I'm looking for a
a chessgame played in an international world-champion level competition,
in which a black pawn, protected by a knight and a rook approaches
the queening square, and white concedes.

It must have been played before 1988, probably published to a wide audience in
USA,
maybe one of the players was Bobby Fischer, but I'm not sure.

"world-champion level" sounds like candidates tournament

Could you be a bit more obscure, please, Guenter?

sorry, I have no more info about the game.
This is from the novel "the eight" by K.Neville ,
where the action of the novel is apparantly
emulated by that chessgame.
So, maybe you get some more clues by reading the book,
but I doubt it.

Alternatively, can someone send me the games
of the candiates tournaments in ASCII ,
so I can write a program to check for these conditions ?

From: (Sterten)
Date: 09/10/03 12:32 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:

sorry, I have no more info about the game.
This is from the novel "the eight" by K.Neville ,
where the action of the novel is apparantly
emulated by that chessgame.
So, maybe you get some more clues by reading the book,
but I doubt it.

Alternatively, can someone send me the games
of the candiates tournaments in ASCII ,
so I can write a program to check for these conditions ?








I'll be glad to do that, although I can't guarantee that my database population
is exhaustive. Candidates tournaments from when (earliest date/location) to
when (latest date/location)?

I presume that by "ASCII" you mean a text file? Would PGN be suitable?

I'll be glad to do that, although I can't guarantee that my database
population
is exhaustive. Candidates tournaments from when (earliest date/location) to
when (latest date/location)?


1965- 1988 would be fine


I presume that by "ASCII" you mean a text file? Would PGN be suitable?

yes

(Sterten) wrote in message ...
I'm looking for a
a chessgame played in an international world-champion level competition,
in which a black pawn, protected by a knight and a rook approaches
the queening square, and white concedes.

It must have been played before 1988, probably published to a wide audience in
USA,
maybe one of the players was Bobby Fischer, but I'm not sure.

"world-champion level" sounds like candidates tournament

Here are three games that can nearly fit your description but they
are from world championship events not candidates tournament:

Gunsberg,I - Steinitz,W [C52]
World Championship 3rd New York (18), 21.01.1891

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.0-0 Qf6 7.d4 Nge7
8.Qa4 Bb6 9.Bg5 Qd6 10.Na3 exd4 11.Nb5 Qg6 12.cxd4 a6 13.d5 Ne5
14.Nxe5 Qxg5 15.Nf3 Qh6 16.Bb3 0-0 17.Rac1 c6 18.Nbd4 c5 19.Ne2 d6
20.Ng3 Bd8 21.e5 b5 22.Qa3 c4 23.exd6 Nxd5 24.Bc2 b4 25.Qa4 Qxd6
26.Be4 Nb6 27.Qc2 Rb8 28.Bxh7+ Kh8 29.Rcd1 Qh6 30.Bf5 g6 31.Bxc8 Rxc8
32.Qb2+ Qg7 33.Qxb4 Bc7 34.Rd4 Rfd8 35.Rh4+ Kg8 36.Ng5 Rd7 37.Re4 c3
38.Rfe1 Rdd8 39.Ne2 Nd5 40.Qa4 Qf6 41.Nf3 Bb6 42.Rc1 c2 43.h3 Qb2
44.Qb3 Qxb3 45.axb3 a5 46.Rc4 Rxc4 47.bxc4 Nb4 48.g3 Bxf2+ 49.Kxf2 Nd3+
50.Ke3 Nxc1 51.Nxc1 Rd1 52.Ne2 a4 53.Nfd4 c1Q+ 54.Nxc1 Rxc1 0-1



Euwe,M - Smyslov,V [D99]
World Championship 18th NLD/URS (24), 13.05.1948

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4
8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Qb3 Nb6 10.a4 a5 11.d5 Bxf3 12.gxf3 Qd6 13.Nb5 Qb4+
14.Qxb4 axb4 15.Nxc7 Rxa4 16.Rb1 N6d7 17.Nb5 Rc8 18.Be2 b3 19.Na3 Bxb2
20.Rxb2 Rxa3 21.Kd2 Na6 22.Rhb1 Nac5 23.Bd4 e5 24.dxe6 Nxe6 25.Be3 Ndc5
26.Bxc5 Nxc5 27.Kc3 Ra4 28.Kd2 Kg7 29.Ke3 Rd8 30.Rc1 b6 31.Bc4 Rda8
32.Bd5 Ra2 33.Rcb1 R8a4 34.Kd2 Rd4+ 35.Ke2 Na4 36.Rxa2 bxa2 37.Ra1 Nc3+
38.Ke3 Rd1 0-1



Spassky,B - Petrosian,T [B42]
World Championship 27th Moscow (1), 14.04.1969

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.Bd3 Nc6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.0-0 d5
8.Nd2 Nf6 9.Qe2 Be7 10.b3 0-0 11.Bb2 a5 12.f4 g6 13.Rad1 Nd7 14.c4 a4
15.f5 exf5 16.exf5 Bf6 17.Bxf6 Nxf6 18.Qf2 axb3 19.axb3 Ra2 20.fxg6 fxg6
21.h3 Qe7 22.Qd4 c5 23.Qf4 Bb7 24.Rde1 Qg7 25.Qe3 d4 26.Qe6+ Qf7
27.Qe2 Re8 28.Qf2 Rxe1 29.Qxe1 Qe8 30.Qxe8+ Nxe8 31.Be4 Rxd2 32.Bxb7 Nd6
33.Bd5+ Kg7 34.b4 cxb4 35.c5 Nf5 36.c6 Rc2 37.g4 Nd6 38.Rf4 d3 39.Rd4 d2
40.Bb3 Rxc6 41.Rxd2 Ne4 42.Rd7+ Kf6 43.Rxh7 Rc1+ 44.Kg2 Nc5 45.Bf7 b3
46.g5+ Kxg5 47.h4+ Kf6 48.h5 Rc2+ 49.Kf3 b2 50.Ba2 gxh5 51.Rxh5 Rc1
52.Rh6+ Ke5 53.Rb6 Na4 54.Re6+ Kd4 55.Re4+ Kc5 56.Rxa4 Ra1 0-1

(Sterten) writes:

I'm looking for a
a chessgame played in an international world-champion level competition,
in which a black pawn, protected by a knight and a rook approaches
the queening square, and white concedes.

This doesn't fit the description exactly, but there was a game
attributed to two Spanish players Ortueta and Sanz that involved a sacrifice
leading to promotion of a Black pawn. The Tim Krabbe web site has a long
article about it.

"Sterten" wrote in message
...
sorry, I have no more info about the game.
This is from the novel "the eight" by K.Neville ,
where the action of the novel is apparantly
emulated by that chessgame.
So, maybe you get some more clues by reading the book,
but I doubt it.

Alternatively, can someone send me the games
of the candiates tournaments in ASCII ,
so I can write a program to check for these conditions ?

As implied by one of the other answers in this thread, there would be no
reason to expect that Neville would necessarily have used a Candidates' game
as the model for one in her book. Her chess knowledge was not impressive.
It is a number of years since I read The Eight, but my recollection is that
in a modern championship (US or World?) she has a Two Knights Defense with
4. Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 being played, unlikely enought in itself, and after
the age-old sacrifice 6.Nxf7, she has the onlookers "astonished," that
"White would sacrifice his knight for a mere bishop." She did NOT say, "for
a mere pawn," or "a mere bishop pawn," but "a mere bishop." Makes you
wonder whether she knew anything more than the moves.

For some good games worked into the text there are "The Dragon Variation"
and "The Tower Struck by Lightning."

"Sterten" wrote in message
...
sorry, I have no more info about the game.
This is from the novel "the eight" by K.Neville ,
where the action of the novel is apparantly
emulated by that chessgame.
So, maybe you get some more clues by reading the book,
but I doubt it.

Alternatively, can someone send me the games
of the candiates tournaments in ASCII ,
so I can write a program to check for these conditions ?

Bob Musicant answered:

As implied by one of the other answers in this thread, there would be no
reason to expect that Neville would necessarily have used a Candidates' game
as the model for one in her book. Her chess knowledge was not impressive.

She read some autobiographies of chess masters.
According to the review in the St. Paul Pioneer Press-Dispatch, the Game in The

Eight is based on a real chess game which was played in a world championship.
Katherine Neville won't tell people which game it is, but she says she "chose
one that had the most moves in it and tailored the plot to that game. If you
understand chess, you can figure out what game it is, what grand master played
it and in what year."

Neville:
"Clue: it was a game used in international world-champion level competition, in

which a black pawn, protected by a knight (Solarin) and a rook (Nim) approaches

the queening square, and white concedes."

source:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aege.../comments.html.

It is a number of years since I read The Eight, but my recollection is that
in a modern championship (US or World?) she has a Two Knights Defense with
4. Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 being played, unlikely enought in itself, and after
the age-old sacrifice 6.Nxf7, she has the onlookers "astonished," that
"White would sacrifice his knight for a mere bishop." She did NOT say, "for
a mere pawn," or "a mere bishop pawn," but "a mere bishop." Makes you
wonder whether she knew anything more than the moves.

it's even worse in the German edition. "both had out a pawn and a knight"
(1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6) was translated with :"both captured a pawn and a knight"
"F.tucked his king behind some pawns" : protected his king by pawns
(1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.Bc4,Nf6 4.Ng5,d5 5.ed5 Nd5 6.Nf7,Kf7 7.Qf3)
and continues: " and S. moved his queen to attack the knight"
7.Qf3,Ke6,8.??? . It can't be 7.Qh5?,Kg8, 8.Qf3 ?

but the worst is that after 6.Nf7 , the best US-woman-player with ELO
2400 commented: "black should move his queen and resign on the rook"
this is what my German edition tells !

For some good games worked into the text there are "The Dragon Variation"
and "The Tower Struck by Lightning."

these are books which you recommend ?

OK, the above 2 knight's defence is not (I think) the game after which the
book was tailored. The longest WCh game where black won was
Janowsky-Lasker(8),1910 . But they exchanged both rooks early.

I wonder what she meant with "international world-champion level competition".
If it were a world championship, then she probably wouldn't say :
"international world-champion level competition".


thanks also for the other posted games. But none of these is satisfactory.
Also, I think that the black queen was probably captured or exchanged
shortly before the protected black pawn threatened to queen.


Guenter

"Sterten" wrote in message
...
"Sterten" wrote in message
...
sorry, I have no more info about the game.
This is from the novel "the eight" by K.Neville ,
where the action of the novel is apparantly
emulated by that chessgame.
So, maybe you get some more clues by reading the book,
but I doubt it.

Alternatively, can someone send me the games
of the candiates tournaments in ASCII ,
so I can write a program to check for these conditions ?

Bob Musicant answered:

As implied by one of the other answers in this thread, there would be no
reason to expect that Neville would necessarily have used a Candidates'
game
as the model for one in her book. Her chess knowledge was not
impressive.

She read some autobiographies of chess masters.
According to the review in the St. Paul Pioneer Press-Dispatch, the Game
in The

Eight is based on a real chess game which was played in a world
championship.
Katherine Neville won't tell people which game it is, but she says she
"chose
one that had the most moves in it and tailored the plot to that game. If
you
understand chess, you can figure out what game it is, what grand master
played
it and in what year."

Neville:
"Clue: it was a game used in international world-champion level
competition, in

which a black pawn, protected by a knight (Solarin) and a rook (Nim)
approaches

the queening square, and white concedes."

Was this presented as a an actual game in the novel, or does she relate the
actions of the human characters to the game?