I want to know how you judge this.

In a private forum a Jewish chess programmer (Omid David) always writes hate
propaganda pro Israel and against Arafat and his Palestinians. Nothing wrong
with that IMO, what would you expect from an Israeli?

But his lies go so far that he for example calls a late German politician, a
former Vice Chancellor of Germany, Juergen W. Moellemann from Muenster, a "Nazi
*******"!

When I read it I couldn't believe my eyes. Moellemann well criticised the
policy of Sharon but he never was a whatever Nazi! Nor a Neo-Nazi. Nor an
anti-Semite.

So, when I read that Nazi-******* insult (Jewish Propaganda) I tried to teach
the guy a lesson from psychology. I turned around the insult and directed it
against himself.

I called Omid David, the brave Israeli, a Jewish ******* and because he had
spread lies about an honest German politician, who is dead BTW, I added the
adjective "lying", so that the whole expression was 'lying Jewish *******'.

After this hell broke lose.

I was defamed as an Anti-Semite.

What do you, from the international community, think about the expression? Is
it impossible to characterize a Jew who's lying as a lying *******? Just
because I am a German I should not be allowed to speak the truth? And if
someone speaks the truth about a Jewish liar, is he therefore an Anti-Semite???

Not that i needed advice. I am old enough to know how to deal with a liar. But
I would be interested in your opinion how you think about a German who calls a
Jewish liar a 'lying Jewish *******'. Is it forbidden because of the Holocaust?


Rolf

"what would you expect from an Israeli?"
and "Jewish propaganda"
are two phrases that hopefully do not show your best side.

Calling someone a "lying Jewish *******" is offensive to Jews because
it uses two derogatory words "lying" and "*******" with a neutral word
"Jewish." Almost any neutral word that is inserted between "lying"
and "*******" becomes an insult, such as "lying German *******" "lying
Irish *******" "lying Italian *******" or "lying Hindu *******."

Next time simply call him "a lying *******" and you'll see better
results.




On 06 Nov 2003 18:54:57 GMT, (Rolf Tueschen) wrote:

I want to know how you judge this.

In a private forum a Jewish chess programmer (Omid David) always writes hate
propaganda pro Israel and against Arafat and his Palestinians. Nothing wrong
with that IMO, what would you expect from an Israeli?

But his lies go so far that he for example calls a late German politician, a
former Vice Chancellor of Germany, Juergen W. Moellemann from Muenster, a "Nazi
*******"!

When I read it I couldn't believe my eyes. Moellemann well criticised the
policy of Sharon but he never was a whatever Nazi! Nor a Neo-Nazi. Nor an
anti-Semite.

So, when I read that Nazi-******* insult (Jewish Propaganda) I tried to teach
the guy a lesson from psychology. I turned around the insult and directed it
against himself.

I called Omid David, the brave Israeli, a Jewish ******* and because he had
spread lies about an honest German politician, who is dead BTW, I added the
adjective "lying", so that the whole expression was 'lying Jewish *******'.

After this hell broke lose.

I was defamed as an Anti-Semite.

What do you, from the international community, think about the expression? Is
it impossible to characterize a Jew who's lying as a lying *******? Just
because I am a German I should not be allowed to speak the truth? And if
someone speaks the truth about a Jewish liar, is he therefore an Anti-Semite???

Not that i needed advice. I am old enough to know how to deal with a liar. But
I would be interested in your opinion how you think about a German who calls a
Jewish liar a 'lying Jewish *******'. Is it forbidden because of the Holocaust?


Rolf

(Rolf Tueschen) wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:


Not that i needed advice.

Yes you do. But you really mean "not that _want_ advice".

I am old enough to know how to deal with a
liar.

You should be old enough to deal with your petty problems in an
appropriate newsgroup.



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(Rolf Tueschen) wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:

(Rolf Tueschen) wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:


Not that i needed advice.

Yes you do. But you really mean "not that _want_ advice".

I am old enough to know how to deal with a
liar.

You should be old enough to deal with your petty problems in an
appropriate newsgroup.



--
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Rolf Tueschen wrote:
I want to know how you judge this.

In a private forum a Jewish chess programmer (Omid David) always writes hate
propaganda pro Israel and against Arafat and his Palestinians. Nothing wrong
with that IMO, what would you expect from an Israeli?

But his lies go so far that he for example calls a late German politician, a
former Vice Chancellor of Germany, Juergen W. Moellemann from Muenster, a "Nazi
*******"!

When I read it I couldn't believe my eyes. Moellemann well criticised the
policy of Sharon but he never was a whatever Nazi! Nor a Neo-Nazi. Nor an
anti-Semite.

So, when I read that Nazi-******* insult (Jewish Propaganda) I tried to teach
the guy a lesson from psychology. I turned around the insult and directed it
against himself.

I called Omid David, the brave Israeli, a Jewish ******* and because he had
spread lies about an honest German politician, who is dead BTW, I added the
adjective "lying", so that the whole expression was 'lying Jewish *******'.

After this hell broke lose.

I was defamed as an Anti-Semite.

What do you, from the international community, think about the expression? Is
it impossible to characterize a Jew who's lying as a lying *******? Just
because I am a German I should not be allowed to speak the truth? And if
someone speaks the truth about a Jewish liar, is he therefore an Anti-Semite???

Not that i needed advice. I am old enough to know how to deal with a liar. But
I would be interested in your opinion how you think about a German who calls a
Jewish liar a 'lying Jewish *******'. Is it forbidden because of the Holocaust?


Rolf

As a German, you should have known what your nation willingly did to
Jews. 99% of Germans repented of that horrible action. You probably
belong to the 1% that long for Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Goebbels,
Borman & Co. return.

As for "anti-Palestinian" - prove any statement that was made by
Israelis on this issue that hasn't been true so far.
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Email: http://www.nasa.proj.ac.il
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weather forecasters.
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I want to know how you judge this.

In a private forum a Jewish chess programmer (Omid David) always writes
hate
propaganda pro Israel and against Arafat and his Palestinians. Nothing
wrong
with that IMO, what would you expect from an Israeli?

But his lies go so far that he for example calls a late German
politician, a
former Vice Chancellor of Germany, Juergen W. Moellemann from Muenster,
a "Nazi
*******"!

When I read it I couldn't believe my eyes. Moellemann well criticised
the
policy of Sharon but he never was a whatever Nazi! Nor a Neo-Nazi. Nor
an
anti-Semite.

So, when I read that Nazi-******* insult (Jewish Propaganda) I tried to
teach
the guy a lesson from psychology. I turned around the insult and
directed it
against himself.

I called Omid David, the brave Israeli, a Jewish ******* and because he
had
spread lies about an honest German politician, who is dead BTW, I added
the
adjective "lying", so that the whole expression was 'lying Jewish
*******'.

After this hell broke lose.

I was defamed as an Anti-Semite.

What do you, from the international community, think about the
expression? Is
it impossible to characterize a Jew who's lying as a lying *******? Just
because I am a German I should not be allowed to speak the truth? And if
someone speaks the truth about a Jewish liar, is he therefore an
Anti-Semite???

Not that i needed advice. I am old enough to know how to deal with a
liar. But
I would be interested in your opinion how you think about a German who
calls a
Jewish liar a 'lying Jewish *******'. Is it forbidden because of the
Holocaust?


Rolf

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Being a Jew and a Liar
From: Elijah )
Date Posted: 11/6/2003 1:13:00 PM

"what would you expect from an Israeli?"
and "Jewish propaganda"
are two phrases that hopefully do not show your best side.

Calling someone a "lying Jewish *******" is offensive to Jews because
it uses two derogatory words "lying" and "*******" with a neutral word
"Jewish." Almost any neutral word that is inserted between "lying"
and "*******" becomes an insult, such as "lying German *******" "lying
Irish *******" "lying Italian *******" or "lying Hindu *******."

Next time simply call him "a lying *******" and you'll see better
results.




On 06 Nov 2003 18:54:57 GMT, (Rolf Tueschen)
wrote:

I want to know how you judge this.

In a private forum a Jewish chess programmer (Omid David) always writes
hate
propaganda pro Israel and against Arafat and his Palestinians. Nothing
wrong
with that IMO, what would you expect from an Israeli?

But his lies go so far that he for example calls a late German
politician, a
former Vice Chancellor of Germany, Juergen W. Moellemann from Muenster,
a "Nazi
*******"!

When I read it I couldn't believe my eyes. Moellemann well criticised
the
policy of Sharon but he never was a whatever Nazi! Nor a Neo-Nazi. Nor
an
anti-Semite.

So, when I read that Nazi-******* insult (Jewish Propaganda) I tried to
teach
the guy a lesson from psychology. I turned around the insult and
directed it
against himself.

I called Omid David, the brave Israeli, a Jewish ******* and because he
had
spread lies about an honest German politician, who is dead BTW, I added
the
adjective "lying", so that the whole expression was 'lying Jewish
*******'.

After this hell broke lose.

I was defamed as an Anti-Semite.

What do you, from the international community, think about the
expression? Is
it impossible to characterize a Jew who's lying as a lying *******


..

..

Next time simply call him "a lying *******" and you'll see better
results.


In reality, a lying propagandist will probably respond in *precisely* the
same manner even if one of the descriptive terms is dropped. See for example,
Rolf's many exchanges with lying propagandist Larry Parr.



The point is not that he takes offense at being labelled a Jewish lying
*******, but that he must symbolically "assassinate" his critic via ad hominem.
The alternative, arguing that he is neither a liar nor a *******, is not an
option for the lying *******s of the world, you see. Hence, he is left with
the ad hominem defense (or counter-attack, rather). This defense has the
undeniable advantage of "changing the subject" (to some aspect of the critic),
in addition to avoiding the issue of the propagandist's lies.




"what would you expect from an Israeli?"
and "Jewish propaganda"
are two phrases that hopefully do not show your best side.


"Jewish" propaganda is simply propaganda which is pro-jewish in nature. For
example, I could list all the greatest chessplayers of history and point out
numerous examples of "jewish" world champions. Of course, being a "jewish"
propagandist, I would include every half-jew as though he were 100% jewish. I
might even go so far as to include players who are not, and never were, jewish
-- against their will! Were I an anti-jew propagandist, I would do the exact
reverse: excluding all half-jews from my list! That's the advantage of
propaganda: you can shape and mold it to taste, with no silly restrictions
which "arbitrarily" exclude such things as lies and statistics!




I would be interested in your opinion how you think about
a German who calls a Jewish liar a 'lying Jewish *******'.


Why "*******"? Had he no legal father? Why not just stick to the facts: he
is a liar and a propagandist, which is quite sufficient!



Is it forbidden because of the Holocaust?


What holocaust? ;-)

Elijah wrote:

"what would you expect from an Israeli?"
and "Jewish propaganda"
are two phrases that hopefully do not show your best side.

It's my view. In that group I never read anything thoughtful from an Israeli,
it's always about "several ways to kill Arafat or to throw him out or to
eliminate the whole Palestinians at once" - I beg your pardon, but I can't
tolerate such inhuman propaganda.

I don't know how you learned to argue but I call things for what they are.
Racist propaganda from Israelis get the label "Jewish propaganda". If I could
read something thoughtful from an Israeli I would react otherwise but even as a
German I canot invent sophistication that isn't there. Of course I know that
there are many Israelis who are in favor og peace and against the military
policy of Sharon. But in that particular forum you can't find that position.




Calling someone a "lying Jewish *******" is offensive to Jews because
it uses two derogatory words "lying" and "*******" with a neutral word
"Jewish."

Yes, I knew that but do you think that "Nazi *******" is better? Please read
more carefully why I had used that expression. Or do you think it doesn't make
sense to teach an Israeli about the evil of lying? Excuse my being harsh, but
you sounded a bit arrogant IMO.



Almost any neutral word that is inserted between "lying"
and "*******" becomes an insult, such as "lying German *******" "lying
Irish *******" "lying Italian *******" or "lying Hindu *******."

Yes, but then you think that 'Nazi *******' to a German is quite normal? And
more so if it's an intentional lie? An intentional propaganda lie? - Not in my
books.




Next time simply call him "a lying *******" and you'll see better
results.

You mean that if I use "Jewish" then the lying is of not so big importance and
the attack against Jews becomes the main topic? - Again, not in my books. As I
said, I used the combination 'lying Jewish *******' to the resident propaganda
liar from Israel in that forum. It was the direct opposite because the
politician wasn't a Nazi nor a Nazi ******* logically.

NB I once asked the same person if an Israeli could be _wrong_ dealing with
Palestinians and the whole topic. I still wait for an answer. - The point is,
that I can't give you a complete picture of the situation, because this is
happening for over a year now. But what I told you is an authentic part, a
representative sample so to speak.

Thanks for the answer. Please tell me if you see something new right now.

Rolf

illspam (NoMoreChess) wrote:

Next time simply call him "a lying *******" and you'll see better
results.


In reality, a lying propagandist will probably respond in *precisely* the
same manner even if one of the descriptive terms is dropped. See for
example,
Rolf's many exchanges with lying propagandist Larry Parr.



The point is not that he takes offense at being labelled a Jewish lying
*******, but that he must symbolically "assassinate" his critic via ad
hominem.
The alternative, arguing that he is neither a liar nor a *******, is not an
option for the lying *******s of the world, you see. Hence, he is left with
the ad hominem defense (or counter-attack, rather). This defense has the
undeniable advantage of "changing the subject" (to some aspect of the
critic),
in addition to avoiding the issue of the propagandist's lies.

You made my day! Thank you! You are a real genius! You are the only one up to
now who has seen this. Nobody else even searched for a hidden cause, that I
could have pursued. Thanks so much.

With Larry it was another Magic Bullet. Larry told me that I came into great
difficulties (of Anti-Semitism and such) while I was just quoting one of the
highest American Jews and experts of the Holocaust, but Larry insisted and
attacked _me_; in reality he attacked his own countryman!. That I did it as a
foreigner and not native English speaker was a sensation IMO, having in mind
Larry's outstanding lingual mastership that already took the life out of many
guys here around.









"what would you expect from an Israeli?"
and "Jewish propaganda"
are two phrases that hopefully do not show your best side.


"Jewish" propaganda is simply propaganda which is pro-jewish in nature.
For
example, I could list all the greatest chessplayers of history and point out
numerous examples of "jewish" world champions. Of course, being a "jewish"
propagandist, I would include every half-jew as though he were 100% jewish.
I
might even go so far as to include players who are not, and never were,
jewish
-- against their will! Were I an anti-jew propagandist, I would do the exact
reverse: excluding all half-jews from my list! That's the advantage of
propaganda: you can shape and mold it to taste, with no silly restrictions
which "arbitrarily" exclude such things as lies and statistics!




I would be interested in your opinion how you think about
a German who calls a Jewish liar a 'lying Jewish *******'.


Why "*******"? Had he no legal father? Why not just stick to the facts:
he
is a liar and a propagandist, which is quite sufficient!

That would have been one ice answer. But don't expect too much from such a
propaganda mainac who's always in a hurry. You know, I had to implement
'*******' to veil the puzzle more difficult that the
item 'Jewish' was the seduction, the trap, speaking in terms of chess, just to
be a little bit on topic here.

And our Israeli is a famous newcomer who wants to participate in the coming
computerchess Wch in Graz.

Before I forget it, let me tell you this little joke from computerchess. I had
set a second trap, not to overlook. I told the guy I would come to Graz and
then I wanted to make his PC run slower, just with my strong will power as a
German [!].

You already know the result? Hell again broke lose! Because I had threatened an
Israeli. People admitted that it wasn't a direct murder attempt, they called it
'veiled threat' in the moderation email I got!

You see? Am I now in a better or worse position than Jerry?

You know, Kafka and such...

Rolf




Is it forbidden because of the Holocaust?


What holocaust? ;-)

I do not think such epithets, apply to you at all Rolf.
But I am certain "nazi *******' is way better than 'jew *******' because:
Not all jews are *******s but all nazi are complicit in mass murder.
One phrase links disgusting traits with a percieved race, while the
other links disgusting traits with a political idea that deserves no
thought at all.
there are innocent jews. would you argue the case for innocent nazis? i
doubt it.

Rolf Tueschen wrote:

Elijah wrote:


"what would you expect from an Israeli?"
and "Jewish propaganda"
are two phrases that hopefully do not show your best side.


It's my view. In that group I never read anything thoughtful from an Israeli,
it's always about "several ways to kill Arafat or to throw him out or to
eliminate the whole Palestinians at once" - I beg your pardon, but I can't
tolerate such inhuman propaganda.

I don't know how you learned to argue but I call things for what they are.
Racist propaganda from Israelis get the label "Jewish propaganda". If I could
read something thoughtful from an Israeli I would react otherwise but even as a
German I canot invent sophistication that isn't there. Of course I know that
there are many Israelis who are in favor og peace and against the military
policy of Sharon. But in that particular forum you can't find that position.




Calling someone a "lying Jewish *******" is offensive to Jews because
it uses two derogatory words "lying" and "*******" with a neutral word
"Jewish."


Yes, I knew that but do you think that "Nazi *******" is better? Please read
more carefully why I had used that expression. Or do you think it doesn't make
sense to teach an Israeli about the evil of lying? Excuse my being harsh, but
you sounded a bit arrogant IMO.




Almost any neutral word that is inserted between "lying"
and "*******" becomes an insult, such as "lying German *******" "lying
Irish *******" "lying Italian *******" or "lying Hindu *******."


Yes, but then you think that 'Nazi *******' to a German is quite normal? And
more so if it's an intentional lie? An intentional propaganda lie? - Not in my
books.




Next time simply call him "a lying *******" and you'll see better
results.


You mean that if I use "Jewish" then the lying is of not so big importance and
the attack against Jews becomes the main topic? - Again, not in my books. As I
said, I used the combination 'lying Jewish *******' to the resident propaganda
liar from Israel in that forum. It was the direct opposite because the
politician wasn't a Nazi nor a Nazi ******* logically.

NB I once asked the same person if an Israeli could be _wrong_ dealing with
Palestinians and the whole topic. I still wait for an answer. - The point is,
that I can't give you a complete picture of the situation, because this is
happening for over a year now. But what I told you is an authentic part, a
representative sample so to speak.

Thanks for the answer. Please tell me if you see something new right now.

Rolf