michael adams wrote in message ...

Perhaps the more relevant area is whether
Steinitz's theories actually superseded
Morphy's style of play..

'gards - micky..

What would an answer, one way or the other, mean?

Be it as it is, indeed, here are the reactions
to the best games by these two guys and their pals:


to Morphy and Capablanca: how elegant!

to Zukertort: how beautiful! how magical!

to Rubinstein: how profound! how harmonious!

to Steinitz: he had shown his superior
understanding of the closed positions


Regards,

Wlod

chapman Billy wrote:

Bob Musicant wrote:

Simon,
I fear at this point you are only encouraging him. I am out of here. I
regret whatever part I played in giving him a forum to spew his filth.
Bob

Dear Bob,

You are quite right. There are a few people who may have been partially
taken in by this anti-Semite, initially I, too, tried to give him the
benefit of the doubt, I hope that I have persuaded some of the doubters as
to the true nature of this individual.

Regards,

Simon.

Dear Bob & Simon,

Well you haven't persuaded anyone as far as I can see, as to any
Teuschen 'expectorations'. Anyone for spitoons? - Yegods! what fat,
unsavoury, whimpy maggots, English manhood have become..

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote:

michael adams wrote in message ...

Perhaps the more relevant area is whether
Steinitz's theories actually superseded
Morphy's style of play..

'gards - micky..

What would an answer, one way or the other, mean?

Be it as it is, indeed, here are the reactions
to the best games by these two guys and their pals:

to Morphy and Capablanca: how elegant!

to Zukertort: how beautiful! how magical!

to Rubinstein: how profound! how harmonious!

to Steinitz: he had shown his superior
understanding of the closed positions

Regards,

Wlod

Oh, yes yes, quite Wlod! indeedy, you see in all your examples you
defray (!'s) - exclamation marks, to all Masters carefully excluding our
man Stienitz from any such graphic accolade. This means to me, somehow
you are reserving 'The Stien.' for special treatment. Well by all means
lead on. What did this man do that Morphy never did in a trice & there I
think you need not 'feel' compelled to answer..

Nonsense. When I see a post titled:

Being a Jew and a Liar

How many of these have we seen? Quite a few I am sure.

then I see an antiSemitic author.

This is the issue isn't it? Is he an anti-semitic author or not?
There is a big difference between criticism and anti-semitism. It is
time to stop playing the anti-semite card and start seeing for what it
is. As crazy as it may seem you have some here that don't see Fischer
as anti-semitic. He is of course.

EZoto

(Rolf Tueschen) wrote in message ...
(Nick) wrote:


(Wlodzimierz Holsztynski) wrote in message
.com...(to Greg Kennedy):
NoMoreBrain illspam (NoMoreBrain)
wrote in message
...
Some people just don't get it.

Look, NoMoreBrain, the words "Jew and a liar" are on rgmc repeated by now
in
the TITLE of 81 articles in just one thread. Also in other threads on
other
newsgroups, which also have nothing to do with politics, Israel, Jews, ...

Dear Wlod,

I concur that the title, "Being a Jew and a Liar", is prima facie evidence of
anti-Semitism by that thread's creator, Rolf Tueschen. Unfortunately,
creating
troll threads with offensive titles such as "X is a Liar" is nothing new
here.
(I have been the personal target of such threads created by several trolls.)

Yeah, it doesn't take much brain to spill hate propaganda.
Enough of that racist vomit.

You should expect to be disappointed if you were hoping to engage
"NoMoreBrain"
(as you call him) in a rational discussion. Greg Kennedy (aka "NoMoreChess")
seems well-known here as an inveterate troll, whose main interest in writing
is "trolling for a flame war" (to quote John Macnab, whom Greg Kennedy kept
calling "Mr. McBad") by making reiterated personal attacks full of his
characteristic distortions, fabrications, or lies.

PS. If we had here an "objective criticism" (read: hate propaganda)
of Portugal, Turkish, Pakistani, Italian... whatever government,
on this chess group, people woulod consider it odd, inappropriate, sick.
But antiSemitism is so spread, so common, so international, that any sick
idiot can indulge himself in "criticizing Jews objectively", and a bunch
of idiots would humor him, even on a chess group. Sick.

If you are contending that there's a *unique* universal acceptance of "hate
propaganda" against Jews that would not be tolerated if expressed against any

other people, then I should have to disagree with you. I have heard ample
"hate propaganda" directed against *many* peoples, not only Jews, and the
worst of that "hate propaganda" has usually *not* been directed against Jews.

For example, I have heard some Europeans, who profess to admire Jews or to be
of Jewish heritage themselves, speak in fiercely racist ways of the 'urgent
need' to 'cleanse' their societies by 'eliminating' all Gypsies (who seem
perceived as about subhuman) from them. When among Americans, I have been
more likely to hear "hate propaganda" directed against all Muslims than that
directed against all Jews, and I have been much less likely to hear anyone
else speak out in defence of those Muslims than in defence of those Jews.


If you had so many good thoughts in your brain than prejudices you would
understand why the mentioned thread could NOT be initiated by the motivation to
create something about Anti-Semitism or spreading hatred against any particular
nation. You miss completely what No-nore-chess has understood right from the
beginning of that thread.

The main scandal is that an Israeli lies and officials in a private forum
defend and justify him. And the private forum is hosted by the biggest chess
store in the USA.

Can't you see what that means? It is as if a Jew had extra rights to lie
because of the Holocaust. [This is what very few here in rgcm are saying. As
there are Simon aka billy Chapman and now Wlod....] In special he can call
every German a 'Nazi *******'. That is in nuce the scandal. For Israel and the
Jews NOT for a German! So you can ask yourself why I am involved here.

I wished it had something distant to do with trolling. It has NOT-
unfortunately!

a) because I am a German and want to support anti-semitism?

b) because I am a computerchess friend and suffer from such excudings of a
young Israeli computerchess programmer who already has created his own program
called GENESIS and who wants to participate in the Wch in Graz?

c) because I am in favor of the Jews and suffer because they claim such an
incredible moral - as if they had extra rights in the World because of the
Holocaust?

Honestly, do you still believe in a)?? - Of course both b) and c) is the
correct answer.


Rolf

Why, then, did your subject heading *not* read, as an alternative
example:

"OT: Being a liar"?

This would, at least, have removed the stench of anti-Semitism from
the thread.

I abhor US-sponsored Zionism as much as *any other form of racism*. If
you were to refrain from posting biased subject headings, maybe your
posts would not be so immediately repulsive (which is to say:
repulsive *before one has read any more than the subject heading*).

Mark

michael adams wrote in message ...

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote:

michael adams wrote in message ...

Perhaps the more relevant area is whether
Steinitz's theories actually superseded
Morphy's style of play..

'gards - micky..

What would an answer, one way or the other, mean?

Be it as it is, indeed, here are the reactions
to the best games by these two guys and their pals:

to Morphy and Capablanca: how elegant!

to Zukertort: how beautiful! how magical!

to Rubinstein: how profound! how harmonious!

to Steinitz: he had shown his superior
understanding of the closed positions

Regards,

Wlod

Oh, yes yes, quite Wlod! indeedy, you see in all your examples you
defray (!'s) - exclamation marks, to all Masters carefully excluding our
man Stienitz from any such graphic accolade. This means to me, somehow
you are reserving 'The Stien.' for special treatment. Well by all means
lead on. What did this man do that Morphy never did in a trice & there I
think you need not 'feel' compelled to answer..

Michael, I feel compelled to smile. Here you go :-)

Regards,

Wlod

EZoto wrote:

Nonsense. When I see a post titled:

Being a Jew and a Liar

How many of these have we seen? Quite a few I am sure.

then I see an antiSemitic author.

This is the issue isn't it? Is he an anti-semitic author or not?
There is a big difference between criticism and anti-semitism. It is
time to stop playing the anti-semite card and start seeing for what it
is. As crazy as it may seem you have some here that don't see Fischer
as anti-semitic. He is of course.

EZoto

Dear Ezeroto,

It's entirely agreeable to have the 'anti-semite card' laid out here on
the table, here at rgcm. What a concept! Can you shuffle etc.? It is
also entirely probable that Fischer is not the demonised rascist he's
made out to be. Perhaps Jewish people should take the Popes advice & not
involve themselves with chess..

(Mark Houlsby) wrote:

Why, then, did your subject heading *not* read, as an alternative
example:

"OT: Being a liar"?

This would, at least, have removed the stench of anti-Semitism from
the thread.

Easy one. Because I am not a liar nor a hypocrite. I was telling the truth
about Omid David Tabibi. That's all. And - please try to read my lips - because
Omid is the resident propaganda liar in that private forum of ICDchess for the
military politics of Israel's Sharon.

I admit, I could also have written 'Israeli'. The reason why I didn't do it is
the following.

Since Omid does always claim the Holocaust as a justification for all his
lying, I call him a Jew. Since it is about Jews when we are talking about the
Holocaust. I don't get what you are talking about when you read any kind of
Anti-Semitism in my Header 'Being a Jew and a Liar'. The reason why I didn't
include Omid's name in the header is that he always does as if he is speaking
for the Jewish cause in general.

I know that it is incredibly stupid that he says that the Jews /Israelis had
the right to lie but that is exactly what he's saying.

Proof:

I explained that Moellemann, the late German politician was NOT a Nazi, nor a
Nazi *******. But that didn't matter. Neither Omid nor Amir Ban nor the
officials in that private forum (of ICDchess) were impressed.

They accused me of having insulted Omid in return, although I had only
characterized him for what he was. A liar. Again - although I was right with my
correction, I was attacked because I had called a Jew a liar. For Anti-Semitism
and such. Also Omid reacted and took my message as offense.

QED - because that means that his lie didn't interest neither him nor the
officials. But if the lie of a Jew is not interesting then that means that a
Jew is allowed to lie at will. - QED

Now ask me if you cannot follow my explanation. I will explain all questions.

I can only say this for the moment:

The reaction of calling a critic Anti-Semite, if he had proven that a Jew told
outright lies, is a very disgusting propaganda trick. It is really depressing
how many people here in rgcm used that trick. It is dirty and intellectually
dishonest. Because a lie is a lie. And a Jew has no right to misuse the history
of the Holocaust for his unethical goals. Period.

Rolf

It's entirely agreeable to have the 'anti-semite card' laid out here on
the table, here at rgcm. What a concept! Can you shuffle etc.? It is
also entirely probable that Fischer is not the demonised rascist he's
made out to be. Perhaps Jewish people should take the Popes advice & not
involve themselves with chess..

Fischer's problem is he didn't grow up. So now he blames everyone
except himself. Fischer is a racist. He doesn't like Jews. Period.
Is he a demon? No.

EZoto

EZoto wrote:

It's entirely agreeable to have the 'anti-semite card' laid out here on
the table, here at rgcm. What a concept! Can you shuffle etc.? It is
also entirely probable that Fischer is not the demonised rascist he's
made out to be. Perhaps Jewish people should take the Popes advice & not
involve themselves with chess..

Fischer's problem is he didn't grow up. So now he blames everyone
except himself. Fischer is a racist. He doesn't like Jews. Period.
Is he a demon? No.

EZoto

Look Ezoto, you & I both agree Fischer is no demon, ok? Don't you think
it a trifle supercillious to accuse him of immaturity?..