Well, not for nothing but its because of people like YOU, SOFT people, that
this country is in the state that it's in. Yes, I DID say shoot them. Because
they would or HAVE showed us any mercy?
As far as Sherzer is concerned, it's not NORMAL for a 32 year old man to be
sexually attracted to a 15 year old kid. He's a freak any way you slice it up
and I'd really like to tell him that to his face. I wonder if he'd have pulled
the same crap with that girl had her father been alive.

THE RACE CARD

By Larry Parr

As evidence to support his outrage, Sherzer produced unredacted copies of two
e-mail messages that Granade allowed the jury to see only in their censored
form. What was missing in Stabler's April 29 message to Sherzer was a line
explaining that Jane, who is white, supposedly got into a fight at Strickland
with a black girl. The fictitious fight was broken up by a male staffer who
sided with the second girl because he too was black, Stabler wrote, adding that
his Jane told the staff member "what I thought of him and his race."

Sherzer's response, written the same day, included this short paragraph:

"Sweety, watch out with the racist remarks. That's some sensitive stuff. Black
people are human beings with feelings, just like everybody else."

Jurors -- several of whom were black -- saw neither passage. Chief U.S.
District Judge Ginny Granade ruled before the trial that, essentially, the
emotions the racial comments might inspire in a jury outweighed any factual
value they might have. -- The Mobile Register

If I were annotating the e-mail messages between Alex Sherzer and
Federal regime agent Stan Stabler, I would give agent Stabler an exclam point
for bringing up race and placing racist epithets in the mouth of the girl he
was, ah, protecting.

Very clever move.

GM Sherzer defended neatly however with his own exclam move by
warning his young lady friend -- by now the federal agent -- that she ought to
be careful making racist comments because blacks are also people with feelings
like the rest of us.

The judge dubiously excluded this snippet. In my view, the defense
should be allowed to quote anything exculpatory from the e-mails before the FBI
intervened.

Now, then, why did agent Stabler play the race card?

The reason is clear enough: the feds were already planning on a trial
which they figured would have several black jurors and hoped to get the racial
stuff admitted as evidence, especially if Dr. Sherzer had played a
question-mark move and MIXED RACE WITH SEX. That was the trap.

On the other hand, the feds knew in advance that if Dr. Sherzer
refused to bite on the racism angle that a judge might not permit prejudicial
evidence which did not concern sex before a jury with blacks on it.

In short, agent Stabler understood what the likely court rulings would
be (undoubtedly the agents discussed every word Stabler wrote and vetted the
words with Justice Department lawyers). If he could inveigle Dr. Sherzer into
mixing sex and race, then he could get Sherzer on record as a racist. If the
doctor did not fall for the ploy, then the judge would keep those portions of
the e-mail messages from a jury containing blacks.

That how our wonderful federal government operate, and as Randy Bauer
has put the matter: better to hound innocent people if that's what it takes to
prevent Internet sexual crime. In short, better 10 thousand innocent Bauers in
jail if such is required to stop 10 million Internet "crimes."

As for society based on human rights, that's now old-fashioned stuff.
What counts is using raw power to meet defined social ends. If a few hundred
thousand human units or, perhaps, a few million must be knocked off or locked
up to protect a hundred million (or whatever ratio of numbers one would care to
employ) then so be it.

That is how the dream of the Founding Fathers ends: anti-normative
laws administered by godfathers.

oJuNk (Mogath3) wrote in message ...
Well, not for nothing but its because of people like YOU, SOFT people,
that this country is in the state that it's in. Yes, I DID say shoot them.
Because they would or HAVE showed us any mercy?

Thanks for confirming the accuracy of my quotation of you (which you snipped).

So is it more important to you that the United States should flagrantly
violate international law (by your proposed execution of all 'detainees'
at Guantanamo) in order to take bloody revenge against all its suspected
enemies than for the United States to adopt a lawful policy that could
encourage the more humane treatment of any American prisoners-of-war or
hostages in the future?

During and after the Second World War, the United States deliberately
executed very few of its prisoners-of-war from the Waffen-SS.

As far as Sherzer is concerned, it's not NORMAL for a 32 year old man to be
sexually attracted to a 15 year old kid. He's a freak any way you slice it up
and I'd really like to tell him that to his face. I wonder if he'd have pulled
the same crap with that girl had her father been alive.

Whatever you may intend to say to Alex Sherzer is none of my concern.

"'Oh, but reasoning is worse than scolding!' exclaimed Dora, in despair."
--Charles Dickens (David Copperfield)

--Nick

Dear Larry,

Heil Dubya!

With such clear and timely reasoning (I'm sorry I didn't see into the ploy,
myself, but I think you may know the vileness of the U. S. government better
than I.), would you be willing to answer publicly -- or privately -- the
parenthetical question with which I end all posts?


THE RACE CARD

By Larry Parr

As evidence to support his outrage, Sherzer produced unredacted copies of
two
e-mail messages that Granade allowed the jury to see only in their censored
form. What was missing in Stabler's April 29 message to Sherzer was a line
explaining that Jane, who is white, supposedly got into a fight at Strickland
with a black girl. The fictitious fight was broken up by a male staffer who
sided with the second girl because he too was black, Stabler wrote, adding
that
his Jane told the staff member "what I thought of him and his race."

Sherzer's response, written the same day, included this short paragraph:

"Sweety, watch out with the racist remarks. That's some sensitive stuff.
Black
people are human beings with feelings, just like everybody else."

Jurors -- several of whom were black -- saw neither passage. Chief U.S.
District Judge Ginny Granade ruled before the trial that, essentially, the
emotions the racial comments might inspire in a jury outweighed any factual
value they might have. -- The Mobile Register

If I were annotating the e-mail messages between Alex Sherzer and
Federal regime agent Stan Stabler, I would give agent Stabler an exclam point
for bringing up race and placing racist epithets in the mouth of the girl he
was, ah, protecting.

Very clever move.

GM Sherzer defended neatly however with his own exclam move by
warning his young lady friend -- by now the federal agent -- that she ought
to
be careful making racist comments because blacks are also people with
feelings
like the rest of us.

The judge dubiously excluded this snippet. In my view, the defense
should be allowed to quote anything exculpatory from the e-mails before the
FBI
intervened.

Now, then, why did agent Stabler play the race card?

The reason is clear enough: the feds were already planning on a
trial
which they figured would have several black jurors and hoped to get the
racial
stuff admitted as evidence, especially if Dr. Sherzer had played a
question-mark move and MIXED RACE WITH SEX. That was the trap.

On the other hand, the feds knew in advance that if Dr. Sherzer
refused to bite on the racism angle that a judge might not permit prejudicial
evidence which did not concern sex before a jury with blacks on it.

In short, agent Stabler understood what the likely court rulings would
be (undoubtedly the agents discussed every word Stabler wrote and vetted the
words with Justice Department lawyers). If he could inveigle Dr. Sherzer into
mixing sex and race, then he could get Sherzer on record as a racist. If the
doctor did not fall for the ploy, then the judge would keep those portions of
the e-mail messages from a jury containing blacks.

That how our wonderful federal government operate, and as Randy
Bauer
has put the matter: better to hound innocent people if that's what it takes
to
prevent Internet sexual crime. In short, better 10 thousand innocent Bauers
in
jail if such is required to stop 10 million Internet "crimes."

As for society based on human rights, that's now old-fashioned
stuff.
What counts is using raw power to meet defined social ends. If a few
hundred
thousand human units or, perhaps, a few million must be knocked off or locked
up to protect a hundred million (or whatever ratio of numbers one would care
to
employ) then so be it.

That is how the dream of the Founding Fathers ends: anti-normative
laws administered by godfathers.


Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristalnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally,

Jerry Bibuld
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