I was watching a game at a local rapidplay congress, anyway, this guy
pushed his WHITE pawn for promotion but picked up a BLACK queen and
replaced the pawn on the 8th rank, could black then have moved the
queen and claimed it as his own ? (he just re-took it with a rook)

What a lovely gift.

(jonnywildboar) wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:

I was watching a game at a local rapidplay congress, anyway, this guy
pushed his WHITE pawn for promotion but picked up a BLACK queen and
replaced the pawn on the 8th rank, could black then have moved the
queen and claimed it as his own ? (he just re-took it with a rook)

The promotion move cost white the game immediately, as it's illegal:

FIDE Laws of Chess:

3.7.e When a pawn reaches the rank furthest from its starting position it
must be exchanged as part of the same move for a queen, rook, bishop or
knight **of the same colour**. The player's choice is not restricted to
pieces that have been captured previously. This exchange of a pawn for
another piece is called 'promotion' and the effect of the new piece is
immediate.


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(jonnywildboar) wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:

I was watching a game at a local rapidplay congress, anyway, this guy
pushed his WHITE pawn for promotion but picked up a BLACK queen and
replaced the pawn on the 8th rank, could black then have moved the
queen and claimed it as his own ? (he just re-took it with a rook)

The promotion move cost white the game immediately, as it's illegal:

FIDE Laws of Chess:

3.7.e When a pawn reaches the rank furthest from its starting position it
must be exchanged as part of the same move for a queen, rook, bishop or
knight **of the same colour**. The player's choice is not restricted to
pieces that have been captured previously. This exchange of a pawn for
another piece is called 'promotion' and the effect of the new piece is
immediate.


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Wellington: "By God, sir, so you have!"


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Its great to see chess people have a sense of fun, and are not dullards.

(jonnywildboar) wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:


Its great to see chess people have a sense of fun, and are not
dullards.


It's great to see people asking questions they don't want answers to.

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"jonnywildboar" wrote in message
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I was watching a game at a local rapidplay congress, anyway, this guy
pushed his WHITE pawn for promotion but picked up a BLACK queen and
replaced the pawn on the 8th rank, could black then have moved the
queen and claimed it as his own ? (he just re-took it with a rook)

What a lovely gift.

No, but it would've been funny.

I think it was Blackburne who did something similar in the late 19th/early
20th century:

He was playing someone and losing (Blackburne had a habit of drinking
whiskey while playing, or so I've heard) and, seeing his position was
hopeless, he pushed his black pawn to the eighth rank and promoted it to a
white queen. His opponent immediately captured it, but Blackburne stopped
him, pointing out that it was illegal for him to caputre his own piece.
Flustered, his opponent blundered a piece and then immediately resigned. It
got some laughs from the kibitzers.

That's probably not exactly how it happened, but I'm sure the good Dr. Blair
can shed some light on the facts.



Regards,

Matt

Matt Nemmers wrote:
I think it was Blackburne who did something similar in the late
19th/early 20th century:
[...]
That's probably not exactly how it happened, but I'm sure the good
Dr. Blair can shed some light on the facts.

Another story came into my mind on this, don't know who/when/where or if
it's true, but it was an endgame with only kings and one pawn each, and the
pawns were racing on opposite wings. The player realized that he was the
slower one (or was it just a mistake?) and moved his white pawn from h4 to
h3! The opponent reacted in line and moved his pawn from a6 to a5, and was
wondering why all of a sudden he was losing...

jonnywildboar wrote:

I was watching a game at a local rapidplay congress, anyway, this guy
pushed his WHITE pawn for promotion but picked up a BLACK queen and
replaced the pawn on the 8th rank, could black then have moved the
queen and claimed it as his own ? (he just re-took it with a rook)


While not quite the same, you may find the following extract from the 1920
BCM obituary of Daniel C Griffith (the founder of the now defunct Hampstead
Chess Club and a co-founder of Athenaeum Chess Club ) amusing.

'Habitues of the Old Crosby Hall at luncheon, or later of the Ship and
Turtle, will not easily forget his happy smile as a particularly fine trap
secured a win in an apparently lost situation. One one occasion, against a
player very intent on his attack on one side of the board, he Queened a
Pawn on the other, to lose it to a Rook. A spectator silently handed it him
back under the table. The Pawn was again Queened, and yet a third time, the
unsuspecting opponent blandly taking it off each time, far too intent on
his attack to detect the deception, which caused much laughter among the
onlookers.

'Mr. Griffith retained much of his chess powers to the end, and was
representing Hampstead as late as 1918. But it was his innate courtesy and
good temper which brought him such a host of friends. A good loser, he
never showed any elation at winning, and always put the success of the club
before his own.

'In his early days he played frequently with Steinitz and Zukertort, and was
a great admirer of J.H. Blackburne, whose services at a blindfold or
peripatetic display he frequently advocated to the members.'


One of the principals of Hampstead was obliging enough to let me see this.


Regards,


Simon.

black queen is legal!

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