"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" is not one of my principles.

"There he goes, up to his room, to write that hit song 'Alone in my
principles."

From "That Thing You Do." NOT by Bulwer-Lytton.

TMB

The Masked Bishop wrote:
Evidently, even 'a little consideration' is too much to ask for or to

expect
from too many writers here. Abusive writers tend to drive away thoughtful
writers.

Yes, this is all true, and acting like it shouldn't be says you need to find
somewhere else to post. I'm sorry, but the departure of Susan Polgar and
Mikahil Golubev is just not breaking my heart. This is a rough bar...the
tenderfoots can go down the road to the teahouse. People wander in here all
the time, post some high-minded (and usually scolding) diatribe on the
characters and topics here, and then start screaming OH MY GOD THE FLAMES
when a few of those characters lance them like a boil. A few stick around to
liberally pour gasoline on the fires they have started, others storm out. If
you think that RCGP should be remade into some kind of courtesy klatch,
allowing issue trolls like Lev Khariton to come on here and expound on
politicial issues that have nothing to do with chess, without being told to
**** off, then you are still in Kansas, Dorothy. Won't happen, moose out
front should have told you.


What I do say is that we do not have enough players

of GM Golubev's calibre contributing to this group, they should be treated
with greater respect to encourage their participation."

Utter hogwash. The guy sees mates in five, so he's better than anyone else?
His opinions on chess politics carry more weight? If anything, he should be
roasted even more than most people, because it's GMs like him who hold a big
chunk of culpability for the sorry shape organized chess is in today.
Opportunistic greedbags, who'd play skittles on the freshly-dead corpse of
their mother if Kirzhan guaranteed them a prize fund.

TMB


I suspect that there are many people who would like to enjoy chess chat
in a peaceful, well-mannered fashion. Unfortunately, any place on the
internet is a target for foul-mouthed bullies who would like everyone to
play by *their* rules.

Don't misunderstand: some of the wise-cracks and good-natured flameouts
add considerable pleasure to usenet. It's the motiveless malignancy I
would prefer to do without.

John

It's the motiveless malignancy I
would prefer to do without.

As would we all. But the usenet is not the place for civilized chat.
Anonymity and no costs bring out the worst in people.



TMB

LIKING SUSAN POLGAR A LOT

By Larry Parr

I like Susan a lot, but to say she's on the front lines when she hasn't
played a tournament game since 1995 is, well, not accurate. -- John Fernandez

Just as John "take my urine, please" Fernandez claimed to be a buddy
and to like GM Alex Sherzer, so he now claims to like GM Susan Polgar a lot.

Ms. Polgar had better never find herself falsely accused of anything
because Mr. Fernandez, as he did with GM Sherzer, will be nipping at her
throat.

That's our kid.

Nick wrote:

"The Masked Bishop" wrote in message
y.com...
Nick wrote:
Evidently, even 'a little consideration' is too much to ask for
or to expect from too many writers here....
Abusive writers tend to drive away thoughtful writers....

Yes, this is all true, and acting like it shouldn't be says you need
to find somewhere else to post.

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" is not one of my principles.

I'm sorry, but the departure of Susan Polgar and Mikahil Golubev is
just not breaking my heart.

I suspect that some (perhaps many American) readers here may prefer to read
whatever someone such as Stan Booz writes, on any subject of his choice, than
to read whatever GM Susan Polgar or GM Mikhail Golubev might have had to write
about chess.

snip

Oh! come now Nick, not all the readers are Yankee doodles & I'm sure
they too pick up on StanB's pithy wit. You're simply in a huff because
there aren't any GM's around for you to suck up to & arse-lick..

In article ,
says...
It's the motiveless malignancy I
would prefer to do without.

As would we all. But the usenet is not the place for civilized chat.
Anonymity and no costs bring out the worst in people.



TMB


That is why a good newsreader with features like "ignore thread" and
"bozo bin" comes in handy. If Polgar had something like that, I believe
she would still be here posting.

Marty

Nick wrote:

I concur with Simon Spivack on this point. Evidently, "The Masked Bishop"
would feel more at home if ('if'?) these chess newsgroups were dominated by
some ignorant trolls who enjoy writing lying personal attacks about as often
as they can.

I think it's called "the worst it is, the best".

I, for me, was enjoying the proximity of GM Susan Polgar. Being able to
talk in a public forum with someone that has done so much is a pleasant
experience. Most of the role models cannot be reached so easily, if at
all, and having an oportunity to exchange ideas with one such person is
almost as an unique experience (I don't live at USA or Europe, and have
no hope to meet any of the big boys and girls of today chess).

Seeing such a good person being trashed and bad mouthed by such inferior
form of life (trolls are an inferior form of life in internet - and in
middle earth too), to the point she prefers to left it was a sorry
experience.

I understand the necessity of some people to hate everyone that has DONE
something - it's called "inferiority felling" -, but when it reach the
point that you must ask them "don't you have any decency" you know that
everything is trashed here... The channel is more poor now. Everybody
lost. When trolls and flamewarriors wins, there's no winners...

Sorry the "engrish", and the flame...
--
Cesar A. K. Grossmann

"Cesar A. K. Grossmann" wrote in message
...

snip

I, for me, was enjoying the proximity of GM Susan Polgar. Being able to
talk in a public forum with someone that has done so much is a pleasant
experience.

I also appreciated that she posted to the group, and was pleasantly
surprised that she did so. Apparently, I missed most of the nonsense that
drove her away, since I have many posters on my block list.

Matt

Maybe John Fernandez is Stan B! Makes sense doesn't it? I'm gonna
miss Susan posting here. I remember Paul Troung from long ago and we
were all on the wild side almost teenagers we were. He's an alright
guy. He's not perfect but he is cool. I know I have posted things I
wish I could have taken back but there are some here who couldn't care
less what they say or who they hurt. I like reading here in this
group but you have to take the good with the bad in here.

EZoto

michael adams wrote in
message ...
Nick wrote:
"The Masked Bishop" wrote in message
y.com...
Nick wrote:
Evidently, even 'a little consideration' is too much to ask for
or to expect from too many writers here....
Abusive writers tend to drive away thoughtful writers....

Yes, this is all true, and acting like it shouldn't be says you need
to find somewhere else to post.

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" is not one of my principles.

I'm sorry, but the departure of Susan Polgar and Mikahil Golubev is
just not breaking my heart.

I suspect that some (perhaps many American) readers here may prefer to read
whatever someone such as Stan Booz writes, on any subject of his choice,
than to read whatever GM Susan Polgar or GM Mikhail Golubev might have had
to write about chess.
(snipped)

Oh! come now Nick, not all the readers are Yankee doodles & I'm sure they
too pick up on StanB's pithy wit.

Actually, I have no doubt that some non-American readers (e.g. Michael Adams)
may admire Stan Booz's characteristic vulgarity and occasional racist comments.

You're simply in a huff because there aren't any GM's around for you
to suck up to & arse-lick.

On the contrary, I have written some critical comments here with respect to
the extent of GM Susan Polgar's responsibilities for her book, "Queen of the
King's Game", and her negotiating position(s) toward her (never played) past
world championship rematch with GM Xie Jun. Some of my writings here already
have demonstrated that I do not regard any grandmaster (including such popular
idols as Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov) as above all possible criticisms.

'Your criticism sounds more sincere than your admiration.'
--George Bernard Shaw (The Irrational Knot)

--Nick