Simon wrote (2004-03-14 23:50:37 PST):

Tim,

Have you got a 'Chess Trivia Game' ?

_
"Here are some of the things I did:
...
Invented a new chess trivia board game, which
may be in production as soon as February. It
was a labor of love to work on the graphic
design of the board, the box, and the game
cards. (Graphic design is one of the things I
do in my day job). It hasn't been a labor of
love to conduct hours of copyright research,
but into each life some rain must fall. There
is a lot of humor in this game, and I think
many of you will enjoy it. The only downside
is that it will be a rather pricey, high-end
item, for two reasons: (a) I will only do
something if it is going to be high-quality;
and (b) I am paying for everything myself, so
can't afford a large initial production run.
Frankly this is never going to appeal to the
mass market anyway. It will only appeal to
hardcore chessplayers. But if I do say so, it
looks beautiful. :-) I am hoping USCF will
put it in their catalog as a fun gift item,
sort of like the high-end chess sets they
offer by arrangement with third-party vendors."
- Timothy Hanke (2003-01-16 08:22:51 PST)


"My chess trivia game does not currently exist
in salable form, and I have no plans to produce
it, let alone sell it to or through USCF."
- Timothy Hanke (2003-07-20 20:06:25 PST)

(Louis Blair) wrote in message . com...
Simon wrote (2004-03-14 23:50:37 PST):

Tim,

Have you got a 'Chess Trivia Game' ?

_
"Here are some of the things I did:
...
Invented a new chess trivia board game, which
may be in production as soon as February. It
was a labor of love to work on the graphic
design of the board, the box, and the game
cards. (Graphic design is one of the things I
do in my day job). It hasn't been a labor of
love to conduct hours of copyright research,
but into each life some rain must fall. There
is a lot of humor in this game, and I think
many of you will enjoy it. The only downside
is that it will be a rather pricey, high-end
item, for two reasons: (a) I will only do
something if it is going to be high-quality;
and (b) I am paying for everything myself, so
can't afford a large initial production run.
Frankly this is never going to appeal to the
mass market anyway. It will only appeal to
hardcore chessplayers. But if I do say so, it
looks beautiful. :-) I am hoping USCF will
put it in their catalog as a fun gift item,
sort of like the high-end chess sets they
offer by arrangement with third-party vendors."
- Timothy Hanke (2003-01-16 08:22:51 PST)


"My chess trivia game does not currently exist
in salable form, and I have no plans to produce
it, let alone sell it to or through USCF."
- Timothy Hanke (2003-07-20 20:06:25 PST)

Get a life, Louis.

Vince Hart

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:00:27 -0500, "StanB"
wrote:


"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...

What happened is that the USCF refused to agree to sell Tim Hanke's
Chess Trivia Game on a drop ship basis. In retaliation, Tim Hanke ran
for election, as a way to force the USCF to sell his game.

After being elected, Tim Hanke at first expressed satisfaction with
the USCF B&E operation, but when the USCF still would not agree to
publish and sell Tim's game, Tim got himself elected VP of Finance and
started looking for someone else who would be willing to sell his
game. Malcolm Pein in England came forward and Tim Hanke decided to
give away the entire USCF B&E operation to Pein in return for which
Pein would consider publishing Hanke's game.

Then Goichberg got himself appointed Executive Director and before the
B&E operation could be handed over to Pein, Goichberg said that he
could make a better deal. He got Chess Cafe to agree to a better deal
with some financial guarantees which Pein was unwilling to offer and
that is how Chess Cafe got the deal.

Meanwhiule, Hanke has been sulking and the fate of his Chess Trivia
game is unknown, at least to us.

A newsgroup first. Sam writes a parody.

StanB

That was not intended to be a parody. Here is what Tim Hanke posted on
February 25, 2003 under "My chess trivia game":

Mike,

I would rather suppose something that works. Let's suppose my game
retails for $25 and I cut the USCF in for 25%. The USCF makes $6.25 on
every game, not bad considering they have no money tied up in
inventory.

Instead of phoning or faxing the orders, USCF could use this clever
new technology called email.

I don't know if this is good for USCF or not. It doesn't sound worse
to me than their profit on a lot of books they sell. Consider, too,
they have to tie up cash by buying those books, and they have to rent
space to store the books.

Standard bookseller margin on books is 45%, if I'm not mistaken (often
less when books are discounted). I think 25% margin on a dropship item
is reasonable. What do you think?

Tim Hanke
--
I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the
2003 election. Please visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.

Perhaps Sam did not write a parody, but apparently he didn't consider
that maybe Tim Hanke did?

John

Sam Sloan wrote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:00:27 -0500, "StanB"
wrote:


"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...


What happened is that the USCF refused to agree to sell Tim Hanke's
Chess Trivia Game on a drop ship basis. In retaliation, Tim Hanke ran
for election, as a way to force the USCF to sell his game.

After being elected, Tim Hanke at first expressed satisfaction with
the USCF B&E operation, but when the USCF still would not agree to
publish and sell Tim's game, Tim got himself elected VP of Finance and
started looking for someone else who would be willing to sell his
game. Malcolm Pein in England came forward and Tim Hanke decided to
give away the entire USCF B&E operation to Pein in return for which
Pein would consider publishing Hanke's game.

Then Goichberg got himself appointed Executive Director and before the
B&E operation could be handed over to Pein, Goichberg said that he
could make a better deal. He got Chess Cafe to agree to a better deal
with some financial guarantees which Pein was unwilling to offer and
that is how Chess Cafe got the deal.

Meanwhiule, Hanke has been sulking and the fate of his Chess Trivia
game is unknown, at least to us.

A newsgroup first. Sam writes a parody.

StanB


That was not intended to be a parody. Here is what Tim Hanke posted on
February 25, 2003 under "My chess trivia game":

Mike,

I would rather suppose something that works. Let's suppose my game
retails for $25 and I cut the USCF in for 25%. The USCF makes $6.25 on
every game, not bad considering they have no money tied up in
inventory.

Instead of phoning or faxing the orders, USCF could use this clever
new technology called email.

I don't know if this is good for USCF or not. It doesn't sound worse
to me than their profit on a lot of books they sell. Consider, too,
they have to tie up cash by buying those books, and they have to rent
space to store the books.

Standard bookseller margin on books is 45%, if I'm not mistaken (often
less when books are discounted). I think 25% margin on a dropship item
is reasonable. What do you think?

Tim Hanke
--
I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the
2003 election. Please visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:47:24 -0500, John A Swartz
wrote:

Perhaps Sam did not write a parody, but apparently he didn't consider
that maybe Tim Hanke did?

John

Tim Hanke posted around 50 to 100 times to the chess newsgroups about
his chess trivia game, about his demands that the USCF sell his game
on a drop ship basis and about his complaints that Frank Niro would
not even respond to his persistent emails about this.

If he was just joking, Tim Hanke certainly wasted a lot of his time, a
lot of our time and a lot of the time of the USCF staff and Executive
Board with his jokes.

Sam Sloan

(Sam Sloan) writes:

If he was just joking, Tim Hanke certainly wasted a lot of his time, a
lot of our time and a lot of the time of the USCF staff and Executive
Board with his jokes.

This coming from the all-time rgcp expert on bandwidth wasting.
--
Mike Nolan

50 to 100 times? Maybe Sam posted about it that many times, but I
certainly don't recall seeing that many posts from Tim...

Sam Sloan wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:47:24 -0500, John A Swartz
wrote:


Perhaps Sam did not write a parody, but apparently he didn't consider
that maybe Tim Hanke did?

John


Tim Hanke posted around 50 to 100 times to the chess newsgroups about
his chess trivia game, about his demands that the USCF sell his game
on a drop ship basis and about his complaints that Frank Niro would
not even respond to his persistent emails about this.

If he was just joking, Tim Hanke certainly wasted a lot of his time, a
lot of our time and a lot of the time of the USCF staff and Executive
Board with his jokes.

Sam Sloan

On 31 Mar 2004 16:59:30 GMT, (Mike Nolan) wrote:

(Sam Sloan) writes:

If he was just joking, Tim Hanke certainly wasted a lot of his time, a
lot of our time and a lot of the time of the USCF staff and Executive
Board with his jokes.

This coming from the all-time rgcp expert on bandwidth wasting.
--
Mike Nolan

You will recall that it was mostly Tim Hanke and Mike Nolan debating
this issue, back in late 2002 and early 2003. Mike Nolan was like a
patient teacher, trying to teach Tim Hanke the basics of the book
business. Tim Hanke was responding like an unruly child, who thinks he
already knows it all and refuses to learn.

I recommend that anybody interested do a search for the words "Chess
Trivia Game" Mike Nolan and Timothy Hanke. You find find hundreds of
posts on this issue, all of which showed that Mike Nolan knew what he
was writing about, whereas Tim Hanke knew nothing, absolutely zero,
about the subject.

Sam Sloa

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:26:50 GMT, (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

On 31 Mar 2004 16:59:30 GMT, (Mike Nolan) wrote:

(Sam Sloan) writes:

If he was just joking, Tim Hanke certainly wasted a lot of his time, a
lot of our time and a lot of the time of the USCF staff and Executive
Board with his jokes.

This coming from the all-time rgcp expert on bandwidth wasting.
--
Mike Nolan

You will recall that it was mostly Tim Hanke and Mike Nolan debating
this issue, back in late 2002 and early 2003. Mike Nolan was like a
patient teacher, trying to teach Tim Hanke the basics of the book
business. Tim Hanke was responding like an unruly child, who thinks he
already knows it all and refuses to learn.

I recommend that anybody interested do a search for the words "Chess
Trivia Game" Mike Nolan and Timothy Hanke. You find find hundreds of
posts on this issue, all of which showed that Mike Nolan knew what he
was writing about, whereas Tim Hanke knew nothing, absolutely zero,
about the subject.

Sam Sloa



Sam,

Where were you suggesting people search?

When I do a search at www.google.com of just the terms "chess'
"trivia" "game" and "hanke" I got 28 hits. Exploring a bit further I
found that only three of these refer to Tim or Timothy Hanke. None of
these seem to be anyone (Tim included) promoting the game.


Mike Ogush

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:56:09 GMT, (Mike Ogush)
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:26:50 GMT, (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

On 31 Mar 2004 16:59:30 GMT, (Mike Nolan) wrote:

(Sam Sloan) writes:

If he was just joking, Tim Hanke certainly wasted a lot of his time, a
lot of our time and a lot of the time of the USCF staff and Executive
Board with his jokes.

This coming from the all-time rgcp expert on bandwidth wasting.
--
Mike Nolan

You will recall that it was mostly Tim Hanke and Mike Nolan debating
this issue, back in late 2002 and early 2003. Mike Nolan was like a
patient teacher, trying to teach Tim Hanke the basics of the book
business. Tim Hanke was responding like an unruly child, who thinks he
already knows it all and refuses to learn.

I recommend that anybody interested do a search for the words "Chess
Trivia Game" Mike Nolan and Timothy Hanke. You find find hundreds of
posts on this issue, all of which showed that Mike Nolan knew what he
was writing about, whereas Tim Hanke knew nothing, absolutely zero,
about the subject.

Sam Sloan



Sam,

Where were you suggesting people search?

When I do a search at www.google.com of just the terms "chess'
"trivia" "game" and "hanke" I got 28 hits. Exploring a bit further I
found that only three of these refer to Tim or Timothy Hanke. None of
these seem to be anyone (Tim included) promoting the game.


Mike Ogush

You have not searched very well. Here are a few examples. It is true
that many times Hanke was obviously being sarcastic. However, there
were other times when he was clearly quite serious. This issue first
came to the attention of this group in 2002 when Hanke started
complaining that Frank Niro was not responding to his emails about his
chess trivia game. Now we know the reason that Frank Niro was not
responding. Hanke refused to take "no" for an answer and kept
bombarding Niro with emails, just as he later bombarded us with
newsgroup postings on this issue. Here are a few examples:

Subject: Chesstours' True Identity Revealed
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: 2003-04-30 06:46:30 PST

I will force USCF to produce my chess trivia game at membership
expense, and feature it on the cover of their next catalog.

Tim Hanke

From: Tim Hanke )
Subject: The Summer of Love
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: 2003-06-06 07:48:39 PST

If I win a Board seat, the "Campaign of Love" will become the "Summer
of Love." In the first 100 Days of my regime I plan to --

1. Fill the USCF catalog with products from the "House of Hanke,"
especially my excellent chess trivia game, but also whatever chess
products I can buy cheaply in India and sell through USCF at 500%
markup for my personal profit.

On May 30, 2003, Tim Hanke wrote:

If I get elected to the Board, can I sell my chess trivia game in the
front pages of the USCF catalog? Tim Hanke -- I am a candidate for the
U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the 2003 election. Please
visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.

Date: 2003-05-02 08:12:55 PST

If USCF wants some sharp layout and design and editing for their
publications, they could do worse than come to me. Why should Glenn be
the only one slurping at the trough? I have expenses too, you know.
Like this chess trivia game I am trying to get published.

Tim Hanke
--
I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the
2003 election. Please visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: 2003-03-18 19:17:24 PST

Maybe USCF will respond to my emails about my chess trivia game if I
tell them it is a homosexual chess trivia game produced by USCF staff
using company resources on their lunch hour. Couldn't hurt; might
help. Tim Hanke -- I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation
Executive Board in the 2003 election. Please visit my website at
http://www.timothyhanke.net.

Subject: My story and I'm sticking to it
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: 2003-02-25 11:48:39 PST

I have emailed the office twice with questions about whom to talk to
regarding my chess trivia game, to see if USCF wants to include it in
their catalog as a drop-ship item (i.e. USCF would not have to spend
cash on inventory, just forward the orders to the factory in Michigan
in exchange for a cut of the sales price), but so far, no responses
whatever. :-(

Tim Hanke