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Old December 23rd 03, 03:16 PM
Marco
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In Paolo Maurensig's novel "The Lünenburg Variation" the claim
is made that during the second world war various articles of
a very strong pro-nazi and anti-semitic nature appeared in the
German press, signed by the world champion (Alekhine). Is this
true? If so, did Alekhine actually write those articles?
Thanks,

Marco


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Old December 23rd 03, 05:41 PM
Anders Thulin
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Marco wrote:

a very strong pro-nazi and anti-semitic nature appeared in the
German press, signed by the world champion (Alekhine). Is this
true?


Yes.

If so, did Alekhine actually write those articles?

Don't think anyone can say definitely. One of Winter's
collections has several pages on this question --
I think it was Chess Explorations.

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Old December 23rd 03, 10:43 PM
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Marco wrote:
In Paolo Maurensig's novel "The Lünenburg Variation"
the claim is made that during the second world war
various articles of a very strong pro-nazi and
anti-semitic nature appeared in the German press,
signed by the world champion (Alekhine). Is this
true? If so, did Alekhine actually write those
articles?


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This has been discussed many times. I suggest looking
at the rec.games.chess.misc discussion in Google under
the heading:

Alekhine Controversy - Articles written by the World Chess Champion in 1941

Also, see entry 2688 in Chess Notes at the Chess Cafe.

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/cnarchives05.pdf
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Old December 23rd 03, 11:08 PM
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Anders Thulin wrote:

One of Winter's collections has several pages on this
question -- I think it was Chess Explorations.


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I found a discussion of the matter on pages 309-313 of
Kings, Commoners and Knaves.
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Old December 24th 03, 08:11 PM
Louis Blair
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Anders Thulin wrote (2003-12-23 08:41:18 PST):
One of Winter's collections has several pages on this
question -- I think it was Chess Explorations.


I wrote (2003-12-23 14:08:54 PST):
I found a discussion of the matter on pages 309-313 of
Kings, Commoners and Knaves.


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I also found a little bit on the subject on page 248
of Chess Explorations.
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Old December 25th 03, 09:57 AM
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Louis Blair wrote:

I found a discussion of the matter on pages 309-313 of
Kings, Commoners and Knaves.


That's the material I was thinking of.

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Old December 25th 03, 05:57 PM
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"Louis Blair" wrote in message
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This has been discussed many times. I suggest looking
at the rec.games.chess.misc discussion in Google under
the heading:

Alekhine Controversy - Articles written by the World Chess Champion in 1941

Also, see entry 2688 in Chess Notes at the Chess Cafe.


Thanks. Judging from the articles in the Chess Notes, it seems
to me that there should be no controversy at all. Incidentally,
did Max Euwe after the war try to justify having taken part
in a tournament in nazi Germany?

Marco


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Old December 27th 03, 06:08 PM
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Marco wrote: Incidentally, did Max Euwe after the war try to justify having
taken part
in a tournament in nazi Germany?

I believe Euwe played in only one tournament on German soil during the time
of Nazi rule. That would be Bad Nauheim in May 1937, where he won ahead of
Alekhine, Bogolyubov, and Saemisch. However, that was before the war and before
the Nazi genocide program was commonly known, so Euwe incurred no
"collaborationist" stigma from it. During the war he scrupulously avoided
playing in Nazi-sponsored events, and certainly never expressed pro-Nazi or
anti-Semitic sentiments, and thus unlike Alekhine had nothing to "justify."

Taylor Kingston


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Old December 28th 03, 07:02 AM
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KINGSTON IS THREE-QUARTERS RIGHT

By Larry Parr

I believe Euwe played in only one tournament on German soil during the time
of Nazi rule. That would be Bad Nauheim in May 1937, where he won ahead of
Alekhine, Bogolyubov, and Saemisch. However, that was before the war and before
the Nazi genocide program was commonly known, so Euwe incurred no
"collaborationist" stigma from it. During the war he scrupulously avoided
playing in Nazi-sponsored events, and certainly never expressed pro-Nazi or
anti-Semitic sentiments, and thus unlike Alekhine had nothing to "justify."
-- Taylor Kingston

These days, Euwe has nothing to explain, even were he still alive. True
enough. But one must remember that in the political climate of the 1940s, a
lot of people with nothing to explain were called upon to explain, given the
p.c. of that period.

If Mr. Kingston is talking about genocide in 1937, there was no such
program if the word "genocide" is not to be shorn of its meaning. If he is
talking about forced sterilization and elimination of the insane, etc., then he
is talking about murder of categories of people based on something other than
race or tribal grouping.

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Old December 28th 03, 03:55 PM
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TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL

I have been given a heavenly gift: Larry Parr has said I was mostly right about
something! Oh, great glory and splendor, all my dreams have come true!

True, it was inaccurate for me to speak of Nazi "genocide" in 1937; though
anti-Semitic persecution was strongly in force by then, the policy of
systematic mass extermination had not yet begun. I will have to bear the guilt
of my error the rest of my life.

But now I can do that with a glad heart! Larry has said I was three-fourths
right! This is about as good as any mere mortal can expect, standing before the
Throne of Wisdom and Justice. I feel like I have been touched by an angel.

Humbly, Taylor Kingston

 




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