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"Bob Musicant" wrote in message
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"ray doetsch" wrote in message
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The USCF has had a chronic illness for years. Now it will soon die.
The ultimate cause of its demise, other than extremely poor and
inefficient management, is something over which it had no
control,namely,the COMPUTER.This invention has eliminated the main
reason for the USCF in that no longer is it necessary to attend
tournaments to play. Furthermore, internet servers like FICS
and ICC(if you want to pay a membership fee) have removed the long,
often boring,onerous, and often costly week-end Swiss tournaments. I
have played more people from more countries than on internet chess
than I ever did as a USCF member. True, the play is not quite like
OTB, and there may be some cheating, but all in all this is the
coupe
de gras for the USCF. Comments ?

Ray,

I may be totally old-fashioned for feeling so, but as far as I am
concerned,
the only "real" chess is over-the-board, a clock next to it, with an
initial
time control of two hours.

While online chess has been a blow to the viability of the USCF, and
may
ultimately do it in, serious management errors for many years prior
to
the
wired era had the organization in trouble years before.

Bob Musicant





Over the board chess is called "over-the-board" chess. Online chess is
called (you guessed it) "online chess". Neither one is more "real" than
the
other, just different. If OTB was so much more "real", then why is it
losing
so much ground to it's online counterpart?

Personally, I enjoy both forms of the game. OTB is nice for it's
visceral
and social qualities, and online affords the convience of play at any
hour,
any time control desired, any strength of opponent, and the opportunity
to
play people from around the world. Just like the ridiculous suggestion
that
blitz/bullet chess is somehow "not chess". Usually the only people
making
such absurd remarks are those that have no ability at that form of the
game,
and so to protect their fragile egos, they claim it isn't real chess.
Chess
is chess, whether its played underwater, blindfold, or at fast time
controls.

For once I agree with Jason. He made a good point of describing the pluses
for OTB play and On-line play.
Leopold



For once you come to your senses! Perhaps this can be the beginning of a new
profile for you and you will relinquish your troll ways.

(ray doetsch) wrote in message . com...
The USCF has had a chronic illness for years. Now it will soon die.
The ultimate cause of its demise, other than extremely poor and
inefficient management, is something over which it had no
control,namely,the COMPUTER.This invention has eliminated the main
reason for the USCF in that no longer is it necessary to attend
tournaments to play. Furthermore, internet servers like FICS
and ICC(if you want to pay a membership fee) have removed the long,
often boring,onerous, and often costly week-end Swiss tournaments. I
have played more people from more countries than on internet chess
than I ever did as a USCF member. True, the play is not quite like
OTB, and there may be some cheating, but all in all this is the coupe
de gras for the USCF. Comments ?

One comment: the expression is "coup de grace." "coup" is pronounced
as "koo" and "grace" is pronounced as "grahs." If you want to be
supertechnical about it, you can put a circumflex accent on the letter
"a" but the French Academy feels that the circumflex has outlived its
day.

David Ames

"newsgroup__mail" wrote in message
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"Bob Musicant" wrote in message
...
"ray doetsch" wrote in message
om...
The USCF has had a chronic illness for years. Now it will soon die.
The ultimate cause of its demise, other than extremely poor and
inefficient management, is something over which it had no
control,namely,the COMPUTER.This invention has eliminated the main
reason for the USCF in that no longer is it necessary to attend
tournaments to play. Furthermore, internet servers like FICS
and ICC(if you want to pay a membership fee) have removed the long,
often boring,onerous, and often costly week-end Swiss tournaments. I
have played more people from more countries than on internet chess
than I ever did as a USCF member. True, the play is not quite like
OTB, and there may be some cheating, but all in all this is the coupe
de gras for the USCF. Comments ?

Ray,

I may be totally old-fashioned for feeling so, but as far as I am
concerned,
the only "real" chess is over-the-board, a clock next to it, with an
initial
time control of two hours.

While online chess has been a blow to the viability of the USCF, and may
ultimately do it in, serious management errors for many years prior to
the
wired era had the organization in trouble years before.

Bob Musicant





Over the board chess is called "over-the-board" chess. Online chess is
called (you guessed it) "online chess". Neither one is more "real" than
the
other, just different. If OTB was so much more "real", then why is it
losing
so much ground to it's online counterpart?

Personally, I enjoy both forms of the game. OTB is nice for it's visceral
and social qualities, and online affords the convience of play at any
hour,
any time control desired, any strength of opponent, and the opportunity to
play people from around the world. Just like the ridiculous suggestion
that
blitz/bullet chess is somehow "not chess". Usually the only people making
such absurd remarks are those that have no ability at that form of the
game,
and so to protect their fragile egos, they claim it isn't real chess.
Chess
is chess, whether its played underwater, blindfold, or at fast time
controls.

I don't agree with all these points, but it's nice to see Jason can
coherently participate in some positive, on-topic discussions on this forum
for once. Perhaps he's turned over a new leaf? One can only hope....

Regards,

Matt

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"King Leopold" wrote in message
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"newsgroup__mail" wrote in
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"Bob Musicant" wrote in message
...
"ray doetsch" wrote in message
om...
The USCF has had a chronic illness for years. Now it will soon
die.
The ultimate cause of its demise, other than extremely poor and
inefficient management, is something over which it had no
control,namely,the COMPUTER.This invention has eliminated the main
reason for the USCF in that no longer is it necessary to attend
tournaments to play. Furthermore, internet servers like FICS
and ICC(if you want to pay a membership fee) have removed the
long,
often boring,onerous, and often costly week-end Swiss tournaments.
I
have played more people from more countries than on internet chess
than I ever did as a USCF member. True, the play is not quite like
OTB, and there may be some cheating, but all in all this is the
coupe
de gras for the USCF. Comments ?

Ray,

I may be totally old-fashioned for feeling so, but as far as I am
concerned,
the only "real" chess is over-the-board, a clock next to it, with an
initial
time control of two hours.

While online chess has been a blow to the viability of the USCF, and
may
ultimately do it in, serious management errors for many years prior
to
the
wired era had the organization in trouble years before.

Bob Musicant





Over the board chess is called "over-the-board" chess. Online chess is
called (you guessed it) "online chess". Neither one is more "real"
than
the
other, just different. If OTB was so much more "real", then why is it
losing
so much ground to it's online counterpart?

Personally, I enjoy both forms of the game. OTB is nice for it's
visceral
and social qualities, and online affords the convience of play at any
hour,
any time control desired, any strength of opponent, and the
opportunity
to
play people from around the world. Just like the ridiculous suggestion
that
blitz/bullet chess is somehow "not chess". Usually the only people
making
such absurd remarks are those that have no ability at that form of the
game,
and so to protect their fragile egos, they claim it isn't real chess.
Chess
is chess, whether its played underwater, blindfold, or at fast time
controls.

For once I agree with Jason. He made a good point of describing the
pluses
for OTB play and On-line play.
Leopold



For once you come to your senses! Perhaps this can be the beginning of a
new
profile for you and you will relinquish your troll ways.

Belay my last......

MN

Belay my last......

MN



Troll will be trolls eh Nemmers? One question kiddo.....will you ever grow
up?






ps

Nemmers, I was very impressed with your sudden rise from 700 to 800 uscf as
your uscf rating history clearly shows back in August of 2000.




Rating History for
MATTHEW ROBERT NEMMERS
USCF ID 12763067 Expires 05-04 State ILLINOIS

Source Regular
Rating Quick
Rating


10-02 Supplement 1235 1252/13
08-02 Supplement 1119
06-02 Supplement 1126
04-02 Supplement 1031
12-01 Annual List 1029
10-01 Supplement 1048
06-01 Supplement 1046
12-00 Annual List 904
10-00 Supplement 854
08-00 Supplement 810/19
06-00 Supplement 798/13
02-00 Supplement 1010/09
12-99 Annual List 804/04
10-99 Supplement 804/04






Did that sudden rating point gain occur when you learned that pawns can move
one or two squares for their first move?

Tell me idiot, what did I publish that was untrue? I copied and pasted that
rating information off of the uscf website. It is your rating history. 100%
accurate. This, of course, can easily be confirmed by anyone that cares to
go to the uscf site.

You, on the other hand, continue to post lies and untruths. Everyone knows
that I have no uscf rating and that I have never played chess in the USA.
Any moron could have played a chess tournament in the states and given my
name as they don't even ask for ID at most events......well, almost
anyone.....in your wildest dreams you would never get to 1700+ Nemmers so I
know it wasn't you.

"Matt Nemmers" wrote in message
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"newsgroup__mail" wrote in message
news:VVe0c.624087$JQ1.289366@pd7tw1no...

"Bob Musicant" wrote in message
...
"ray doetsch" wrote in message
om...
The USCF has had a chronic illness for years. Now it will soon die.
The ultimate cause of its demise, other than extremely poor and
inefficient management, is something over which it had no
control,namely,the COMPUTER.This invention has eliminated the main
reason for the USCF in that no longer is it necessary to attend
tournaments to play. Furthermore, internet servers like FICS
and ICC(if you want to pay a membership fee) have removed the long,
often boring,onerous, and often costly week-end Swiss tournaments. I
have played more people from more countries than on internet chess
than I ever did as a USCF member. True, the play is not quite like
OTB, and there may be some cheating, but all in all this is the
coupe
de gras for the USCF. Comments ?

Ray,

I may be totally old-fashioned for feeling so, but as far as I am
concerned,
the only "real" chess is over-the-board, a clock next to it, with an
initial
time control of two hours.

While online chess has been a blow to the viability of the USCF, and
may
ultimately do it in, serious management errors for many years prior
to
the
wired era had the organization in trouble years before.

Bob Musicant





Over the board chess is called "over-the-board" chess. Online chess is
called (you guessed it) "online chess". Neither one is more "real" than
the
other, just different. If OTB was so much more "real", then why is it
losing
so much ground to it's online counterpart?

Personally, I enjoy both forms of the game. OTB is nice for it's
visceral
and social qualities, and online affords the convience of play at any
hour,
any time control desired, any strength of opponent, and the opportunity
to
play people from around the world. Just like the ridiculous suggestion
that
blitz/bullet chess is somehow "not chess". Usually the only people
making
such absurd remarks are those that have no ability at that form of the
game,
and so to protect their fragile egos, they claim it isn't real chess.
Chess
is chess, whether its played underwater, blindfold, or at fast time
controls.

I don't agree with all these points, but it's nice to see Jason can
coherently participate in some positive, on-topic discussions on this
forum
for once. Perhaps he's turned over a new leaf? One can only hope....

Regards,

Matt






Still trolling eh Nemmers? I noticed that you didn't have anything to
contribute to the thread (such as what a legitimate poster would do). You
only post to harass and annoy.






ps.

Nemmers, I was very impressed with your sudden rise from 700 to 800 uscf as
your uscf rating history clearly shows back in August of 2000.



Rating History for
MATTHEW ROBERT NEMMERS
USCF ID 12763067 Expires 05-04 State ILLINOIS

Source Regular
Rating Quick
Rating


10-02 Supplement 1235 1252/13
08-02 Supplement 1119
06-02 Supplement 1126
04-02 Supplement 1031
12-01 Annual List 1029
10-01 Supplement 1048
06-01 Supplement 1046
12-00 Annual List 904
10-00 Supplement 854
08-00 Supplement 810/19
06-00 Supplement 798/13
02-00 Supplement 1010/09
12-99 Annual List 804/04
10-99 Supplement 804/04






Did that sudden rating point gain occur when you learned that pawns can move
one or two squares for their first move?

Tell me idiot, what did I publish that was untrue? I copied and pasted that
rating information off of the uscf website. It is your rating history. 100%
accurate. This, of course, can easily be confirmed by anyone that cares to
go to the uscf site.

You, on the other hand, continue to post lies and untruths. Everyone knows
that I have no uscf rating and that I have never played chess in the USA.
Any moron could have played a chess tournament in the states and given my
name as they don't even ask for ID at most events......well, almost
anyone.....in your wildest dreams you would never get to 1700+ Nemmers so I
know it wasn't you.