(PsyberZombie) wrote in message . com...
(GM Susan Polgar) wrote in message
. com...
(to Nick Bourbaki):
Thank you. I will no longer respond on this person's postings.
It is always sad to see such behavior. I have seen some of the malicious
postings falsely attacking Paul, Yasser and other chess advocates too.
On the other hand, I am glad to see posters like you.
Best wishes,
GM Susan Polgar

It's Bad Enough when Cave·Dood haranges and wastes the Time of those of us
with nothing Better to do...but i guess it's even a BIGGER Thrill when he
can distract a World·Class Genius like Ms Polgar
Have you No Shame, Cave·Dood ??

GM Susan Polgar has just written that she will no longer write any posts here.

Here are some excerpts from the RGCP thread, "Marshall Meeting":

On 22 October 2003, GM Susan Polgar wrote:
"This is very unfortunate. Lies are told and people believe them....
Mr. (Stan) Booz, GM Seirawan was not pleased with your remarks and style.
He has said so. I am not either. If you truly care about the USCF and the
future of chess, please kindly stop attacking people who are trying to do
good for the game. You have stated many incorrect and damaging statements
in this forum about a number of individuals including myself. What's done is
done. I am asking you nicely now to please stop insulting and attacking
GM Seirawan, Paul Truong or myself, directly or indirectly. Thank you."

Then Stan Booz ("StanB") wrote to GM Susan Polgar:

"...I don't particularyly give a damn what you or he (GM Yasser Seirawan) like
or don't like. He showed his colors years ago. Your colors are coming out now.
What I see is a silly person trying Sam Sloan-like tricks to put words in my
mouth. I haven't had anything to say about Yassir since so stop making up
stories. Stop hiding behind Yassir. Which statement damages you? Let me
say that the truth may be damaging but very permissible in this country.

As to Paul (Truong), he is a piece of **** and I'll say what I want whenever
I want about him. If you want to associate with the little worm, that's your
business but don't try to intimidate me with your distortions of the facts.
I am not so stupid nor are the readers here so easily taken in by your childish
ploys. I go easy on you because I do not think you write this. I sense that
Paul has access to your machine and writes this in your name....

Perhaps your English is not so good as you think. Here's my advice: Stick
with chess and stop trying to attract my attention. I am not impressed by
chess celebrities. I find them for the most part to be petty, self-important
and boorish. StanB"

Then GM Susan Polgar wrote to Stan Booz:
"You are quite a man with words. Thanks for your valuable contributions
to US Chess. You are truly a role model for our children."

(Clearly, GM Susan Polgar's reply to Stan Booz was intended as sarcasm.)

Then GM Susan Polgar wrote to John Lamont (evidently about Stan Booz):
"...Unfortunately, there are always a few lunatics in every bunch.
Therefore, I will follow Yasser out of this forum. *This will be the last
time that I will post in this forum.* ...I will continue to be a role model to
kids and courteous to all people alike. However, I cannot and will no longer
subject myself to this sort of trash in this forum. It is quite shocking for
me that some people can behave this way. This is not what I am used to and
I want no part of this sort of nonsense."

Here are some posts relating to the background of the dispute between
GM Susan Polgar and Stan Booz:

In the thread, "Susan Polgar" (9 September 2003), Stan Booz wrote:
"You don't really think she (GM Susan Polgar) wrote that do you?
She doesn't go to the bathroom without Paul's (Truong's) permission."

In the thread, "9-11" (11 September 2003), GM Susan Polgar wrote:
"Yes, I can speak on my own behalf in regard to my chess career and many other
topics, contrary to the statement by Mr. SBooz....Not only I can speak on my
own behalf, I can do it in 6-7 different languages. It is amazing that people
who know nothing about me can make statements about me like that and thinks
they know about my life better than me."

In the thread, "9-11" (12 September 2003), Stan Booz wrote to GM Susan Polgar:
"In this country you are judged by the company you keep."

In the thread, "Tim Hanke is Attacking Zsuzsa Polgar" (1 October 2003),
GM Susan Polgar wrote: "...Sam (Sloan) is correct in stating that no one
controls me. I have a group of trusted friends who advise me on various
issues. Ultimately, the decision is mine."

The reader may form his or her own judgment from that evidence.

'The crime of having been maligned unjustly.'
--Samuel Butler (Erewhon)

--Nick

GM Susan Polgar has just written that she will no longer write any posts
here.

That's too bad, because it's always nice to have the perspective of someone
in the front lines of GM chess.

Susan was treated rudely here, and it's her choice to leave. She'll be
missed. It should be noted, however, that just because Susan is a GM (and a
woman) doesn't mean she should be treated any differently than anyone else
in here. Everyone is treated rudely, everyone is dissed. This is a rough
place, filled with venal, brainless people who often resort to obscenity
because they have nothing else to offer. We have a handful of true crazies
here in as well, nutcases who 20 years ago would have been hanging out in
shopping malls in dirty clothes, smelling of urine and muttering loudly to
themselves.

You have to really WANT to hang out in here, and if you can't stand the
heat, then by all means, leave the kitchen. But don't expect the kitchen to
get remodeled anytime soon!

TMB

...Everyone is treated rudely, everyone is dissed.

Why?

"The Masked Bishop" wrote in message
y.com...
Nick wrote:
GM Susan Polgar has just written that she will no longer write any
posts here.

That's too bad, because it's always nice to have the perspective of
someone in the front lines of GM chess.
Susan was treated rudely here, and it's her choice to leave. She'll be missed.

How often has that been said only after someone has gone?

It should be noted, however, that just because Susan is a GM (and a woman)
doesn't mean she should be treated any differently than anyone else in here.

In April 2003, GM Mikhail Golubev wrote some critical posts here about the war
in Iraq, for which he was personally attacked by some Americans (such as Stan
Booz and Tim Hanke) who passionately supported the United States's invasion.
As far as I know, GM Mikhail Golubev has not written any more posts here.

In the thread, "A new enemy of Lev Khariton" (17 April 2003),
GM Mikhail Golubev wrote to one of his American critics, Matt Nemmers:
"Compared to Kasparov, I am player of no caliber at all, but I can't see that
Kasparov is almost the only GM who comments on Iraq publickly, while his
position in eyes of many of his colleagues is very close to be pro-fascist.
That's also why I found it possible to express my foolish political views."

In the same thread, "A new enemy of Lev Khariton" (16 April 2003),
Simon Spivack ('Chapman billy') wrote:
"I do not agree with much that GM Golubev writes on the Iraq crisis.
Feelings are raw, and when there is emotion, much that should be left
unsaid is uttered....What I do say is that we do not have enough players
of GM Golubev's calibre contributing to this group, they should be treated
with greater respect to encourage their participation."

Then in that same thread, Simon Spivack ('Chapman billy') wrote:
"I am not claiming that any one person's opinion is necessarily more valuable
than another, merely that there are not enough players of IM+ strenth posting,
and thus a little consideration may help address this."

Everyone is treated rudely, everyone is dissed. This is a rough place,
filled with venal, brainless people who often resort to obscenity because
they have nothing else to offer. We have a handful of true crazies here in
as well, nutcases who 20 years ago would have been hanging out in shopping
malls in dirty clothes, smelling of urine and muttering loudly to themselves.

Evidently, even 'a little consideration' is too much to ask for or to expect
from too many writers here. These chess newsgroups (particularly RGCP) seem
to behave according to an analogue of Gresham's Law (Bad money tends to drive
good money out of circulation.): Abusive writers tend to drive away thoughtful
writers. By doing that, only the abusive writers 'win'--everyone else loses.

Queen Gertrude: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
--William Shakespeare (Hamlet)

--Nick

Because no one has to worry about getting their nose busted on the internet.

"The Modern Caveman" wrote in message
...
...Everyone is treated rudely, everyone is dissed.

Why?

Evidently, even 'a little consideration' is too much to ask for or to
expect
from too many writers here. Abusive writers tend to drive away thoughtful
writers.

Yes, this is all true, and acting like it shouldn't be says you need to find
somewhere else to post. I'm sorry, but the departure of Susan Polgar and
Mikahil Golubev is just not breaking my heart. This is a rough bar...the
tenderfoots can go down the road to the teahouse. People wander in here all
the time, post some high-minded (and usually scolding) diatribe on the
characters and topics here, and then start screaming OH MY GOD THE FLAMES
when a few of those characters lance them like a boil. A few stick around to
liberally pour gasoline on the fires they have started, others storm out. If
you think that RCGP should be remade into some kind of courtesy klatch,
allowing issue trolls like Lev Khariton to come on here and expound on
politicial issues that have nothing to do with chess, without being told to
**** off, then you are still in Kansas, Dorothy. Won't happen, moose out
front should have told you.

What I do say is that we do not have enough players
of GM Golubev's calibre contributing to this group, they should be treated
with greater respect to encourage their participation."

Utter hogwash. The guy sees mates in five, so he's better than anyone else?
His opinions on chess politics carry more weight? If anything, he should be
roasted even more than most people, because it's GMs like him who hold a big
chunk of culpability for the sorry shape organized chess is in today.
Opportunistic greedbags, who'd play skittles on the freshly-dead corpse of
their mother if Kirzhan guaranteed them a prize fund.

TMB

Because no one has to worry about getting their nose busted on the
internet.

In today's litigious society, I don't think anyone worries about that
anywhere. You bust a nose, you get sued, and end up handing over a large
chunk of your weekly paycheck to the bustee for the next five years. It's
not like the good old days, when men were men, and settled things outside...

GM Susan Polgar has just written that she will no longer write any posts here.

Sad to hear that.

EZoto

The Masked Bishop wrote (2003-10-27 20:08:02 PST):

... the departure of Susan Polgar and Mikahil
Golubev is just not breaking my heart. ...

_
The notes of Susan Polgar and Mikahil Golubev did
not seem to me to have much in common.

"The Masked Bishop" wrote in message
y.com...
Nick wrote:
Evidently, even 'a little consideration' is too much to ask for
or to expect from too many writers here....
Abusive writers tend to drive away thoughtful writers....

Yes, this is all true, and acting like it shouldn't be says you need
to find somewhere else to post.

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" is not one of my principles.

I'm sorry, but the departure of Susan Polgar and Mikahil Golubev is
just not breaking my heart.

I suspect that some (perhaps many American) readers here may prefer to read
whatever someone such as Stan Booz writes, on any subject of his choice, than
to read whatever GM Susan Polgar or GM Mikhail Golubev might have had to write
about chess.

This is a rough bar...the tenderfoots can go down the road to the teahouse.
People wander in here all the time, post some high-minded (and usually
scolding) diatribe on the characters and topics here, and then start
screaming OH MY GOD THE FLAMES when a few of those characters lance them like
a boil. A few stick around to liberally pour gasoline on the fires they have
started, others storm out. If you think that RCGP should be remade into some
kind of courtesy klatch, allowing issue trolls like Lev Khariton to come on
here and expound on politicial issues that have nothing to do with chess,

Yet is it all right for Kasparov to "expound on political issues that have
nothing to do with chess"?

without being told to **** off, then you are still in Kansas, Dorothy.

Is there a famous wizard in Australia? :-)

Won't happen, moose out front should have told you.

"We have met the enemy and he is us."
--attributed to 'The Best of Pogo'

Simon Spivack ('Chapman billy') wrote (16 April 2003):
"What I do say is that we do not have enough players of GM Golubev's
calibre contributing to this group, they should be treated with greater
respect to encourage their participation."

Utter hogwash. The guy sees mates in five, so he's better than anyone else?
His opinions on chess politics carry more weight?

"The Masked Bishop" completely snipped what I quoted from Simon Spivack he
"I am not claiming that any one person's opinion is necessarily more valuable
than another, merely that there are not enough players of IM+ strength posting,
and thus a little consideration may help address this."

I concur with Simon Spivack on this point. Evidently, "The Masked Bishop"
would feel more at home if ('if'?) these chess newsgroups were dominated by
some ignorant trolls who enjoy writing lying personal attacks about as often
as they can.

If anything, he should be roasted even more than most people, because it's
GMs like him who hold a big chunk of culpability for the sorry shape
organized chess is in today. Opportunistic greedbags, who'd play skittles
on the freshly-dead corpse of their mother if Kirzhan guaranteed them a
prize fund.

"Because it's GMs like him"? Has "The Masked Bishop" ever met GM Mikhail
Golubev? "Opportunistic greedbags...(snipped offensive generalisation)"?
Evidently, "The Masked Bishop" has not known a sufficiently diverse number
of GMs, which is not to say that most of those GMs would have been pleased
to make the acquaintance of "The Masked Bishop".

'Man is arrogant in proportion to his ignorance.'
--Edward George Earle Bulwer-Lytton (Zanoni)

--Nick