Boris Spassky and the solution to Fischer v Karpov

Bobby Fischer won the July to September 1972 match against Spassky +7 -2 =11

Spassky's results 1969 to 1972:

1970 Mar. USSR vs World, Belgrade YUG, board 1:Spassky-Larsen +1=1-1

1970 Apr.-May, Leiden NED(cat.15) 1.Spassky 7/12, 2.Donner 6, =3.Botvinnik
5.5, =3.Larsen 5.5

1970 Sep. Seigen Olympiad GER, 1st board 1.Larsen DEN 8/10 80%, 2.Spassky
URS 9.5/12 79.2%, 3.Fischer USA 10/13 76.9%, 4.Portisch HUN 10/15 66.7%

1971 Nov.-Dec. Alekhine Memorial, Moscow (Cat.14) =1.Karpov =1.Stein,
3.Smyslov 4.Tukmakov 5.Petrosian 6.Tal 7.Spassky 8.R.Byrne USA 9.Hort
10.Bronstein 11.Korchnoi

Reykjavik, VII-VIII, 1972.

Spassky B 2743
1
(1)
0
=
0
0
=
0
=
0
1
=
0
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
0

8.5

Fischer R 2918
0
(0)
1
=
1
1
=
1
=
1
0
=
1
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
1

12.5


Spassky's results 1972 to 1974:

1973 Oct. 41st Soviet Ch. Moscow, 1.Spassky 11.5/17, =2.Karpov 10.5,
=2.Petrosian 10.5, =2.Polugaevsky 10.5, =2.Korchnoi 10.5, =2.Kuzmin 10.5,
=7.Geller 8.5, =7.Grigorian 8.5, =9.Keres 8, =9.Savon 8, =9.Taimanov 8,
=9.Tal 8, =13.Tukmakov 7.5, =13.Rashkovsky 7.5, =15.Averkin 7, =15.Smyslov
7, 17.Sveshnikov 6.5, 18.Beliavsky 4.5.

San Juan, Puerto Rico, I, 1974.
Byrne R 2675
=
=
0
0
=
0

1.5

Spassky B 2703
=
=
1
1
=
1

4.5

Leningrad, IV-V, 1974.
Karpov A 2759
0
=
1
=
=
1
=
=
1
=
1

7.0

Spassky B 2705
1
=
0
=
=
0
=
=
0
=
0

4.0

1972
Spasski : 2743
Fischer : 2918
hmm
wow !
is it Fide Elo ?

regards
byrne


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...
Boris Spassky and the solution to Fischer v Karpov

Bobby Fischer won the July to September 1972 match against Spassky +7 -2
=11

Spassky's results 1969 to 1972:

1970 Mar. USSR vs World, Belgrade YUG, board 1:Spassky-Larsen +1=1-1

1970 Apr.-May, Leiden NED(cat.15) 1.Spassky 7/12, 2.Donner 6, =3.Botvinnik
5.5, =3.Larsen 5.5

1970 Sep. Seigen Olympiad GER, 1st board 1.Larsen DEN 8/10 80%, 2.Spassky
URS 9.5/12 79.2%, 3.Fischer USA 10/13 76.9%, 4.Portisch HUN 10/15 66.7%

1971 Nov.-Dec. Alekhine Memorial, Moscow (Cat.14) =1.Karpov =1.Stein,
3.Smyslov 4.Tukmakov 5.Petrosian 6.Tal 7.Spassky 8.R.Byrne USA 9.Hort
10.Bronstein 11.Korchnoi

Reykjavik, VII-VIII, 1972.

Spassky B 2743
1
(1)
0
=
0
0
=
0
=
0
1
=
0
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
0

8.5

Fischer R 2918
0
(0)
1
=
1
1
=
1
=
1
0
=
1
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
1

12.5


Spassky's results 1972 to 1974:

1973 Oct. 41st Soviet Ch. Moscow, 1.Spassky 11.5/17, =2.Karpov 10.5,
=2.Petrosian 10.5, =2.Polugaevsky 10.5, =2.Korchnoi 10.5, =2.Kuzmin 10.5,
=7.Geller 8.5, =7.Grigorian 8.5, =9.Keres 8, =9.Savon 8, =9.Taimanov 8,
=9.Tal 8, =13.Tukmakov 7.5, =13.Rashkovsky 7.5, =15.Averkin 7, =15.Smyslov
7, 17.Sveshnikov 6.5, 18.Beliavsky 4.5.

San Juan, Puerto Rico, I, 1974.
Byrne R 2675
=
=
0
0
=
0

1.5

Spassky B 2703
=
=
1
1
=
1

4.5

Leningrad, IV-V, 1974.
Karpov A 2759
0
=
1
=
=
1
=
=
1
=
1

7.0

Spassky B 2705
1
=
0
=
=
0
=
=
0
=
0

4.0

Hi byrne. I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, however I wanted to post my
opinion on this and couldn't find anywhere else to do it, so I'll do it as a
follow-up to your post.

How can they rate Fischer so high even though he has played far less few matches
than Kasparov, who has had amazing longevity at the top well into the 2800s?

To me, it seems Fischer's strongest case is that he was far ahead of his rivals.
An entire class ahead. That still doesn't mean he was stronger than Kasparov.
Kasparov at one time was a whole class ahead of his closest rival. I would like
to know how this site gathers all of this evidence to suggest Fischer had the
highest rating compared to other players. Knowledge is much higher today.
Fischer isn't dead, he has access to software and computers, just like he had
from 1972. Someone who says: "Fischer doesn't have the advantage that today's
players do" is not true. He does the advantage.

Kasparov is better than Fischer for his longevity alone. How many people can
honestly say that Fischer could've dominated chess for over 20 years!? You
really think Fischer had the skill, and determination to hold onto the top like
Kasparov did for over 20 years? I would've loved to make a wager.

Where does Chessmetrics get this stuff from? Anyway, yeah, these chessmetric
ratings are very suspect.

------------------------------------------------
"byrne" wrote in message ...
1972
Spasski : 2743
Fischer : 2918
hmm
wow !
is it Fide Elo ?

regards
byrne

"Laffer" wrote in message
...
Hi byrne. I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, however I wanted to
post my
opinion on this and couldn't find anywhere else to do it, so I'll do it as
a
follow-up to your post.

How can they rate Fischer so high even though he has played far less few
matches
than Kasparov, who has had amazing longevity at the top well into the
2800s?

To me, it seems Fischer's strongest case is that he was far ahead of his
rivals.
An entire class ahead. That still doesn't mean he was stronger than
Kasparov.
Kasparov at one time was a whole class ahead of his closest rival. I
would like
to know how this site gathers all of this evidence to suggest Fischer had
the
highest rating compared to other players. Knowledge is much higher today.
Fischer isn't dead, he has access to software and computers, just like he
had
from 1972. Someone who says: "Fischer doesn't have the advantage that
today's
players do" is not true. He does the advantage.

Kasparov is better than Fischer for his longevity alone. How many people
can
honestly say that Fischer could've dominated chess for over 20 years!? You
really think Fischer had the skill, and determination to hold onto the top
like
Kasparov did for over 20 years? I would've loved to make a wager.

Where does Chessmetrics get this stuff from? Anyway, yeah, these
chessmetric
ratings are very suspect.

Yeah.. I was trying to show that Karpov's record is better against Spassky
than Fischer's:

I mean that Spassky had better results and was stronger in 1974 than in
1972, so that a +4 -1 result is better than a +7 -2.

..
chessmetric
ratings are very suspect.

Yeah.. I was trying to show that Karpov's record is better against Spassky
than Fischer's:

I mean that Spassky had better results and was stronger in 1974 than in
1972, so that a +4 -1 result is better than a +7 -2.


Perhaps, but results against only a single player tell very little.

Heck, why not just compare Karpov's match result against Spassky directly
with Fischer's?

Why not speculate that Fischer was an "unstoppable force," who would have
mown down Karpov, just like he did so many others?

Or you could theorize that Karpov would have done to Fischer, precisely what
he did to the "unstoppable" Garry Kasparov, in 1985.

Or, you could just accept the reality that Fischer wouldn't play and move on
with your life, struggling to adapt to a cruel world in which the Russians
dominate world chess, and the United States dominates...baseball. :-)