I see that Paco Vallejo was once again invited to Linares; last year
too right? Vallejo and Radjobov (won a game from Kasparov who
blundered--big deal) are weak--so why couldn't they get Anand? Are
they trying to get an even number of players? Is this a Swiss or
round-robin?

I think Linares organizers are weak. I would have liked to see Polgar
or some others play. The organizers should rely on the Net to get
contributions, or on Las Vegas betters, to make donations (bets),
played in Monte Carlo, so we can see the best play the best.

We need a "Don King" of chess. I think the boys at
rec.games.chess.politics can qualify.

Here are some better players than Vallejo and the other guy:


4 Bareev, Evgeny.................. g RUS 2739 11 21.11.66
5 Shirov, Alexei.................. g ESP 2737 2 04.07.72
6 Topalov, Veselin................ g BUL 2735 0 15.03.75
7 Grischuk, Alexander............. g RUS 2732 0 31.10.83
8 Adams, Michael.................. g ENG 2725 10 17.11.71
9 Svidler, Peter.................. g RUS 2723 0 17.06.76
10 Leko, Peter..................... g HUN 2722 10 08.09.79
11 Polgar, Judit (GM).............. wg HUN 2722 9 23.07.76
12 Ponomariov, Ruslan.............. g UKR 2718 0 11.10.83
13 Ivanchuk, Vassily............... g UKR 2710 0 18.03.69
14 Dreev, Alexey................... g RUS 2705 9 30.01.69
15 Gelfand, Boris.................. g ISR 2703 11 24.06.68
16 Morozevich, Alexander........... g RUS 2702 10 18.07.77
17 Short, Nigel D.................. g ENG 2701 0 01.06.65


RL

Linares 2004

The lineup for Linares 2004 looks like being Gary Kasparov 2830
Vladimir Kramnik 2770 Veselin Topalov Peter Leko 2722 Alexei Shirov
2737 Paco Vallejo 2662 Teimour Radjabov 2650.

"raylopez99" wrote in message
om...
I see that Paco Vallejo was once again invited to Linares; last year
too right? Vallejo and Radjobov (won a game from Kasparov who
blundered--big deal) are weak--

snip

Here are some better players than Vallejo and the other guy:

snip

Yes, but which of them is Spanish born?

Remember the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules. The
organizers selected Vallejo because they want to bolster Spanish Chess.

David

Paco is a favorite son participant. What Spanish player would be better. (I
don't know. Just asking.). Radj the Boy Wonder adds increasing skill and
interest. Both are arguable choices, but there is a logic to their being
invited. Judit Polgar has made the interesting statement that she's played a
lot this year and "is tired of chess." I knew she wasn't going to Corus, but
I was hoping to see her play at Linares.

Wilma
who's an expert at responding without saying anything...

"raylopez99" wrote in message
om...
I see that Paco Vallejo was once again invited to Linares; last year
too right? Vallejo and Radjobov (won a game from Kasparov who
blundered--big deal) are weak--so why couldn't they get Anand? Are
they trying to get an even number of players? Is this a Swiss or
round-robin?

I think Linares organizers are weak. I would have liked to see Polgar
or some others play. The organizers should rely on the Net to get
contributions, or on Las Vegas betters, to make donations (bets),
played in Monte Carlo, so we can see the best play the best.

We need a "Don King" of chess. I think the boys at
rec.games.chess.politics can qualify.

Here are some better players than Vallejo and the other guy:


4 Bareev, Evgeny.................. g RUS 2739 11 21.11.66
5 Shirov, Alexei.................. g ESP 2737 2 04.07.72
6 Topalov, Veselin................ g BUL 2735 0 15.03.75
7 Grischuk, Alexander............. g RUS 2732 0 31.10.83
8 Adams, Michael.................. g ENG 2725 10 17.11.71
9 Svidler, Peter.................. g RUS 2723 0 17.06.76
10 Leko, Peter..................... g HUN 2722 10 08.09.79
11 Polgar, Judit (GM).............. wg HUN 2722 9 23.07.76
12 Ponomariov, Ruslan.............. g UKR 2718 0 11.10.83
13 Ivanchuk, Vassily............... g UKR 2710 0 18.03.69
14 Dreev, Alexey................... g RUS 2705 9 30.01.69
15 Gelfand, Boris.................. g ISR 2703 11 24.06.68
16 Morozevich, Alexander........... g RUS 2702 10 18.07.77
17 Short, Nigel D.................. g ENG 2701 0 01.06.65


RL

Linares 2004

The lineup for Linares 2004 looks like being Gary Kasparov 2830
Vladimir Kramnik 2770 Veselin Topalov Peter Leko 2722 Alexei Shirov
2737 Paco Vallejo 2662 Teimour Radjabov 2650.

Wilma, I find Judit Polgar's choice of words very curious. Granted,
she's married and doesn't play chess as much as the others do like
Ivanchuk but her comments don't make sense. She HASN'T been playing much
chess ANYWAY. If she's being coy about making any ground shaking
announcement like she's giving up chess to becoming a full time mother
is one thing, but it's quite another for Judit to say she's tired of
chess because she's played alot this year. I'd like to know how GM Judit
Polgar can quantify her tournament games this year as being exhausting.
If anything, it's anybody but Judit Polgar who have really put up alot
of air time and expenses to playing chess around the globe. Kasparov is
on that list. Judit Polgar is not. I would be sad to see her leave the
chess world to become a mother full time. But as people constantly are
saying...women don't take to the game like men do. So her absence would
be greatly missed but...life will go on in the chess world without
her...even though there aren't any women on the horizon that can
possibly match her accomplishments. But then again, men chessplayers
really don't care a fig about that. Men have always dominated the game
and always will. it's going to take someone politically connected like
GM Susan Polgar to shake up the male chess establishment to letting
women start playing chess games against the men. It'll be the only way
to jumpstart the process of getting women to playing chess better and
becoming more noticable. GM Judit Polgar has done a wonderful job...but
she's not into fighting FIDE for women's chess. She seemed to be
acquiescent in the status quo without saying a peep about women in
chess. For all I've read about GM Judit Polgar, she's been very silent
on the whole issue of women in chess and what should be done to improve
the status quo. Not once have I heard her make any remark on this issue
and that's puzzling. So her latest remarks won't get alot of press
coverage. Even if she retires from chess next year, Judit Polgar won't
be making the press rounds. It would make big news if she challenged
Kasparov to an eight game blitz match like she did against Anand and
Gelfand. it would make news if she becomes the challenger to the World
Championship. But it seems to me this is a hopeless cause. I just feel
her remarks are a very telling indication she's going to retire from
chess forever. And the sad thing is...there aren't many women capable of
taking up the mantle that GM Judit Polgar will be leaving behind.







In article . net,
says...
Paco is a favorite son participant. What Spanish player would be better. (I
don't know. Just asking.). Radj the Boy Wonder adds increasing skill and
interest. Both are arguable choices, but there is a logic to their being
invited. Judit Polgar has made the interesting statement that she's played a
lot this year and "is tired of chess." I knew she wasn't going to Corus, but
I was hoping to see her play at Linares.

Wilma
who's an expert at responding without saying anything...



"raylopez99" wrote in message
om...
I see that Paco Vallejo was once again invited to Linares; last year
too right? Vallejo and Radjobov (won a game from Kasparov who
blundered--big deal) are weak--so why couldn't they get Anand? Are
they trying to get an even number of players? Is this a Swiss or
round-robin?

I think Linares organizers are weak. I would have liked to see Polgar
or some others play. The organizers should rely on the Net to get
contributions, or on Las Vegas betters, to make donations (bets),
played in Monte Carlo, so we can see the best play the best.

We need a "Don King" of chess. I think the boys at
rec.games.chess.politics can qualify.

Here are some better players than Vallejo and the other guy:


4 Bareev, Evgeny.................. g RUS 2739 11 21.11.66
5 Shirov, Alexei.................. g ESP 2737 2 04.07.72
6 Topalov, Veselin................ g BUL 2735 0 15.03.75
7 Grischuk, Alexander............. g RUS 2732 0 31.10.83
8 Adams, Michael.................. g ENG 2725 10 17.11.71
9 Svidler, Peter.................. g RUS 2723 0 17.06.76
10 Leko, Peter..................... g HUN 2722 10 08.09.79
11 Polgar, Judit (GM).............. wg HUN 2722 9 23.07.76
12 Ponomariov, Ruslan.............. g UKR 2718 0 11.10.83
13 Ivanchuk, Vassily............... g UKR 2710 0 18.03.69
14 Dreev, Alexey................... g RUS 2705 9 30.01.69
15 Gelfand, Boris.................. g ISR 2703 11 24.06.68
16 Morozevich, Alexander........... g RUS 2702 10 18.07.77
17 Short, Nigel D.................. g ENG 2701 0 01.06.65


RL

Linares 2004

The lineup for Linares 2004 looks like being Gary Kasparov 2830
Vladimir Kramnik 2770 Veselin Topalov Peter Leko 2722 Alexei Shirov
2737 Paco Vallejo 2662 Teimour Radjabov 2650.

Alberich, she can be tired whether anybody else is tired or not, can't she?
Besides, by "tired of chess" she may have meant "tired from chess," her job,
and needing a vacation. English is a foreign language even to some who speak
no other language. I don't even know if she spoke those words in English
herself or if the interviewer who reported them translated for her.

As for the obligation you want her to feel toward chess or promoting women's
chess by entering politics, I've replied to you on that before and simply
disagree that she owes us anything. It wouldn't bother me to discover that
her personal sense of duty is less abstract than that or that her
preferences in what to do with her own time don't incline her to let fans
work her to death for our enjoyment. She does enough for chess and for
women's chess by being the player she is. Entering politics would only
distract her from her game, in my opinion, and she'd soon be appearing on
panels and commissions instead of on lists of the top ten or so players in
the world. Instead of hearing her analyze her games in postmortems, we'd
start hearing her on chat lines saying "I tell my students" so and so, a
sure sign that her chess playing stardom is at an end.

I say let the politicians and organizers be the politicians and organizers.
Let players of Judit's caliber be players -- and humans with lives beyond
chess. She owes us nothing.

She hasn't, to my knowledge, indicated any intention of retiring from chess
permanently, so let's not let any anxiety we may feel over the prospect
drive us to deny her the right to feel tired by questioning the logic of it.
Our wishes are not necessarily her shoulds.


"Alberich" wrote in message
. ..
Wilma, I find Judit Polgar's choice of words very curious. Granted,
she's married and doesn't play chess as much as the others do like
Ivanchuk but her comments don't make sense. She HASN'T been playing much
chess ANYWAY. If she's being coy about making any ground shaking
announcement like she's giving up chess to becoming a full time mother
is one thing, but it's quite another for Judit to say she's tired of
chess because she's played alot this year. I'd like to know how GM Judit
Polgar can quantify her tournament games this year as being exhausting.
If anything, it's anybody but Judit Polgar who have really put up alot
of air time and expenses to playing chess around the globe. Kasparov is
on that list. Judit Polgar is not. I would be sad to see her leave the
chess world to become a mother full time. But as people constantly are
saying...women don't take to the game like men do. So her absence would
be greatly missed but...life will go on in the chess world without
her...even though there aren't any women on the horizon that can
possibly match her accomplishments. But then again, men chessplayers
really don't care a fig about that. Men have always dominated the game
and always will. it's going to take someone politically connected like
GM Susan Polgar to shake up the male chess establishment to letting
women start playing chess games against the men. It'll be the only way
to jumpstart the process of getting women to playing chess better and
becoming more noticable. GM Judit Polgar has done a wonderful job...but
she's not into fighting FIDE for women's chess. She seemed to be
acquiescent in the status quo without saying a peep about women in
chess. For all I've read about GM Judit Polgar, she's been very silent
on the whole issue of women in chess and what should be done to improve
the status quo. Not once have I heard her make any remark on this issue
and that's puzzling. So her latest remarks won't get alot of press
coverage. Even if she retires from chess next year, Judit Polgar won't
be making the press rounds. It would make big news if she challenged
Kasparov to an eight game blitz match like she did against Anand and
Gelfand. it would make news if she becomes the challenger to the World
Championship. But it seems to me this is a hopeless cause. I just feel
her remarks are a very telling indication she's going to retire from
chess forever. And the sad thing is...there aren't many women capable of
taking up the mantle that GM Judit Polgar will be leaving behind.







In article . net,
says...
Paco is a favorite son participant. What Spanish player would be better.
(I
don't know. Just asking.). Radj the Boy Wonder adds increasing skill and
interest. Both are arguable choices, but there is a logic to their being
invited. Judit Polgar has made the interesting statement that she's
played a
lot this year and "is tired of chess." I knew she wasn't going to Corus,
but
I was hoping to see her play at Linares.

Wilma
who's an expert at responding without saying anything...



"raylopez99" wrote in message
om...
I see that Paco Vallejo was once again invited to Linares; last year
too right? Vallejo and Radjobov (won a game from Kasparov who
blundered--big deal) are weak--so why couldn't they get Anand? Are
they trying to get an even number of players? Is this a Swiss or
round-robin?

I think Linares organizers are weak. I would have liked to see Polgar
or some others play. The organizers should rely on the Net to get
contributions, or on Las Vegas betters, to make donations (bets),
played in Monte Carlo, so we can see the best play the best.

We need a "Don King" of chess. I think the boys at
rec.games.chess.politics can qualify.

Here are some better players than Vallejo and the other guy:


4 Bareev, Evgeny.................. g RUS 2739 11 21.11.66
5 Shirov, Alexei.................. g ESP 2737 2 04.07.72
6 Topalov, Veselin................ g BUL 2735 0 15.03.75
7 Grischuk, Alexander............. g RUS 2732 0 31.10.83
8 Adams, Michael.................. g ENG 2725 10 17.11.71
9 Svidler, Peter.................. g RUS 2723 0 17.06.76
10 Leko, Peter..................... g HUN 2722 10 08.09.79
11 Polgar, Judit (GM).............. wg HUN 2722 9 23.07.76
12 Ponomariov, Ruslan.............. g UKR 2718 0 11.10.83
13 Ivanchuk, Vassily............... g UKR 2710 0 18.03.69
14 Dreev, Alexey................... g RUS 2705 9 30.01.69
15 Gelfand, Boris.................. g ISR 2703 11 24.06.68
16 Morozevich, Alexander........... g RUS 2702 10 18.07.77
17 Short, Nigel D.................. g ENG 2701 0 01.06.65


RL

Linares 2004

The lineup for Linares 2004 looks like being Gary Kasparov 2830
Vladimir Kramnik 2770 Veselin Topalov Peter Leko 2722 Alexei Shirov
2737 Paco Vallejo 2662 Teimour Radjabov 2650.

You said something interesting, Wilma. You said "instead of hearing her
analyze her games in postmortem". Where can I FIND these Judit Polgar
postmortems?! I've been trying for YEARS to find postmortem analysis by
Judit Polgar and her games! You know of any online site that collects
such comments by Judit Polgar on the games she plays! My God! I'd
download all her analysis for many evenings of uniterrupted study on my
chess analysis board - (13 inch grey and buff) along with the House of
Staunton Plastic Collector series set ( 4 inch King, triple weighted,
the best plastic pieces in the world, by the way).

So please, Wilma...dish! Tell me where I can get these game analysis by
Judit Polgar! I won't have to wait for years before she decides to
publish her games in a collection set. Website would be greatly
appreciated.











In article . net,
says...
Alberich, she can be tired whether anybody else is tired or not, can't she?
Besides, by "tired of chess" she may have meant "tired from chess," her job,
and needing a vacation. English is a foreign language even to some who speak
no other language. I don't even know if she spoke those words in English
herself or if the interviewer who reported them translated for her.

As for the obligation you want her to feel toward chess or promoting women's
chess by entering politics, I've replied to you on that before and simply
disagree that she owes us anything. It wouldn't bother me to discover that
her personal sense of duty is less abstract than that or that her
preferences in what to do with her own time don't incline her to let fans
work her to death for our enjoyment. She does enough for chess and for
women's chess by being the player she is. Entering politics would only
distract her from her game, in my opinion, and she'd soon be appearing on
panels and commissions instead of on lists of the top ten or so players in
the world. Instead of hearing her analyze her games in postmortems, we'd
start hearing her on chat lines saying "I tell my students" so and so, a
sure sign that her chess playing stardom is at an end.

I say let the politicians and organizers be the politicians and organizers.
Let players of Judit's caliber be players -- and humans with lives beyond
chess. She owes us nothing.

She hasn't, to my knowledge, indicated any intention of retiring from chess
permanently, so let's not let any anxiety we may feel over the prospect
drive us to deny her the right to feel tired by questioning the logic of it.
Our wishes are not necessarily her shoulds.


"Alberich" wrote in message
. ..
Wilma, I find Judit Polgar's choice of words very curious. Granted,
she's married and doesn't play chess as much as the others do like
Ivanchuk but her comments don't make sense. She HASN'T been playing much
chess ANYWAY. If she's being coy about making any ground shaking
announcement like she's giving up chess to becoming a full time mother
is one thing, but it's quite another for Judit to say she's tired of
chess because she's played alot this year. I'd like to know how GM Judit
Polgar can quantify her tournament games this year as being exhausting.
If anything, it's anybody but Judit Polgar who have really put up alot
of air time and expenses to playing chess around the globe. Kasparov is
on that list. Judit Polgar is not. I would be sad to see her leave the
chess world to become a mother full time. But as people constantly are
saying...women don't take to the game like men do. So her absence would
be greatly missed but...life will go on in the chess world without
her...even though there aren't any women on the horizon that can
possibly match her accomplishments. But then again, men chessplayers
really don't care a fig about that. Men have always dominated the game
and always will. it's going to take someone politically connected like
GM Susan Polgar to shake up the male chess establishment to letting
women start playing chess games against the men. It'll be the only way
to jumpstart the process of getting women to playing chess better and
becoming more noticable. GM Judit Polgar has done a wonderful job...but
she's not into fighting FIDE for women's chess. She seemed to be
acquiescent in the status quo without saying a peep about women in
chess. For all I've read about GM Judit Polgar, she's been very silent
on the whole issue of women in chess and what should be done to improve
the status quo. Not once have I heard her make any remark on this issue
and that's puzzling. So her latest remarks won't get alot of press
coverage. Even if she retires from chess next year, Judit Polgar won't
be making the press rounds. It would make big news if she challenged
Kasparov to an eight game blitz match like she did against Anand and
Gelfand. it would make news if she becomes the challenger to the World
Championship. But it seems to me this is a hopeless cause. I just feel
her remarks are a very telling indication she's going to retire from
chess forever. And the sad thing is...there aren't many women capable of
taking up the mantle that GM Judit Polgar will be leaving behind.







In article . net,
says...
Paco is a favorite son participant. What Spanish player would be better.
(I
don't know. Just asking.). Radj the Boy Wonder adds increasing skill and
interest. Both are arguable choices, but there is a logic to their being
invited. Judit Polgar has made the interesting statement that she's
played a
lot this year and "is tired of chess." I knew she wasn't going to Corus,
but
I was hoping to see her play at Linares.

Wilma
who's an expert at responding without saying anything...



"raylopez99" wrote in message
om...
I see that Paco Vallejo was once again invited to Linares; last year
too right? Vallejo and Radjobov (won a game from Kasparov who
blundered--big deal) are weak--so why couldn't they get Anand? Are
they trying to get an even number of players? Is this a Swiss or
round-robin?

I think Linares organizers are weak. I would have liked to see Polgar
or some others play. The organizers should rely on the Net to get
contributions, or on Las Vegas betters, to make donations (bets),
played in Monte Carlo, so we can see the best play the best.

We need a "Don King" of chess. I think the boys at
rec.games.chess.politics can qualify.

Here are some better players than Vallejo and the other guy:


4 Bareev, Evgeny.................. g RUS 2739 11 21.11.66
5 Shirov, Alexei.................. g ESP 2737 2 04.07.72
6 Topalov, Veselin................ g BUL 2735 0 15.03.75
7 Grischuk, Alexander............. g RUS 2732 0 31.10.83
8 Adams, Michael.................. g ENG 2725 10 17.11.71
9 Svidler, Peter.................. g RUS 2723 0 17.06.76
10 Leko, Peter..................... g HUN 2722 10 08.09.79
11 Polgar, Judit (GM).............. wg HUN 2722 9 23.07.76
12 Ponomariov, Ruslan.............. g UKR 2718 0 11.10.83
13 Ivanchuk, Vassily............... g UKR 2710 0 18.03.69
14 Dreev, Alexey................... g RUS 2705 9 30.01.69
15 Gelfand, Boris.................. g ISR 2703 11 24.06.68
16 Morozevich, Alexander........... g RUS 2702 10 18.07.77
17 Short, Nigel D.................. g ENG 2701 0 01.06.65


RL

Linares 2004

The lineup for Linares 2004 looks like being Gary Kasparov 2830
Vladimir Kramnik 2770 Veselin Topalov Peter Leko 2722 Alexei Shirov
2737 Paco Vallejo 2662 Teimour Radjabov 2650.

I've been fortunate enough to be able to see her in person a few times,
Alberich. Other than that, the only internet analysis I've seen her do was
at the Corus tourney, I think it was, when she analyzed her win over Karpov
and when she appeared with Anand in an analysis of their great drawn game.
By the way, the book with her dad appearing as the author was actually the
work of the three sisters. They just put his name on it.

Wilma

"Alberich" wrote in message
. ..
You said something interesting, Wilma. You said "instead of hearing her
analyze her games in postmortem". Where can I FIND these Judit Polgar
postmortems?! I've been trying for YEARS to find postmortem analysis by
Judit Polgar and her games! You know of any online site that collects
such comments by Judit Polgar on the games she plays! My God! I'd
download all her analysis for many evenings of uniterrupted study on my
chess analysis board - (13 inch grey and buff) along with the House of
Staunton Plastic Collector series set ( 4 inch King, triple weighted,
the best plastic pieces in the world, by the way).

So please, Wilma...dish! Tell me where I can get these game analysis by
Judit Polgar! I won't have to wait for years before she decides to
publish her games in a collection set. Website would be greatly
appreciated.











In article . net,
says...
Alberich, she can be tired whether anybody else is tired or not, can't
she?
Besides, by "tired of chess" she may have meant "tired from chess," her
job,
and needing a vacation. English is a foreign language even to some who
speak
no other language. I don't even know if she spoke those words in English
herself or if the interviewer who reported them translated for her.

As for the obligation you want her to feel toward chess or promoting
women's
chess by entering politics, I've replied to you on that before and
simply
disagree that she owes us anything. It wouldn't bother me to discover
that
her personal sense of duty is less abstract than that or that her
preferences in what to do with her own time don't incline her to let
fans
work her to death for our enjoyment. She does enough for chess and for
women's chess by being the player she is. Entering politics would only
distract her from her game, in my opinion, and she'd soon be appearing
on
panels and commissions instead of on lists of the top ten or so players
in
the world. Instead of hearing her analyze her games in postmortems, we'd
start hearing her on chat lines saying "I tell my students" so and so, a
sure sign that her chess playing stardom is at an end.

I say let the politicians and organizers be the politicians and
organizers.
Let players of Judit's caliber be players -- and humans with lives
beyond
chess. She owes us nothing.

She hasn't, to my knowledge, indicated any intention of retiring from
chess
permanently, so let's not let any anxiety we may feel over the prospect
drive us to deny her the right to feel tired by questioning the logic of
it.
Our wishes are not necessarily her shoulds.


"Alberich" wrote in message
. ..
Wilma, I find Judit Polgar's choice of words very curious. Granted,
she's married and doesn't play chess as much as the others do like
Ivanchuk but her comments don't make sense. She HASN'T been playing
much
chess ANYWAY. If she's being coy about making any ground shaking
announcement like she's giving up chess to becoming a full time mother
is one thing, but it's quite another for Judit to say she's tired of
chess because she's played alot this year. I'd like to know how GM
Judit
Polgar can quantify her tournament games this year as being
exhausting.
If anything, it's anybody but Judit Polgar who have really put up alot
of air time and expenses to playing chess around the globe. Kasparov
is
on that list. Judit Polgar is not. I would be sad to see her leave the
chess world to become a mother full time. But as people constantly are
saying...women don't take to the game like men do. So her absence
would
be greatly missed but...life will go on in the chess world without
her...even though there aren't any women on the horizon that can
possibly match her accomplishments. But then again, men chessplayers
really don't care a fig about that. Men have always dominated the game
and always will. it's going to take someone politically connected like
GM Susan Polgar to shake up the male chess establishment to letting
women start playing chess games against the men. It'll be the only way
to jumpstart the process of getting women to playing chess better and
becoming more noticable. GM Judit Polgar has done a wonderful
job...but
she's not into fighting FIDE for women's chess. She seemed to be
acquiescent in the status quo without saying a peep about women in
chess. For all I've read about GM Judit Polgar, she's been very silent
on the whole issue of women in chess and what should be done to
improve
the status quo. Not once have I heard her make any remark on this
issue
and that's puzzling. So her latest remarks won't get alot of press
coverage. Even if she retires from chess next year, Judit Polgar won't
be making the press rounds. It would make big news if she challenged
Kasparov to an eight game blitz match like she did against Anand and
Gelfand. it would make news if she becomes the challenger to the World
Championship. But it seems to me this is a hopeless cause. I just feel
her remarks are a very telling indication she's going to retire from
chess forever. And the sad thing is...there aren't many women capable
of
taking up the mantle that GM Judit Polgar will be leaving behind.







In article . net,
says...
Paco is a favorite son participant. What Spanish player would be
better.
(I
don't know. Just asking.). Radj the Boy Wonder adds increasing skill
and
interest. Both are arguable choices, but there is a logic to their
being
invited. Judit Polgar has made the interesting statement that she's
played a
lot this year and "is tired of chess." I knew she wasn't going to
Corus,
but
I was hoping to see her play at Linares.

Wilma
who's an expert at responding without saying anything...



"raylopez99" wrote in message
om...
I see that Paco Vallejo was once again invited to Linares; last
year
too right? Vallejo and Radjobov (won a game from Kasparov who
blundered--big deal) are weak--so why couldn't they get Anand?
Are
they trying to get an even number of players? Is this a Swiss or
round-robin?

I think Linares organizers are weak. I would have liked to see
Polgar
or some others play. The organizers should rely on the Net to get
contributions, or on Las Vegas betters, to make donations (bets),
played in Monte Carlo, so we can see the best play the best.

We need a "Don King" of chess. I think the boys at
rec.games.chess.politics can qualify.

Here are some better players than Vallejo and the other guy:


4 Bareev, Evgeny.................. g RUS 2739 11
21.11.66
5 Shirov, Alexei.................. g ESP 2737 2
04.07.72
6 Topalov, Veselin................ g BUL 2735 0
15.03.75
7 Grischuk, Alexander............. g RUS 2732 0
31.10.83
8 Adams, Michael.................. g ENG 2725 10
17.11.71
9 Svidler, Peter.................. g RUS 2723 0
17.06.76
10 Leko, Peter..................... g HUN 2722 10
08.09.79
11 Polgar, Judit (GM).............. wg HUN 2722 9
23.07.76
12 Ponomariov, Ruslan.............. g UKR 2718 0
11.10.83
13 Ivanchuk, Vassily............... g UKR 2710 0
18.03.69
14 Dreev, Alexey................... g RUS 2705 9
30.01.69
15 Gelfand, Boris.................. g ISR 2703 11
24.06.68
16 Morozevich, Alexander........... g RUS 2702 10
18.07.77
17 Short, Nigel D.................. g ENG 2701 0
01.06.65


RL

Linares 2004

The lineup for Linares 2004 looks like being Gary Kasparov 2830
Vladimir Kramnik 2770 Veselin Topalov Peter Leko 2722 Alexei
Shirov
2737 Paco Vallejo 2662 Teimour Radjabov 2650.

You're dancing around my question Wilma. Clearly GM Judit Polgar has
done analysis far more extensively than that. I've heard comments
suggesting she contributed to Chess Informant magazine and others. I
know a book is coming. I can just FEEL it. It would be absurd for her
NOT to publish one of her own anthologies with her best games. it's got
to be in the works. In the meantime, please give me the website with GM
Judit Polgar analysis. Thanks.





In article . net,
says...
I've been fortunate enough to be able to see her in person a few times,
Alberich. Other than that, the only internet analysis I've seen her do was
at the Corus tourney, I think it was, when she analyzed her win over Karpov
and when she appeared with Anand in an analysis of their great drawn game.
By the way, the book with her dad appearing as the author was actually the
work of the three sisters. They just put his name on it.

Wilma

"Alberich" wrote in message
. ..
You said something interesting, Wilma. You said "instead of hearing her
analyze her games in postmortem". Where can I FIND these Judit Polgar
postmortems?! I've been trying for YEARS to find postmortem analysis by
Judit Polgar and her games! You know of any online site that collects
such comments by Judit Polgar on the games she plays! My God! I'd
download all her analysis for many evenings of uniterrupted study on my
chess analysis board - (13 inch grey and buff) along with the House of
Staunton Plastic Collector series set ( 4 inch King, triple weighted,
the best plastic pieces in the world, by the way).

So please, Wilma...dish! Tell me where I can get these game analysis by
Judit Polgar! I won't have to wait for years before she decides to
publish her games in a collection set. Website would be greatly
appreciated.











In article . net,
says...
Alberich, she can be tired whether anybody else is tired or not, can't
she?
Besides, by "tired of chess" she may have meant "tired from chess," her
job,
and needing a vacation. English is a foreign language even to some who
speak
no other language. I don't even know if she spoke those words in English
herself or if the interviewer who reported them translated for her.

As for the obligation you want her to feel toward chess or promoting
women's
chess by entering politics, I've replied to you on that before and
simply
disagree that she owes us anything. It wouldn't bother me to discover
that
her personal sense of duty is less abstract than that or that her
preferences in what to do with her own time don't incline her to let
fans
work her to death for our enjoyment. She does enough for chess and for
women's chess by being the player she is. Entering politics would only
distract her from her game, in my opinion, and she'd soon be appearing
on
panels and commissions instead of on lists of the top ten or so players
in
the world. Instead of hearing her analyze her games in postmortems, we'd
start hearing her on chat lines saying "I tell my students" so and so, a
sure sign that her chess playing stardom is at an end.

I say let the politicians and organizers be the politicians and
organizers.
Let players of Judit's caliber be players -- and humans with lives
beyond
chess. She owes us nothing.

She hasn't, to my knowledge, indicated any intention of retiring from
chess
permanently, so let's not let any anxiety we may feel over the prospect
drive us to deny her the right to feel tired by questioning the logic of
it.
Our wishes are not necessarily her shoulds.


"Alberich" wrote in message
. ..
Wilma, I find Judit Polgar's choice of words very curious. Granted,
she's married and doesn't play chess as much as the others do like
Ivanchuk but her comments don't make sense. She HASN'T been playing
much
chess ANYWAY. If she's being coy about making any ground shaking
announcement like she's giving up chess to becoming a full time mother
is one thing, but it's quite another for Judit to say she's tired of
chess because she's played alot this year. I'd like to know how GM
Judit
Polgar can quantify her tournament games this year as being
exhausting.
If anything, it's anybody but Judit Polgar who have really put up alot
of air time and expenses to playing chess around the globe. Kasparov
is
on that list. Judit Polgar is not. I would be sad to see her leave the
chess world to become a mother full time. But as people constantly are
saying...women don't take to the game like men do. So her absence
would
be greatly missed but...life will go on in the chess world without
her...even though there aren't any women on the horizon that can
possibly match her accomplishments. But then again, men chessplayers
really don't care a fig about that. Men have always dominated the game
and always will. it's going to take someone politically connected like
GM Susan Polgar to shake up the male chess establishment to letting
women start playing chess games against the men. It'll be the only way
to jumpstart the process of getting women to playing chess better and
becoming more noticable. GM Judit Polgar has done a wonderful
job...but
she's not into fighting FIDE for women's chess. She seemed to be
acquiescent in the status quo without saying a peep about women in
chess. For all I've read about GM Judit Polgar, she's been very silent
on the whole issue of women in chess and what should be done to
improve
the status quo. Not once have I heard her make any remark on this
issue
and that's puzzling. So her latest remarks won't get alot of press
coverage. Even if she retires from chess next year, Judit Polgar won't
be making the press rounds. It would make big news if she challenged
Kasparov to an eight game blitz match like she did against Anand and
Gelfand. it would make news if she becomes the challenger to the World
Championship. But it seems to me this is a hopeless cause. I just feel
her remarks are a very telling indication she's going to retire from
chess forever. And the sad thing is...there aren't many women capable
of
taking up the mantle that GM Judit Polgar will be leaving behind.







In article . net,
says...
Paco is a favorite son participant. What Spanish player would be
better.
(I
don't know. Just asking.). Radj the Boy Wonder adds increasing skill
and
interest. Both are arguable choices, but there is a logic to their
being
invited. Judit Polgar has made the interesting statement that she's
played a
lot this year and "is tired of chess." I knew she wasn't going to
Corus,
but
I was hoping to see her play at Linares.

Wilma
who's an expert at responding without saying anything...



"raylopez99" wrote in message
om...
I see that Paco Vallejo was once again invited to Linares; last
year
too right? Vallejo and Radjobov (won a game from Kasparov who
blundered--big deal) are weak--so why couldn't they get Anand?
Are
they trying to get an even number of players? Is this a Swiss or
round-robin?

I think Linares organizers are weak. I would have liked to see
Polgar
or some others play. The organizers should rely on the Net to get
contributions, or on Las Vegas betters, to make donations (bets),
played in Monte Carlo, so we can see the best play the best.

We need a "Don King" of chess. I think the boys at
rec.games.chess.politics can qualify.

Here are some better players than Vallejo and the other guy:


4 Bareev, Evgeny.................. g RUS 2739 11
21.11.66
5 Shirov, Alexei.................. g ESP 2737 2
04.07.72
6 Topalov, Veselin................ g BUL 2735 0
15.03.75
7 Grischuk, Alexander............. g RUS 2732 0
31.10.83
8 Adams, Michael.................. g ENG 2725 10
17.11.71
9 Svidler, Peter.................. g RUS 2723 0
17.06.76
10 Leko, Peter..................... g HUN 2722 10
08.09.79
11 Polgar, Judit (GM).............. wg HUN 2722 9
23.07.76
12 Ponomariov, Ruslan.............. g UKR 2718 0
11.10.83
13 Ivanchuk, Vassily............... g UKR 2710 0
18.03.69
14 Dreev, Alexey................... g RUS 2705 9
30.01.69
15 Gelfand, Boris.................. g ISR 2703 11
24.06.68
16 Morozevich, Alexander........... g RUS 2702 10
18.07.77
17 Short, Nigel D.................. g ENG 2701 0
01.06.65


RL

Linares 2004

The lineup for Linares 2004 looks like being Gary Kasparov 2830
Vladimir Kramnik 2770 Veselin Topalov Peter Leko 2722 Alexei
Shirov
2737 Paco Vallejo 2662 Teimour Radjabov 2650.

Alberich wrote in message ...
You're dancing around my question Wilma. Clearly GM Judit Polgar has
done analysis far more extensively than that. I've heard comments
suggesting she contributed to Chess Informant magazine and others.

Just about all the top players often annotate their wins for
Informant. I'd be more surprised if she hasn't regularly annotated
games in Informant over the last five years than if she did. There
are 25 games she annotated in the Chessbase Mega 2003. All of those
are from 1990 to 1994 though.

I don't subscribe to informant, but I suspect if you emailed them they
could tell you how many annotated games she has in the lastest
collection of annotated games that they sell. www.sahovski.com

Mark

In article , icebox93
@my-deja.com says...
Alberich wrote in message ...
You're dancing around my question Wilma. Clearly GM Judit Polgar has
done analysis far more extensively than that. I've heard comments
suggesting she contributed to Chess Informant magazine and others.

Just about all the top players often annotate their wins for
Informant. I'd be more surprised if she hasn't regularly annotated
games in Informant over the last five years than if she did. There
are 25 games she annotated in the Chessbase Mega 2003. All of those
are from 1990 to 1994 though.

I don't subscribe to informant, but I suspect if you emailed them they
could tell you how many annotated games she has in the lastest
collection of annotated games that they sell. www.sahovski.com

Mark

I'm getting interested in finding out where I can get Chess Informant
magazine. Am I correct in assuming this magazine is actually burned onto
CDs? If so, what format must one have in order to access the files on
the Chess Informant CDs? Thanks in advance.

I've got Chessbase Fritz program and I also have the chess database
program CA 7.1, which can read both CBH and proprietary CA files. Is
Chess Informant in either format or in a different format altogether?
Thanks.