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It really doesn't matter what GM's think about drug testing. Do you
think that the NFL polls it's players about whether they WANT to take drug tests? Of course they don't. Yes, the player's unions negotiate the policy, but that focuses more on fairness of testing, the scale of consequenses, etc. - not on whether testing should happen at all. If you take banned substances, you don't want the tests, because either you'll have to stop, or else risk the consequences of getting caught. And obvioulsy you are only taking such drugs because you find them "beneficial". If you don't take any banned substances, you probably see testing as a waste of time and resources. But a sponsoring organization, whether it be the Olympics, or private corporations, might require drug testing, if they feel there is a risk to their reputation. And yes, competitive chess could be ripe for drug abuse. As is any activity, sport, politics, business or otherwise, where money and other desirable prizes are at stake. And the argument that there aren't any drugs that have been proven to enhance chess playing skill is naieve. Top level chess requires tremendous amounts of emotional and physical stamina, and there are many drugs that purport to improve those capabilities. And given enough incentive, why wouldn't an enterprising pharmacologist attempt to create a sort of mental concentration viagra .. that could come in handy during those 6 hour playing sessions against 2700+ GMs. |
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WHO CARES WHAT GMs WANT?
By Larry Parr It really doesn't matter what GM's think about drug testing. -- Chess Hobbyist Another perfect example of FIDE-think from an anonomouse. When Florencio Campomanes was asked about what GMs think, he replied, "How many votes do they have in FIDE?" |
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ChessHobbyist wrote:
If you take banned substances, you don't want the tests, because either you'll have to stop, or else risk the consequences of getting caught. And obvioulsy you are only taking such drugs because you find them "beneficial". Part of the objection is that many medicines contain banned substances. Taking cold remedies, for example, is likely to make you test positive. Cold remedies aren't performance-enhancing as such -- they just help you to get your performance a little closer to what it would have been if you didn't have the damned cold. To me, drugs testing of chess players seems rather pointess, but I've not put any thought into the matter. Dave. -- David Richerby Frozen Zen Watch (TM): it's like a www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ precision chronometer that puts you in touch with the universe but it's frozen in a block of ice! |
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David - Yes, drug testing is a complicated issue. Should someone who
suffers from seasonal allergies be disqualified because they took a Sudafed 24 hours before the competition? But my point continues to be that the competitors are never the ones who favor drug testing ... it's always the sponsors. |
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TOUGH, FAIR QUESTIONS
By Larry Parr Evans and Parr have certainly focused on the most objectionable portions of the FIDE drug testing rules, but I do not see them embracing vague euphemisms like "small number of random drug tests," "significant dollars," and "several years of hardship" in order to induce the answer that they desire. To the extent that the phrasing of their questions flows directly from the FIDE rules themselves, I do not think they can be accused of using "fighting words." Maybe their questions just seem biased because the FIDE rules are really that bad. -- Vince Hart I favor a hard-hitting questionnaire. Bruce Draney argues that GM Evans and I asked biased rather than tough questions in which we sum up a case within the questions in favor of obvious answers. We would argue that we asked tough questions based on the actual FIDE drug code, which makes for ugly reading. But should we not use the words in the FIDE code when asking questions about whether one supports the code or opposes it? Now, then, you have been told that our "team" worked to soften the code. Actually, it is more HARSH in certain areas, including testing of children and in the area of out of competition testing. In the earlier code, there was a statement that testing of children under 16 would not occur; the current code in Article 3.1 provides for testing of "any competitor in any FIDE Competitition." Let's look at each question to discover whether Evans and I made a case or asked tough questions that are inconvenient for those who support our FIDE "team." 1. Do you favor or oppose FIDE having the power to ban players for life from international chess because they refuse to take drug tests (Article 6 of "FIDE Anti-Doping Regulations")? [[[[[No doubt this is a very tough question. We put it first for that reason. We fail to see how we have gilded any lily in the above. The question is flat and to the point. We fail to see how we have added emotive words or have used phrases other than those that express what appears in the FIDE regulations.]]]]] 2. Do you favor or oppose the USCF supporting FIDE in carrying out punishments directed against American players? [[[[[Nasty question, no doubt! But under the regulations, national federations are expected to enforce FIDE judgments. We did not ask, for example, whether USCF should help carry out FIDE "purges." Nor did we ask whether the USCF should help carry out FIDE "consequences." We just used the plain word "punishments." Is there a nice word? Would it have been more neutral to have spoken of USCF helping to carry out "bans" against American players?]]]]] 3. Do you favor or oppose the USCF supporting FIDE in carrying out punishments directed against players from other countries? [[[[[This question is identical to No. 2 except that it deals with players from other countries. We have gilded no lilies, just dealt with the meat and potatoes of the FIDE regs.]]]]] 4. Do you favor or oppose the existence of a planned FIDE "tribunal" to decide whether players should receive a lifetime ban from international chess or other less punishments? [[[[[The FIDE Congress papers used the word "tribunal" to describe the body that would make decisions that could end careers. We placed the word in quotations to indicate that it was not ours. Once again, the question is certainly striking. We fail to see how we employed emotive language or made a case presupposing an answer. What FIDE and our USCF political class want to foist on the chess world is SHOCKING. It makes for ugly reading even when expressed in the language of the regulations themselves. There is a different, as Vinny Hart has noted, between our employing impermissible language and asking questions based on FIDE's frankly shocking regulations.]]]]] 5. Do you favor or oppose FIDE conducting out-of-competition testing any time, any place, for any reason, stated or unstated? [[[[[The regulations provide for out-of-competition testing without any prohibitions as to time, place, reason. Period. This question could be legitimately softened by adding the phrase "which could be at" between the words "testing" and "any." Still, it is more words and, quite frankly, is really no different than the question we asked.]]]]] 6. Do you favor or oppose the USCF helping to enforce out-of-competition drug testing by providing FIDE with the "whereabouts information" of American players (Article 3.2 of "FIDE Anti-Doping Regulations")? [[[[[The phrase "whereabouts information" is in the FIDE drug code. It is not our invention. The regulations require national federations to provide such information. Now, then, we could have asked the question to read about providing such info to a killer such as Kirsan Ilyumzhinov or we could have added the perfectly reasonable phrase "and help FIDE to carry out other actions in enforcing out-of-competition testing," since such actions will undoubtedly be required. Still, we did not. We asked another BRUISING question based only on what is in the FIDE regs. We asked it in flat language.]]]]] 7. Do you favor or oppose drug testing of children (Article 3.1 of "FIDE Anti-Doping Regulations," in which it is stated FIDE "is entitled to carry out doping control on any competitor" in a FIDE-rated event)? [[[[[The issue here is whether it is permissible to ask any question relating to the likely desensitizing of children. If any of you have read the procedures involved in carrying urine and/or blood samples from one testing station to another, you will know that such will happen. Still, we kept our question focussed on what the regulations provide, which is for testing of "any competitor." One possible issue is our use of the word "stated" rather than "says." The answer is that the stronger "stated" is considered perfectly legitimate when quoting a formal code, though it is frowned upon when quoting spoken words, except when the speaker is reading from a formal document.]]]]] 8. Do you favor or oppose the USCF stating to the international chess community that it will oppose drug testing and will not enforce FIDE's drug testing code? [[[[[[Straightforward. Some of the pro-drug testers will want to add qualifying phrases such as "even though careers of American players be destroyed." Etc. etc. The truth is that those supporting our FIDE "team" are the ones who want to add extraneous information to questions.]]]]] 9. Do you favor or oppose the USCF working with allies to establish a new world chess organization that would supplant FIDE? [[[[[Straightforwards. Perhaps the word "allies" could be replaced by "other countries." But we don't see a material difference here. The pro-drug testers would favor a loaded question that would provide the opinion that such an initiative could not succeed, etc.]]]]] 10. Do you agree or disagree with GM Artur Yusupov and others that given the rejection of chess by the IOC, FIDE's evident motive is to establish political control over players by wielding drug-testing to destroy the careers of dissenters? [[[[[This question is a frank opinion question. It reads as such. There is nothing wrong with, say, some other grandmaster or chess official being quoted disagreeing with Yusupov and asking whether one agrees or disagrees with that point of view.]]]]] 11. Is there a drug problem in chess? [[[[[Another hard question because we all know the answer. Yet how can one leave out this short, flatly expressed question in a questionnaire about drug testing in chess?]]]]] 12. Do you favor or oppose drug testing in chess? [[[[[Even to ask the question is to answer it. Both sides understand this point. Therefore, although the question is short and neutral, the pro drug testers do not want it asked or, if asked, want to add phrases to qualify it.]]]]] 13. Do you favor or oppose the Executive Board seeking a vote of USCF members with FIDE playing titles about whether the Federation should repudiate the FIDE Drug Code? [[[[[This question does have a fault, though a small one. The phrase "support or" should be added before "repudiate."]]]]] |
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