"crossroads" wrote in message ...
Peter is crossposting his foreign messages in the Dutch (language) groups
too. Mark was just asking him to keep to the charter of the Dutch news group
and stop posting these messages. But Peter does not seem to have any
manners.

Discussing the article of the Russian author translated into English
and placed on the Dutch chess site is forbidden in Dutch chess groups?
What is wrong with it?

That is what I thought: not a single serious agument. So, nothing to discuss.


"Jerzy" wrote in message ...
"Todd E. Flambers" wrote in message
om...
You mean his sister`s name is not Joanna ? So what`s the big deal about
it ?
It doesn`t imply that he didn`t talk to her.

First Bebchuk calls her Joanna and then at the end of the article she
is already called Carolina. He does not even remember her exact name
but "remembers" the things she never said!

What things did she never say ? Were you an eye-witness of their
conversation some decades ago ? Maybe the memory of an old-man Bebchuk
doesn`t serve him well and therefore he forgot her name ? But still it`s not
a fairy-tale. His story may be as well true.



2. He states that Regina Fischer never studied in Moscow and that she
stayed
a nurse for the rest of her life.

Again : so what`s the big deal about it ?
Are you from FBI and try to prove that Regina Fischer was a KGB agent ?

I never said she was a KGB agent and I think she was not. But it is
very interesting why Bebchuck denies a well known fact, confirmed by
the FBI file, that Regina Fischer lived in the USSR for 6 years. And
of course Fischer's sister knew about it and can't have said that her
mother never lived in Moscow and was against their journey. It is a
lie made up by Bebchuck.


Living in CCCP and studying there are two different things.

3. He says that Fischer overreacted on the question if his mother is
Jewish as if nobody never asked him this question.

As Fischer heard the question about his mother thousands of times, he
can't have reacted as if he was asked for the first time and shocked
by the question.

Very funny: you answer to yourself
I `m not a psychologist but I remember a psychiatrist wrote here on rgcm an
interesting article on Fischer and stated that he was emotionally unbalanced
to put it mildly.



OK let`s start again : where are your alleged fairy-tales and what has
Lubyanka in common with them ? Do you refer to Lubyanka prison ?

Follow the link to the article about Bebchuk
http://exile.ru/143/143100800.html
and you'll know "what has Lubyanka in common" .

Sorry, "eXile" who played Bebchuk is a real patzer ))
I do not judge chess players by where they live but by how good they play
chess.

Next time you could shorten the title because epithets like "master from
Lubyanka rewrites the biography of Regina Fischer" explains nth.


I`m afraid that you create fairy-tales not Bebchuk who personally
met
Fischer and only describes the meeting with him and his sister in his
article.

You think I am the only one seeing fairy tales? Read the introduction
to the article written by Peter van der Hoog on his site:

"The author proclaims himself a witness of the past, as opposed to
connoisseurs who cook up crazy stories for the sake of sensation. It's
unclear which cooked up stories Bebchuck refers to but his own story
seems a clear example of a cooked up story. He recalls an interview
with Joana Fischer in 1958 (later he calls her Caroline Fischer) but
the details are so unusual, that it is hard to believe they are true.

Another story, a dinner with Fischer, might be authentic. We recognize
the Fischer from the radio-interviews, although one reaction is
atypical. On Bebchuck's question if his mother is Jewish, Fischer gets
very angry and runs away. Fischer connoisseurs surely remember Petra
Dautov asking Fischer the same question in 1990. Then Fischer simply
denied his mother was Jewish. Also in the radio-interviews Fischer
answers the same question several times "it's their own definition!",
as well without getting angry."

When you can prove it wrong and have any serious argumentse to add, go
ahead. If not, sorry, I am too busy now to keep up a senseless flame.

OK you two : Todd Flambers and Peter van Hoog see fairy-tales where I can`t
see.
I don`t think Fischer deserves so much attention from my side. He went crazy
and even if he was a great chess player he doesn`t deserve my sympathy any
more. Surely I won`t be a connoisseur of Fischer`s biography like you two
))

BTW Have you met Fischer personally like Bebchuk ? If it`s so then I will
read your article with interest.

Regards,
Jerzy

"Peter van der Hoog" wrote in message ...
I don`t think Fischer deserves so much attention from my side.

You can find back in the newsgroups lenghty and detailed discussions about
Paul Morphy. Paul Morphy also does not deserve so much attention?

If it`s so then I will read your article with interest.

Which article? Or do you really mean you did not read Bebchuk's article yet?

I haven't read Bebchuk's article as well. But on the account of Todd
that Bebchuk cannot even get the facts right, then I concur that it's
really a Russian fairy tale that he wrote.

Joanna...Caroline? Regina did not live in Moscow? Studying in Moscow
for 6 years is living in Moscow for 6 years.

I wonder if this Bebchuk guy is the same as Sam Sloan or Tim Krabbe?
Just wondering...

Lance Smith

And who is Peter van der Hoog?
Never heard of him!

So what?

"Todd E. Flambers" schreef in bericht
om...
| And who is Peter van der Hoog?
| Never heard of him!
|
| So what?

Well, if you say someone else is a provincial like Peter did, you have to be
somebody yourself. But Peter seems to be a nobody.

"Liam Too" wrote in message
om...

Which article? Or do you really mean you did not read Bebchuk's article
yet?

I haven't read Bebchuk's article as well. But on the account of Todd
that Bebchuk cannot even get the facts right, then I concur that it's
really a Russian fairy tale that he wrote.

Joanna...Caroline? Regina did not live in Moscow? Studying in Moscow
for 6 years is living in Moscow for 6 years.

Oh, man : just read it. Don`t you know English ? Myself I prefer the Russian
one.
Joana or Carolina ? Sure a mistake but not so big. BTW do you know her name
: Joana or Carolina ?
As far as Regina Fischer`s studies in Moscow from 1933 till 1938 and then
marriage with German biophysician Fischer in 1939 I understand that Bebchuk
critices not these facts but the fact that FBI suspected that "they were
taken into service by the powerful Russian KGB." Read carefully the whole
article.



I wonder if this Bebchuk guy is the same as Sam Sloan or Tim Krabbe?
Just wondering...

Lance, you made me laugh too. You look for antagonists here in usenet not
for the facts. I find Sam Sloan and Peter van Hoog very similar. They are
both crossposting and van Hoog is even topposting everybody around. Looks
like some kind of la folie de grandeur

Regards,
Jerzy

"Liam Too" wrote in message
om...

Which article? Or do you really mean you did not read Bebchuk's article
yet?

I haven't read Bebchuk's article as well. But on the account of Todd
that Bebchuk cannot even get the facts right, then I concur that it's
really a Russian fairy tale that he wrote.

Joanna...Caroline? Regina did not live in Moscow? Studying in Moscow
for 6 years is living in Moscow for 6 years.

Oh, man : just read it. Don`t you know English ? Myself I prefer the Russian
one.
Joana or Carolina ? Sure a mistake but not so big. BTW do you know her name:
Joana or Carolina ?

As far as Regina Fischer`s studies in Moscow from 1933 till 1938 and her
marriage with German biophysician (Fischer) in Moscow are concerned, I
understand that Bebchuk criticizes not these facts but the fact that FBI
suspected that "they were taken into service by the powerful Russian KGB."
Read carefully the whole article. Sure, Todd Flambers made a mistake here.


I wonder if this Bebchuk guy is the same as Sam Sloan or Tim Krabbe?
Just wondering...

Lance, you made me laugh too. You look for antagonists here in usenet not
for the facts. However I find Sam Sloan and Peter van Hoog very similar (but
not Tim Krabbe - BTW he has a great chess site). They are both crossposting
and van Hoog is even topposting everybody around. Looks like some kind of la
folie de grandeur

Regards,
Jerzy

The charter states that only postings in the Dutch language are OK.

"Todd E. Flambers" schreef in bericht
om...
"crossroads" wrote in message
...
Peter is crossposting his foreign messages in the Dutch (language)
groups
too. Mark was just asking him to keep to the charter of the Dutch news
group
and stop posting these messages. But Peter does not seem to have any
manners.

Discussing the article of the Russian author translated into English
and placed on the Dutch chess site is forbidden in Dutch chess groups?
What is wrong with it?

I attack Sam Sloan because he is a paedophile and a cheap whore. Why a
paedophile? Have a look at his a website. Why a cheap whore? Sam has no
pride, he doews everything just to get some attention. Often I find Sam's
contributions very interesting but the pest is that you can't trust him for
one bit.

Peter van der Hoog


"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:25:31 +0100, "Taco"
wrote:
Peter van der Hoog is a man who attacks me almost every day and I have
no idea who he is or why he attacks me.

Sam Sloan knows very well why I attack him. I attack him because he is a
pedophile and a cheap whore. Why a pedophile? Have a look at his a website.
Why a cheap whore? Because Sam sells his soul, just to get attention (I hope
I'm not insulting cheap whores).

I find it all a pity because a lot of Sam's contributions are very
interesting. But can we trust Sam Sloan? I don't think so. Sam should take
Tim Krabbe as an example. Krabbe also double-checks his sources before
publishing them and more important, Krabbe is not a pedophile.
Peter van der Hoog

"Jerzy" wrote in message ...

Oh, man : just read it. Don`t you know English ? Myself I prefer the Russian
one.

Why not in Polish? Did you know that Karol Wojtyla was/is a
chessplayer?

Joana or Carolina ? Sure a mistake but not so big. BTW do you know her name:
Joana or Carolina ?

Joan

As far as Regina Fischer`s studies in Moscow from 1933 till 1938 and her
marriage with German biophysician (Fischer) in Moscow are concerned, I
understand that Bebchuk criticizes not these facts but the fact that FBI
suspected that "they were taken into service by the powerful Russian KGB."
Read carefully the whole article. Sure, Todd Flambers made a mistake here.

It's a well known fact that Gerhardt Fischer was a communist. He
opposed Hitler!
I don't know about Regina.

Lance, you made me laugh too. You look for antagonists here in usenet not
for the facts. However I find Sam Sloan and Peter van Hoog very similar (but
not Tim Krabbe - BTW he has a great chess site). They are both crossposting
and van Hoog is even topposting everybody around. Looks like some kind of la
folie de grandeur

Regards, Jerzy

I'm just glad that I made you laugh. But Krabbe is a well known
Fischer basher without an immediate or direct cause.

Lance