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Aryeh Davidoff:
Yesterday I received the following text from Lev Khariton: Recently my attention was drawn by the thread "Kasparov, God's Son?!" authored by my associate Mr.Davidoff", namely by his phrase "...Born from a Jewish father and an Armenian mother, he changed his name from Weinstein to Kasparov ..." Mr.Davidoff's non-committal phrase caused a burst of outrage in Mr.Holsztynski posting. Here I allow myself to quote him: "This is a lie. Kasparov didn't change his name.The Soviet authorities did, when he was a child,because they didn't want to deal with another World Chess Champion who had a Jewish name. This inhuman Soviet act had to traumatize a child, who lost his father at a tender age,it had to have a profound, difficult impact on his psychology, on his character, it taught him ugly things about the society and power. I agree with Mr.Holsztynski in one respect. Really, changing his name taught the young chess player many ugly things about the society and power, something that we witness in him today. Maybe, I would not comment on Mr.Holsztynsky's words, if I did not in the past correspond with him and I have all the respect for his talented pen and outstanding mind.However, it should be stated with ample clarity that the Soviet authorities did not display any initiative in changing Garik's family name. The idea came from inside the family, namely from his mother (who seems to be a member of his team even when he plays with computer programs!), Garik's great teacher Mikhail Botvinnik and his first coach Alexander Nikitin. The convincing testimony of what accompanied the episode "Garik changing his name" can be found in Nikitin's book "Kasparov" (Echecs Payot, 1994). I bought the French edition of this book in Paris about 8 years ago, and this what I found at pages 28-29.I will cite the French text and give my rough-and-ready translation: "Ce petit tournoi des jeunes sociйtaires du Spartak prйsenta la particularitй d'etre la derniиre compйtition disputйe par Garri Vainstein. Les gens changent de nationalitй, les sportifs de club, mais ses camarades de classe, lorsqu'ils reprirent les cours вpres les vacances d'йtй, apprirent que " leur " Garik portait dйsormais le nom de famille de Kasparov. Changer le nom est un processus dйlicat. Frйquent chez les femmes, ils se produit rarement chez les hommes, et gйnйralement parce qu'ils u sont contraints et forcйs. C'est la mиre de Garik quit dut se charger pratiquement seule de toutes les dйmarches pour faire aboutir les formalitйs juridiques. Elle est surtout la lourde tache de convaincre tous ses parents et ses proches du bien-fondй de cette dйcision. Et Klara dut endurer bien des heures de souffrances, verser bien des larmes вpres les conversations avec la famille de son mari depuis longtemps disparu. Le grand-pиre tant aime, Lйonide Moissevitch, en fut particuliиrement affecte. " C'est absolument necessaire,Liona, essayais-je de le convaincre.Personne ne le laissera oublier son pere. " Liona se taisait en nous regardant d'un air comprйhensif mais sombre. Il savait qu'un au plus tфt, avec l'accord de Botvinnik, j'avais commencй l'offensive auprиs de la mиre de Garri afin de la convaincre de la nйcessitй pour son fils de changer son nom. Il prendrais celui de la mиre, qu'elle avait d'ailleurs gardй вpres son mariage. Des le dйbut, j "n'ai jamais doute de l'avenir brillant qui attendait le garзon. Pour avoir travaille au Comitй des sports, je savais quelles indescriptibles difficultйs, indйpendantes des йchecs, allaient se dresser devant ce jeune homme au "mauvais" nom de famille tout au long de l'eclosion de son talent, particuliиrement lorsqu'il arriverait au seuil du haut niveau. A cette etape-la on peut encore freiner, votre briser la carriиre de quelqu'un sans attirer beaucoup l'attention ni susciter trop de discussions. Le temps poussait prйcisйment Garik ver le seuil. Il fallait se hвter tant que ses succиs n'interessaient que ses proches et que d'autres noms de joueurs йmaillaient les pages des journaux. Nous faillоmes bien laisser йchapper le bon moment. Des novembre, le garзon remportait la coupe seniors de Bakou en surclassant tous les maоtres. Quelque deux mois plus tard, Garri Kasparov devenait le plus jeune champion juniors de toute l'histoire des йchec soviйtiques. On commenзa a parler de cette etoile montante dans les mйdias. Les amateurs d'echecs du monde entier s'habituerent trиs vite a ce nom sans savoir eu connaissance des dйtails de l'affaire. La vie s'est chargйe de confirmer que mes craintes eteaient fondйes et que cette dйcision difficile s'imposait. ON a beaucoup parle depuis de l'antisemitisme qui sйvissait chez nous, tout particuliиrement dans les antichambres du pouvoir. Je suis convaincu que Garri Vainstein ne serait jamais parvenu jusqu'au match pour le titre de champion du monde contre Anatoli Karpov, ni en 1984, ni en 1987. On lui aurait brise les reins en cours de route. Pour ces affaires-la, le systиme soviйtique йtait trиs au point. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (English translation) "This small team tournament of the Spartak club was the last one in which a player named Garri Veinsten participated. People change their nationality, sportsmen change their clubs, but Garik's class-mates as soon as they were back to school after summer vacations, learned that "their" Garik from now on had another family name: Kasparov. Changing one's family name is a complicated procedure. Women do that more often, while men resort to it quite seldom and that happens when generally they are obliged to do so. It was Garik's mother who was practically in charge of all legal procedures to change her son's family name. What was most burdensome, she faced the difficult task of convincing all the relatives and close friends of the necessity of this decision. Klara had to take many hours of suffering, she had to shed tears after the conversations with her late husband's family, her husband who had passed away quite a long while before. Garik's grandfather, the most beloved of the family, Leonid Moissevich, was particularly affected by the change of his grandson's family name. "This is absolutely necessary, Liona, - I was trying to convince him. - No one will allow Garik to forget his father". Liona was silent looking at us with understanding but gloomy eyes. He knew that some time before I had, with the advice of Botvinnik, made steps to convince Garik's mother of the necessity for her son to change his family name.He was to take his mother' family name which she had kept even after her marriage.From the very start I never doubted that a brilliant future was awaiting the boy. Working in the Sports Committee I knew what insurmountable difficulties were awaiting the young chess player with a "bad" name: his talent could be buried before he could to top level. And at his stage of chess development it was still easy to stop his progress and break up his career without attracting too much attention. However, Time was pushing Garik to the very top. It was necessary to speed up his progress before the names of other young players filled up the pages of chess magazines.. We could not allow ourseves to lose the right moment.In nOvember he won the Cup of Baku, and two months later he became World Junior Champion, the youngest Soviet Junior Champion.The media started mentioning the rising chess star. Chess fans all over the world were getting used to this name without knowing the details of the "changing name" story. . Life proved that my fears were well rounded and this difficult decision was necessary. There was much talk about anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union,especially in the corridors of power. I am convinced that Garri Veinstein would have never played a match for the world title against Anatoly Karpov, neither in 1984 nor in 1987.He would have been stopped in the middle of the road. The Soviet system knew how to it very well." Sorry; Mr.Nikitin, I am sure that Garri would have played a match with Karpov anyway, whether being Veinstein or Kasparov. True, Jews were discriminated in many ways in the Soviet Union. Under Stalin they were deported and killed. But Jewish chess players were always enjoying the position of the elite in Soviet society. Did anyone prevent Botvinnik from becoming World Champion. What about such great Jewish players as Bronstein and Tal? Do you want more names? Boleslavsky, Geller, Stein to mention only few... From the very outset you were teaching Kasparov how to change names, friends, principles. How to destroy! Finally he destroyed FIDE and the World championship cycle, today with his matches versus computers he destroys the image of the great game. Suffice it to play over the moves of his match with Fritz. Did anyone like the 4th game of the match? Or Kasparov's blunder in the 2nd game? Or the computer's apparently weak play (I would not give more than 1900 Elo!) in the 3rd game? But it all started a long time ago, when you, Botvinnik and Garri's mother changed his name.... |
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You just don't go around changing orphans' names.
Botvinnik could had been concerned with Garik's Ruy Lopez but the "bright" idea of unJewing Gary's name was born in a Soviet KGB-propaganda bureaucratic head, that's how they were progressing in their careers, that's how they were important. Once this "wonderful" idea was conceived they went to Botvinnik. They didn't have to "crack" Botvinnik. They simply had assured Biotvinnik that the young boy will have no future under his Weinstein name. Thus, under these ugly circumstances, Botvinnik did what he considered the best for Gary. He had explained the situation to gary's mother. But no, it was certaqinly not a scenario created by Botvinnik. Why? Till then Jewish players were managing to progress as chess players. The things changed to the worse when Spasski lost to Fischer and the Rssian hope, Karpov, showed up. He almost succeeded in cancellation of the Smyslov's and Kasparov's candidate matches. (Aryeh Davidoff) wrote in message . com... (Wlodzimierz Holsztynski) wrote in message . com... (Aryeh Davidoff) wrote in message . com... Aryeh Davidoff: Yesterday I received the following text from Lev Khariton: [...] Mr.Nikitin, [...] you, Botvinnik and Garri's mother changed his name.... It makes no sense. Why suddenly Michail Moiseyevich Botvinnik would would be concerned with such an issue on his own, why would he suggest or insist that Garrik's name would be changed to a non-Jewish name? Knowing the Soviet ways it is obvious that the decision was made elsewhere, that Botvinnik was only informed about it and used to smooth the whole thing. He was something like a consultant to Garrik's mother. I suppose that he told her: Klara, have some common sense, don't fight them, it's not worth it. (I don't know much about Nikitin, but most likely he was just a pawn in this game, a pawn in someone's hard hand). There is simply no way that Botvinnik would initiate such an improper act, offending the memory of the dead Gary's father, victimiziing a man after his death. After all, didn't Botvinnik have a lot of other, more natural things to think about? How could it occur to him? Someone had to tell him: hey, Michail Moisejevich, you are a good man, why don't you help this somewhat awkward case, show them "light". Regards, Wlod [...] When almost all Soviet grandmasters signed the notoriousletter against Korchnoi in 1976 after his defection to the West, Botvinnik did not sugn this letter. Thus we see that Botvinnik was not likely to initiate changing Gary's name to another (to a nonJewish name). Most importantly, if you believe that the idea to change Garik's family name came to someone in high places, the question is whe Brezhnev? [...] Don't be silly, don't make the discussion for both of us. Soviets had people who indeed had nothing better to do then to be busy with propafganda, etc. (For instance Soviets went to a great length to make sure that their first man in cosmos was a "pure bred Russian", that his background was workers/kolhozniks, rather than inteligencja, etc). Aryeh Davidoff Wlod PS. It's years since Botvinnik is dead. It is not nice to make up ugly stories about him just to put down Kasparov. |
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(Wlodzimierz Holsztynski) wrote in message . com...
You just don't go around changing orphans' names. Botvinnik could had been concerned with Garik's Ruy Lopez but the "bright" idea of unJewing Gary's name was born in a Soviet KGB-propaganda bureaucratic head, that's how they were progressing in their careers, that's how they were important. Once this "wonderful" idea was conceived they went to Botvinnik. They didn't have to "crack" Botvinnik. They simply had assured Biotvinnik that the young boy will have no future under his Weinstein name. Thus, under these ugly circumstances, Botvinnik did what he considered the best for Gary. He had explained the situation to gary's mother. But no, it was certaqinly not a scenario created by Botvinnik. Why? Till then Jewish players were managing to progress as chess players. The things changed to the worse when Spasski lost to Fischer and the Rssian hope, Karpov, showed up. He almost succeeded in cancellation of the Smyslov's and Kasparov's candidate matches. (Aryeh Davidoff) wrote in message . com... (Wlodzimierz Holsztynski) wrote in message . com... (Aryeh Davidoff) wrote in message . com... Aryeh Davidoff: Yesterday I received the following text from Lev Khariton: [...] Mr.Nikitin, [...] you, Botvinnik and Garri's mother changed his name.... It makes no sense. Why suddenly Michail Moiseyevich Botvinnik would would be concerned with such an issue on his own, why would he suggest or insist that Garrik's name would be changed to a non-Jewish name? Knowing the Soviet ways it is obvious that the decision was made elsewhere, that Botvinnik was only informed about it and used to smooth the whole thing. He was something like a consultant to Garrik's mother. I suppose that he told her: Klara, have some common sense, don't fight them, it's not worth it. (I don't know much about Nikitin, but most likely he was just a pawn in this game, a pawn in someone's hard hand). There is simply no way that Botvinnik would initiate such an improper act, offending the memory of the dead Gary's father, victimiziing a man after his death. After all, didn't Botvinnik have a lot of other, more natural things to think about? How could it occur to him? Someone had to tell him: hey, Michail Moisejevich, you are a good man, why don't you help this somewhat awkward case, show them "light". Regards, Wlod [...] When almost all Soviet grandmasters signed the notoriousletter against Korchnoi in 1976 after his defection to the West, Botvinnik did not sugn this letter. Thus we see that Botvinnik was not likely to initiate changing Gary's name to another (to a nonJewish name). Most importantly, if you believe that the idea to change Garik's family name came to someone in high places, the question is whe Brezhnev? [...] Don't be silly, don't make the discussion for both of us. Soviets had people who indeed had nothing better to do then to be busy with propafganda, etc. (For instance Soviets went to a great length to make sure that their first man in cosmos was a "pure bred Russian", that his background was workers/kolhozniks, rather than inteligencja, etc). Aryeh Davidoff Wlod PS. It's years since Botvinnik is dead. It is not nice to make up ugly stories about him just to put down Kasparov. Dear Mr.Holszinsky, Please use some common sense! You write:Once this "wonderful" idea was conceived they went to Botvinnik. They didn't have to "crack" Botvinnik. They simply had assured Botvinnik that the young boy will have no future under his Weinstein. My question is: whom do you mean by "they"?? Authorities, or KGB people? But they were all interested to see Karpov on the chess throne - you admit it yourself. Why were they to propel Garri to the chess throne, when everyone knew his origins, knew that he was Veinstein etc.? Karpov suited everybody very well. And Garri, even with the new family name of Kasparov could only be a nuisance to those in high places! And where did you find "ugly words" about Botvinnik? When Botvinnik was trying to help Garri's family name, he naively hoped to help him. And of course he could not imagine that in future this "trick" would affect Kasparov's personalty for the worse. As simple as that! Lev Khariton and I lived in Moscow and saw what was happening, so to say, "in the flesh", your evaluations seem to be a bit ephemeric or even far-fetched, and proceed from hearsay. They lack, what psychologists call, "felt experience".But this is only the trouble with people who judge from afar. Aryeh Davidoff |
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"Aryeh Davidoff" wrote in message
om... And where did you find "ugly words" about Botvinnik? When Botvinnik was trying to help Garri's family name, he naively hoped to help him. And of course he could not imagine that in future this "trick" would affect Kasparov's personalty for the worse. As simple as that! Lev Khariton and I lived in Moscow and saw what was happening, so to say, "in the flesh", your evaluations seem to be a bit ephemeric or even far-fetched, and proceed from hearsay. They lack, what psychologists call, "felt experience".But this is only the trouble with people who judge from afar. OK, were you an eyewitness how Garrik changed his name ? You`ve claimed it was his decision but I doubt it was his decision. Why ? He was too young to make such a decision. Surely his mother made it for him. Ask her why she did it. And for sure it`s not an argument against Garrik or against his attitude toward religions. You pretend to know everything better about the life of Kasparov`s family than Garrik himself and his realtives or friends. It`s really pathetic. Aryeh Davidoff As usual double regards for you two, Jerzy |
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Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote (2003-11-16 05:32:58 PST):
Kasparov didn't change his name. The Soviet authorities did, when he was a child Bob Lablaw wrote (2003-11-17 13:55:03 PST): Can you say where you've read this? Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote (2003-11-17 19:56:48 PST): My copies of Kasparov's autobiographical books are about 5000km away from me, as well as almost all my books. I simply read. I am not an historian, not even a reporter/journalist, so I cannot provide a source at this time. I hope that someone *knowledgeable will step forward. This is a well known item. I am sure that I have read about it in the past from more than one source. Bob Lablaw wrote (2003-11-18 02:00:04 PST): So it was in the autobiography? Thanks, that's good enough. _ Can someone confirm what Kasparov's autobiography actually says about the matter? |
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Subject: Aryeh Davidoff: Lev Khariton -Kasparov or Veinstein, What's the
Difference? From: (Louis Blair) Date: 11/20/03 11:20 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote (2003-11-16 05:32:58 PST): Kasparov didn't change his name. The Soviet authorities did, when he was a child Bob Lablaw wrote (2003-11-17 13:55:03 PST): Can you say where you've read this? Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote (2003-11-17 19:56:48 PST): My copies of Kasparov's autobiographical books are about 5000km away from me, as well as almost all my books. I simply read. I am not an historian, not even a reporter/journalist, so I cannot provide a source at this time. I hope that someone *knowledgeable will step forward. This is a well known item. I am sure that I have read about it in the past from more than one source. Bob Lablaw wrote (2003-11-18 02:00:04 PST): So it was in the autobiography? Thanks, that's good enough. _ Can someone confirm what Kasparov's autobiography actually says about the matter? From Kasparov's autobiography, "Unlimited Challenge", Chapter 1, A Boy from Baku: "Many people wonder why I changed my name from Weinstein to Kasparov. After my father died I went to live with my mother's parents [Shagen Mosesovich Kasparov and Susanna Bagdasarovna]. It seemed natural to use the name Kasparov, particularly as they had three daughters and no son..." George Mirijanian |
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"Miriling" wrote in message
... So it was in the autobiography? Thanks, that's good enough. _ Can someone confirm what Kasparov's autobiography actually says about the matter? From Kasparov's autobiography, "Unlimited Challenge", Chapter 1, A Boy from Baku: "Many people wonder why I changed my name from Weinstein to Kasparov. After my father died I went to live with my mother's parents [Shagen Mosesovich Kasparov and Susanna Bagdasarovna]. It seemed natural to use the name Kasparov, particularly as they had three daughters and no son..." Sounds simple and truly. Regards, Jerzy |
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