When is the chess community going to come together, and make the effort
needed, to allow Bobby to come home from his cruel exile? It is really a
shame what has been done to Bobby!

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"Kenneth C." wrote in message ...
When is the chess community going to come together, and make the effort
needed, to allow Bobby to come home from his cruel exile? It is really a
shame what has been done to Bobby!

Firstly, Fischer's "cruel exile" is Fischer's own fault. Secondly, it
really *is* a shame what has been done to Bobby because he did it to
himself. Fischer is an embarrassment to our great game. I wish we
all could just forget him. warm regards, grey_hipster

p.s. It never really became clear to me how obnoxious Fischer really
is until his refusal to play Karpov in the world championship match.
I maintain Fischer was so afraid of losing to Karpov that his
universe-sized ego wouldn't let him play...Fischer loves chess? He
loves his self-image more. (Fischer *had* to play an over-the-hill
Spassky in '92 because he was broke and needed the money. Otherwise,
he would have stayed in Pasadena with his surrogate mother, imho.)

p.s. It never really became clear to me how obnoxious Fischer really
is until his refusal to play Karpov in the world championship match.
I maintain Fischer was so afraid of losing to Karpov that his
universe-sized ego wouldn't let him play...Fischer loves chess? He
loves his self-image more. (Fischer *had* to play an over-the-hill
Spassky in '92 because he was broke and needed the money. Otherwise,
he would have stayed in Pasadena with his surrogate mother, imho.)

You are misinformed. Fischer was not afraid to play Karpov. Fischer
was just a jerk. They were close to agreeing to a match until fischer
said that the match should be Fischer as World Champion and Karpov the
challenger. Karpov disagreed since he beat korchnoi and was named
champion. After seeing what happened to Spassky, Karpov wasn't going
to allow psychological tactics by Fischer to get him. Karpov said no
and Fischer said I'm not playing then. Whichever way you slice it
Fischer was a jerk.

EZoto

"Kenneth C." wrote in message
...
When is the chess community going to come together, and make the effort
needed, to allow Bobby to come home from his cruel exile? It is really a
shame what has been done to Bobby!

"How 'bout......NO?"

~ Dr. Evil

Regards,

Matt

EZoto wrote in message ws.com...
p.s. It never really became clear to me how obnoxious Fischer really
is until his refusal to play Karpov in the world championship match.
I maintain Fischer was so afraid of losing to Karpov that his
universe-sized ego wouldn't let him play...Fischer loves chess? He
loves his self-image more. (Fischer *had* to play an over-the-hill
Spassky in '92 because he was broke and needed the money. Otherwise,
he would have stayed in Pasadena with his surrogate mother, imho.)

You are misinformed. Fischer was not afraid to play Karpov. Fischer
was just a jerk. They were close to agreeing to a match until fischer
said that the match should be Fischer as World Champion and Karpov the
challenger. Karpov disagreed since he beat korchnoi and was named
champion. After seeing what happened to Spassky, Karpov wasn't going
to allow psychological tactics by Fischer to get him. Karpov said no
and Fischer said I'm not playing then. Whichever way you slice it
Fischer was a jerk.

EZoto

Ahhhh...my memory may be faulty!! My apologies! But somehow I seem
to remember a rules dispute between Fischer and FIDE, prior the match
with Karpov. Originally, the rules were to be "the first player to
win ten games, draws not counting, wins the match." If I remember
right, Fischer wanted a clause in the match rules stating that, in
event of a 9-9 tie, draws not counting, the match would be declared
drawn and the champion, Fischer, would retain the title. FIDE would
not agree to this, (Karpov would have to win nine games first to have
any chance!), so Fischer said, "I hearby resign my FIDE world
championship title." It also seems to me that all this was *before*
the Korchnoi/Karpov match.. Again, my memory may be faulty..
warm regards, GreyHipster

EZoto wrote (2003-09-14 19:00:30 PST):

[Fischer and Karpov] were close to agreeing
to a match until fischer said that the match
should be Fischer as World Champion and Karpov
the challenger. Karpov disagreed since he beat
korchnoi and was named champion. ... Karpov
said no and Fischer said I'm not playing then.

_
This is not the version of the story that I
have heard. Here, for example, is a version
that Larry Parr said that he received in an
email:

"I'm sure you've heard the famous Campo
story, about Fischer and Karpov staying
at different hotels in D.C., with Campo
as the intermediary, running between the
two with a contract for the World
Championship. Each page laboriously
initialed by both, with Karpov agreeing
to all the asinine demands - until they
got to the final stage. When it came to
the final signatures, Fischer decided to
change 'Fide World Championship' to
'Professional World hampionship.' Karpov
-- or his Russian 'advisors' refused to
accept the change to a page already
initialed."

This, it should be noted, would have been AFTER
the events in 1975 when Fischer refused to
play without his 9-9 condition.

"Bobby Fischer had sent in a number of demands ... Some
of these were conceded ... But two demands were rejected.
... Numerous telegrams had been sent to the Congress by
Fischer via his spokesman, Fred Cramer. The last one said
that, in the light of FIDE's decisions, he was resigning his
FIDE world-championship title. ... Another attempt was
made to bring the FIDE and Fischer into complete accord,
when Colonel Edmondson (U.S. Chess Federation) asked
for the summoning of an extraordinary meeting of the FIDE
Congress. There being a sufficient number of countries in
agreement, it duly assembled at Bergen-aan-Zee in the
Netherlands from 18 to 20 March, 1975. It was an
extraordinary congress in every sense of the word, and
eventually, after much heated discussion, one of Fischer's
demands was conceded: the match was to have a limitless
number of games. But Fischer's other demand - that a
draw be declared when the situation reached nine to nine
- was rejected by a majority of three. Fischer's words on
hearing this were, 'It's all over then.' No match took place.
Fischer ignored the request to say by 2 April whether or not
he would play, and Karpov became the new world champion"
- Golombek (1976)

(Louis Blair) wrote in message . com...
EZoto wrote (2003-09-14 19:00:30 PST):

[Fischer and Karpov] were close to agreeing
to a match until fischer said that the match
should be Fischer as World Champion and Karpov
the challenger. Karpov disagreed since he beat
korchnoi and was named champion. ... Karpov
said no and Fischer said I'm not playing then.--Ezoto

_
This is not the version of the story that I
have heard. Here, for example, is a version
that Larry Parr said that he received in an
email:--Dr. Blair

Dr. Blair,

Ezoto's version is the most accurate story that I've heard. But of
course, this is not to dis-credit Larry Parr's version.

BTW, journalists are still talking about the Fischer - Karpov match.
Look at your October Chess Life and see what GM Larry Evans has to say
about them Russians.

Lance Smith

EZoto wrote (2003-09-14 19:00:30 PST):
[Fischer and Karpov] were close to agreeing
to a match until fischer said that the match
should be Fischer as World Champion and Karpov
the challenger. Karpov disagreed since he beat
korchnoi and was named champion. ... Karpov
said no and Fischer said I'm not playing then.

I wrote (2003-09-15 18:12:55 PST):
This is not the version of the story that I
have heard. Here, for example, is a version
that Larry Parr said that he received in an
email:

"I'm sure you've heard the famous Campo
story, about Fischer and Karpov staying
at different hotels in D.C., with Campo
as the intermediary, running between the
two with a contract for the World
Championship. Each page laboriously
initialed by both, with Karpov agreeing
to all the asinine demands - until they
got to the final stage. When it came to
the final signatures, Fischer decided to
change 'Fide World Championship' to
'Professional World hampionship.' Karpov
-- or his Russian 'advisors' refused to
accept the change to a page already
initialed."

This, it should be noted, would have been AFTER
the events in 1975 when Fischer refused to
play without his 9-9 condition.

"Bobby Fischer had sent in a number of demands ... Some
of these were conceded ... But two demands were rejected.
... Numerous telegrams had been sent to the Congress by
Fischer via his spokesman, Fred Cramer. The last one said
that, in the light of FIDE's decisions, he was resigning his
FIDE world-championship title. ... Another attempt was
made to bring the FIDE and Fischer into complete accord,
when Colonel Edmondson (U.S. Chess Federation) asked
for the summoning of an extraordinary meeting of the FIDE
Congress. There being a sufficient number of countries in
agreement, it duly assembled at Bergen-aan-Zee in the
Netherlands from 18 to 20 March, 1975. It was an
extraordinary congress in every sense of the word, and
eventually, after much heated discussion, one of Fischer's
demands was conceded: the match was to have a limitless
number of games. But Fischer's other demand - that a
draw be declared when the situation reached nine to nine
- was rejected by a majority of three. Fischer's words on
hearing this were, 'It's all over then.' No match took place.
Fischer ignored the request to say by 2 April whether or not
he would play, and Karpov became the new world champion"
- Golombek (1976)


Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-16 08:42:38 PST):

Ezoto's version is the most accurate story
that I've heard.

_
A statement of this sort does not establish
much without verifiable sources.

(Louis Blair) wrote in message . com...
_
A statement of this sort does not establish
much without verifiable sources.

Dr. Blair,

It does if you know Ezoto.

You did not respond to what I said about GM Larry Evans' article in
the October Chess Life about the Fischer - Karpov match.

Lance Smith