On 19 Dec 2003 15:26:45 -0800, (raylopez99)
wrote:

At the National Scholastic K-12/Collegiate Chess Championships,
players who can barely tie their shoelaces are castling and double
pawning.

I learned to play at age 12. I was going to wait until my daughter
was about 10 to introduce her to chess, since I thought that was about
the age when I had sense enough to play. But around the time she
turned 6 she wanted me to teach her, so I did.

When she was 3 or 4, she deduced how to play checkers while watching
me play against the computer.

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Jud McCranie wrote:

On 19 Dec 2003 15:26:45 -0800, (raylopez99)
wrote:

At the National Scholastic K-12/Collegiate Chess Championships,
players who can barely tie their shoelaces are castling and double
pawning.



Okay, this has been bugging me since I first read it. What do you mean
"double pawning"? Do you mean moving their pawns two spaces? Do you mean
getting doubled pawns? Do you mean playing with 16 pawns each instead of
8? What?!

--Harold Buck


"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

The difficulty would be in how to describe the move. The most
general illegal move could transform the board from any position
to any position. I'm sure the most common illegal moves involve
king left and check or just one or two pieces at a time. These cases
would be easy to describe.

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:42:48 GMT, "David Kane"
wrote:

Illegal moves are not rare in these games. I wish chess software could
handle them. Just because computers don't make illegal moves doesn't mean
they aren't a part of the human game. While I suppose it could be
difficult
to handle every conceivable type of illegal move that a kid could come up
with,

Actually it isn't hard. Just generate a list of legal moves for the
position and check that the move is one of them.


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In article dNpFb.610690$HS4.4471429@attbi_s01,
"David Kane" wrote:

The difficulty would be in how to describe the move. The most
general illegal move could transform the board from any position
to any position.

True. Maybe they could add a symbol for the "sweep all remaining pieces
off the board and onto the floor" move.

Realistically, though, the "completely change the board" move is
unlikely to go unchallenged by the opponent.




--Harold Buck


"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:12:09 GMT, "David Kane"
wrote:

The difficulty would be in how to describe the move.

Do you mean how to describe or categorize an illegal move? Yes, that
is why it would be easier to generate the legal moves and check to see
whether or not a move is on the list.


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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:58:46 -0500, Harold Buck
wrote:

Okay, this has been bugging me since I first read it. What do you mean
"double pawning"? Do you mean moving their pawns two spaces?

I'm wondering too.


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Jud McCranie wrote:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:12:09 GMT, "David Kane"
wrote:

The difficulty would be in how to describe the move.

Do you mean how to describe or categorize an illegal move? Yes, that
is why it would be easier to generate the legal moves and check to see
whether or not a move is on the list.


No, he means figuring out how to note the illegal move in the score.
Suppose for my first move of the game as white I move my queen to a6 and
remove both black rooks and the black queen. There's no notation for
that because it's illegal, although if you want your software to allow
you to record all possible illegal moves you need to figure out a way to
note this move. Maybe "1. Qa7 xa8 xd8 xh8"?

--Harold Buck


"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:41:44 -0500, Harold Buck
wrote:

No, he means figuring out how to note the illegal move in the score.

Oh, I was thinking along the lines of preventing illegal moves. The
kids could enter their moves into a computer, which would only allow
legal moves.

I've watched the K-5 school chess club for several minutes each time I
go to pick up my daughter, and illegal moves and other misconceptions
abound.

Two or 3 weeks ago my daughter "lost" a game because she accidently
knocked over her K. Opponent took it as a resignation, and my
daughter didn't know otherwise.


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In article ,
Jud McCranie wrote:

Two or 3 weeks ago my daughter "lost" a game because she accidently
knocked over her K. Opponent took it as a resignation, and my
daughter didn't know otherwise.


That's one reason it's a good idea to start competing early (in
anything): you might not do well, but you learn a TON so that you end up
improving faster. At this age, though, sometimes the more forceful kid
can intimidate the other person in to believing they are right ("You
knocked your king over! That means you resign!" "It was an accident" "It
doesn't matter! I WIN!")

--Harold Buck


"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:06:18 -0500, Harold Buck
wrote:

That's one reason it's a good idea to start competing early (in
anything): you might not do well, but you learn a TON so that you end up
improving faster. At this age, though, sometimes the more forceful kid
can intimidate the other person in to believing they are right ("You
knocked your king over! That means you resign!" "It was an accident" "It
doesn't matter! I WIN!")

My daughter probably isn't intimidated - the chess coach says that
she's not afraid to play anyone (even 4 years older). This was
probably a case of not knowing the rules.


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