..
Mr. Tuschen has, once again, demonstrated clear superiority over his
dimwitted oponents, the many ad hominists referred to in the title of this
thread, who are unwittingly repeating the very same blunder Mr. Tuschen has
outlined.

Next week, these same imbeciles will probably be having a discussion about
I.Q. tests, and how "meaningless" it is that they all scored above 150.







Omid is the resident propaganda liar in that private forum of ICDchess for
the military politics of Israel's Sharon.


So, the politics of Israel's Sharon are fair game in ICD's (chess) forum?
Oops -- I forgot, that his "being a Jew and a liar," makes any neutral
observation regarding off-topic postings automatically convert into
anti-semitism!
Nevermind the rights of Arabs, which are being trampled over by these Jews,
who try to hog all the "semitism" in the whole world for only themselves. Try
that with any other attribute, like say, having a big nose. Would it be fair
for Jews to claim all the big noses in the entire world for themselves? Of
course not! Even a child can see this. Yet precious few can grok -- er,
grasp -- that the attempt to warp anti-Jew bigotry into simple racism by
ignoring the fact that Arabs are also semitic is off-track, like arguing "to
the person."

(Rolf Tueschen) wrote in message ...
(Mark Houlsby) wrote:

Why, then, did your subject heading *not* read, as an alternative
example:

"OT: Being a liar"?

This would, at least, have removed the stench of anti-Semitism from
the thread.

Easy one. Because I am not a liar nor a hypocrite. I was telling the truth
about Omid David Tabibi. That's all.

My point, which perhaps you have missed, is this: by choosing *that
particular subject heading* very many folks who are not at all aware
of politics *would not read your message because of its subject
heading*.

Mark

(Nick) wrote in message . com...
(Wlodzimierz Holsztynski) wrote in message
. com...(to Greg Kennedy):
NoMoreBrain illspam (NoMoreBrain)
wrote in message ...
Some people just don't get it.

Look, NoMoreBrain, the words "Jew and a liar" are on rgmc repeated by now in
the TITLE of 81 articles in just one thread. Also in other threads on other
newsgroups, which also have nothing to do with politics, Israel, Jews, ...

Dear Wlod,

I concur that the title, "Being a Jew and a Liar", is prima facie evidence of
anti-Semitism by that thread's creator, Rolf Tueschen. Unfortunately, creating
troll threads with offensive titles such as "X is a Liar" is nothing new here.
(I have been the personal target of such threads created by several trolls.)

Yeah, it doesn't take much brain to spill hate propaganda.
Enough of that racist vomit.

snip


PS. If we had here an "objective criticism" (read: hate propaganda)
of Portugal, Turkish, Pakistani, Italian... whatever government,
on this chess group, people woulod consider it odd, inappropriate, sick.
But antiSemitism is so spread, so common, so international, that any sick
idiot can indulge himself in "criticizing Jews objectively", and a bunch
of idiots would humor him, even on a chess group. Sick.

If you are contending that there's a *unique* universal acceptance of "hate
propaganda" against Jews that would not be tolerated if expressed against any
other people, then I should have to disagree with you. I have heard ample
"hate propaganda" directed against *many* peoples, not only Jews, and the
worst of that "hate propaganda" has usually *not* been directed against Jews.


For example, I have heard some Europeans, who profess to admire Jews or to be
of Jewish heritage themselves, speak in fiercely racist ways of the 'urgent
need' to 'cleanse' their societies by 'eliminating' all Gypsies (who seem
perceived as about subhuman) from them.



But the Anti-Gypsie sentiments are held mainly in Europe.
Anti-Jewish sentiments are held across the globe, from Japan to France
and Germany, from Indonesia to Russia.

I'm afraid that your anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much.

Anti-Semitism and racism against Blacks are the only bigotries that
can reasonably be termed "universal". Even so, few people claim that a
secret cabal of Blacks control the world, etc...Anti-Semitism is
clearly a unique phenomenon, when one takes into account the aggregate
of its attributes.


When among Americans, I have been
more likely to hear "hate propaganda" directed against all Muslims than that
directed against all Jews, and I have been much less likely to hear anyone
else speak out in defence of those Muslims than in defence of those Jews.

In the US, Jews are more likely to be the victim of hate crimes
than are Muslims. More over, Muslims are FAR more likely to perpetrate
hate crimes against Jews, than vice versa.

One only needs to look at France to see who is hating whom. Or,
you can attend a few lectures from "scholars" in "Middle Eastern
Studies", given at your local University.

Perhaps fewer people speak out in defense of Muslims because the
actions of Muslims are more difficult to defend.

Besides, in another thread, you implied that if the majority of
people (or countries) harbor anti-Israeli and Anti-Semitic sentiments,
that there must be some legitimate reason for it.

Americans identify with Jews and Israelis because they are the
targets of the same type of violence (suicide terrorism).

Many Muslims seek to wreak distruction upon American civilians,
and celebrate every act of terrorism. Jews do not commit acts of
terror against the US, and they grieve when Americans are victimized

Morever, it is Muslims who are committing far more atrocities,
oppressing far more people, and engaging in far more violence (on a
global scale) than Jews.

As the the former Prime Minister of Malaysia noted, in his
Antis-Semitic diatribe, there are only a few million Jews, yet there
are 1.3 billion Muslims.

Muslims are now in blood conflict against Jews, Christians, Hindus,
Buddhists, Zoroasterians, etc...Not to mention all of the sectarian
violence that occurs within Islam.

Finally, Americans note that people like you are willing to
whitewash all of the transgressions that occur in the Muslim and Arab
world--the oppression of women, the theocracies, the cruel Islamic
laws, the Pan-Arab Fascism, the wars on nearly all borders of
Islamdom, the terrorism that is projected worldwide....
all because you fetishize the issue of the Palestians. Since there are
legions of folks just like you, and Americans tend to support the
underdog, it is no surprise that Americans will tend to abhor the
baseless and barbarous bigotries that are directed at Jews.

My advice to the Palestinians would be that they stop handing out
candy in celebration, upon hearing news of more heinous Islamic
terrorism.



'Nothing is more common than for persons to hate those whom they have injured.'
--Charlotte Lennox (Sophia)

--Nick

michael adams wrote in message ...

Look Ezoto, you & I both agree Fischer is no demon, ok?

On the other hand, it's kinda scary.

Wlod

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote:

michael adams wrote in message ...

Look Ezoto, you & I both agree Fischer is no demon, ok?

On the other hand, it's kinda scary.

Wlod

*

Was Boris scared Wlod? (not Karloff)..

(Rolf Tueschen) wrote in message ...
You're not only paranoid but also a psychopath, just like the mentioned lying
Jewish *******.

The reason why I put this topic (A Jew and a liar) on rgcm is very simple.

The private forum, where the mentioned psychopath Omid David is spreading his
evil propaganda, is hosted by the biggest chess store in the USA, named
ICDchess.

If the OR is correct, then this is a scandal, that a late German former
Minister can be insulted as 'Nazi *******', but the propaganda liar in return
is NOT allowed to be called a 'lying Jewish *******'.

The two usages are NOT equivalent. If this Omid had said "lying
**German** *******, you might have an argument (although you would
still be a troll). However, "Nazi *******" insults the "late German
Minister" because of his politics, NOT because of his race or
ethnicity. While most Nazis were German, it is by no means the case
that all were. Indeed, Hitler was Austrian.

Hope this helps you but i doubt ir because a psychopath like you can't be
persuaded with facts. He just follows his own agenda.

Know what I mean?

Come out of the closet and tell us what you have to fear, perhaps I can help
you. But stop spreading ridiculous lies about my intentions. I am NO
Anti-Semite. And the whole topic is NOT off-topic because Omid David is a young
computerchess expert who wants to participate in the coming Wch in Graz. He's
NOT a creation of someone's fantasy.

Rolf

michael adams wrote in message
...

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote:

michael adams wrote in message ...

Look Ezoto, you & I both agree Fischer is no demon, ok?

On the other hand, it's kinda scary.

Wlod

*

Was Boris scared Wlod? (not Karloff)..

Bobby and Boris feel comfortable one with another.

Fischer's great intellectual ability goes way
beyond chess.

It is scary that such a wonderful mind can
degenerate so bad.

And yes, at the end of their second match
Boris was scared enough to lose the last
game in a coffee house style. But no, he
was not scared of Bobby, only of the gangster
sponsors of the match, who decided that the
match was long enough, that they don't want
to lose money on more games of that indefinitely
long match.

Spassky is cool and has a great sense of humor
(he fooled some participants of rgcm too :-)

Regards,

Wlod

Dear Readers, I don't know who is writing this stuff , or why, however...

Dear Wlod,

I concur that the title, "Being a Jew and a Liar", is prima facie
evidence of
anti-Semitism


I am not a Jew, I am a Celt.
I have told lies.
Therefore I am a Celt and a Liar.

That is a logical statement of the result of combining two phrases, right?

Is it not possible that Jewish people have told lies? Or is it not
permissable to say so?

I think what is sensibly meant by 'anti-semitism' should not be confused and
indeed diminished by such trite objections as are made here.

Phil Innes

"Phil Innes" wrote in message .. .
Dear Readers, I don't know who is writing this stuff , or why, however...

Dear Wlod,

I concur that the title, "Being a Jew and a Liar", is prima facie
evidence of
anti-Semitism


I am not a Jew, I am a Celt.
I have told lies.
Therefore I am a Celt and a Liar.

That is a logical statement of the result of combining two phrases, right?

Is it not possible that Jewish people have told lies? Or is it not
permissable to say so?


Indeed it is neither possible nor permissable, and that is the point.
pro-Israeli propaganda is necessarily true. Anti-Israeli propaganda is
necessarily false. Anyone who disagrees is anti-Semitic. It's
perfectly acceptable to make wild claims about the inherent "goodness"
of Israel *without* substantiating the same. It's perfectly
acceptable, too, to make wild claims about the inherent evil of
Palestinians, whose soldiers hide behind perambulators, while gallant
Israeli soldiers protect their infants. Haven't you been following the
thread(s): "Middle East"?

Do keep up, old boy, what, what?

I think what is sensibly meant by 'anti-semitism' should not be confused and
indeed diminished by such trite objections as are made here.


You are in a minority.

Phil Innes

Mark Houlsby

"Mark Houlsby" wrote in message
om...
"Phil Innes" wrote in message
.. .
Dear Readers, I don't know who is writing this stuff , or why,
however...

Dear Wlod,

I concur that the title, "Being a Jew and a Liar", is prima facie
evidence of
anti-Semitism


I am not a Jew, I am a Celt.
I have told lies.
Therefore I am a Celt and a Liar.

That is a logical statement of the result of combining two phrases,
right?

Is it not possible that Jewish people have told lies? Or is it not
permissable to say so?


Indeed it is neither possible nor permissable, and that is the point.
pro-Israeli propaganda is necessarily true.

Wait! What is this 'propaganda'? I am not saying any propaganda. I didn't
offer you to freely associate on what I wrote. If you choose to do so, then
I suppose you are free to do so, but you waste my time.

Anti-Israeli propaganda is
necessarily false. Anyone who disagrees is anti-Semitic. It's
perfectly acceptable to make wild claims about the inherent "goodness"
of Israel *without* substantiating the same. It's perfectly
acceptable, too, to make wild claims about the inherent evil of
Palestinians, whose soldiers hide behind perambulators, while gallant
Israeli soldiers protect their infants. Haven't you been following the
thread(s): "Middle East"?

Do keep up, old boy, what, what?

What indeed?

I think what is sensibly meant by 'anti-semitism' should not be confused
and
indeed diminished by such trite objections as are made here.


You are in a minority.

Ah! This is a popularity contest!

Phil Innes

Phil Innes

Mark Houlsby