like personal stories that is not even true, in addition the
the "Pathetic Endgame" of Chun.

Lance

Bobby Ang was not the only one source of the story. About a year
before Chun published his article somebody wrote in these groups that
Fischer had a child from Filippina

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...ing.google.com

He is currently living in Baguio City,Philippines (and traveling to
Japan often). I don't know about his lady friend in Japan...but last
I heard from friends and family in Baguio is that he has a son by a
Filipina and is currently living with her and the baby (although he
refuses to marry her).

Todd