"Fifiela" wrote in message
...
Executive orders are the law of the land, and have been in use since
before
the American Civil War.

I have a quaint notion: The government should be our servant and not our
master. Fischer had every right to go to Serbia to earn money from his
profession. Our right to travel should not be based on State Department
whims.
He also should have been able to go to Cuba in 1962 (?). You and I
should be
able to go to Cuba right now. I have no desire to go to Cuba but it
should be
my choice.

There are certainly 2 areas of contention about Fischer. The first is about
his chess game with Spassky which attained Government approbation, and is in
fact highly irregular even in International Law. There are very many
precedents which would challenge this anti-fiat. This issue does not seem to
be particularly controversial in the chess community.

The second aspect are the post 9/11 comments on which Government is silent,
but is highly controversial and resented by the chess community.

You think this is a fair [if brief] summary?

Passports weren't even required of US citizens to travel abroad until "an
executive order made on Dec. 15, 1915, required every person entering or
leaving the United States to have a valid passport"

This is nothing particular to the USA. Passport requirements everywhere
emerged about the time of the Russian revolution, and in large part as a
result of it.

Phil Innes

How did the Republic survive? Until 89 years ago, US citizens were free
to
travel with their own money to anywhere they wished to attend to their own
business. Oh! The Horror! The Horror! My Mind Recoils from this Evil
Vision
of Free Citizens minding their Own Business. Thank God for Execuitive
Orders
and The Nanny State!

"Chess One" writes:
Passports weren't even required of US citizens to travel abroad
until "an executive order made on Dec. 15, 1915, required every
person entering or leaving the United States to have a valid
passport"

This is nothing particular to the USA. Passport requirements everywhere
emerged about the time of the Russian revolution, and in large part as a
result of it.

The need for a passport to exit the USSR was one of the many
criticisms people made of the USSR. I've travelled outside the US
many times and nobody on the US side has ever asked me to show a
passport in order to exit. Authorities in the destination country
have of course required a look at my passport in order to enter, but
that's a matter of the other country's laws, not the U.S.'s. Unlike
in the old USSR, Americans aren't prisoners in the US and don't need
the government's permission in order to leave.

Dear Mr. Rubin,

Heil Dubya!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! (ROFLMAO.)

Please see my response in rgcm. (I try not to send the exact same message to
two different bbses.)

The need for a passport to exit the USSR was one of the many
criticisms people made of the USSR. I've travelled outside the US
many times and nobody on the US side has ever asked me to show a
passport in order to exit. Authorities in the destination country
have of course required a look at my passport in order to enter, but
that's a matter of the other country's laws, not the U.S.'s. Unlike
in the old USSR, Americans aren't prisoners in the US and don't need
the government's permission in order to leave.


Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan, Irak und Haïti. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!

(The more information that comes out about the attacks on the Twin Towers and
the Pentagon of 11 September 2001 the more it appears that those attacks were
organized by the rulers of the United States and were intended to have the same
effect on the people of the United States that the Reichstag fire had on the
people of Germany in 1933.)

Fight terrorism! Dissolve the CIA and disarm the Pentagon! (I have been
watching the hearings of the Commission to investigate the attacks on the Twin
Towers and the Pentagon of 11 September 2001. As a result, I have become
convinced that every one of the witnesses and their four Presidents - and every
one of the Commissioners - should be tried for:
(1. Conspiracy to commit terrorism; and/or
(2. Commission of terrorist acts; and/or
(3. Conspiracy to commit murder; and/or
(4. Commission of murder; and/or
(5. Treason; and/or
(6. Suborning one or more of the above acts.)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
gens una sumus

Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to this group, and am only catching up to this
thread now. But, would someone mind filling me in on just what Mr. Fischer
said regarding 9/11? A URL perhaps? I am very curious.

--
Michael Dean



"Chess One" wrote in message
...

"Fifiela" wrote in message
...
Executive orders are the law of the land, and have been in use since
before
the American Civil War.

I have a quaint notion: The government should be our servant and not our
master. Fischer had every right to go to Serbia to earn money from his
profession. Our right to travel should not be based on State Department
whims.
He also should have been able to go to Cuba in 1962 (?). You and I
should be
able to go to Cuba right now. I have no desire to go to Cuba but it
should be
my choice.

There are certainly 2 areas of contention about Fischer. The first is
about
his chess game with Spassky which attained Government approbation, and is
in
fact highly irregular even in International Law. There are very many
precedents which would challenge this anti-fiat. This issue does not seem
to
be particularly controversial in the chess community.

The second aspect are the post 9/11 comments on which Government is
silent,
but is highly controversial and resented by the chess community.

You think this is a fair [if brief] summary?

Passports weren't even required of US citizens to travel abroad until
"an
executive order made on Dec. 15, 1915, required every person entering or
leaving the United States to have a valid passport"

This is nothing particular to the USA. Passport requirements everywhere
emerged about the time of the Russian revolution, and in large part as a
result of it.

Phil Innes

How did the Republic survive? Until 89 years ago, US citizens were free
to
travel with their own money to anywhere they wished to attend to their
own
business. Oh! The Horror! The Horror! My Mind Recoils from this Evil
Vision
of Free Citizens minding their Own Business. Thank God for Execuitive
Orders
and The Nanny State!

..
Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to this group, and am only catching up to this
thread now. But, would someone mind filling me in on just what Mr. Fischer
said regarding 9/11? A URL perhaps? I am very curious.


Fischer basically said that the USA was a big, mean old bully, which sorely
needed a taste of its own medicine, which it got on 9/11. In particular, he
was critical of the US for aiding Israel and for various military operations in
the Middle East. He called for more of the same, not appearing to care a whit
whether such "lessons" were administered by terrorists or by others, nor did
he seem to care a whit on whom the axe fell. Fischer's indicriminate support
of the 9/11 attacks (which targetted innocent civilians) was a very inferior
move, yet in his "defense" I must note that he apparently was caught
"unprepared" by a telephone call, and his comments were just "offhand," like
the game where he beat Dr. Fine. Fine took offense at Fischer for "counting"
that offhand game, but I have little doubt he would have done the same, if the
result had been the reverse.

NoMoreChess wrote:

Fischer ... apparently was caught "unprepared"
by a telephone call,

_
What is it that makes this apparent?

Michael Dean wrote:

Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to this group, and am
only catching up to this thread now. But, would
someone mind filling me in on just what Mr. Fischer
said regarding 9/11? A URL perhaps? I am very
curious.

_
"... This is all wonderful news ..."

"... I applaud the act. ..."

"... I want to see the U. S. wiped out. ..."

"... I'm hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario,
where sane people will take over the U. S. now. You know
what I mean? Sane people, military people, yes. They will
imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred thousand
of them at least ..."

"... Death to the United States! ..."

Thanks. Maybe I won't go buy his book after all, now...

--
Michael Dean



"Louis Blair" wrote in message
senet.com...
Michael Dean wrote:

Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to this group, and am
only catching up to this thread now. But, would
someone mind filling me in on just what Mr. Fischer
said regarding 9/11? A URL perhaps? I am very
curious.

_
"... This is all wonderful news ..."

"... I applaud the act. ..."

"... I want to see the U. S. wiped out. ..."

"... I'm hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario,
where sane people will take over the U. S. now. You know
what I mean? Sane people, military people, yes. They will
imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred thousand
of them at least ..."

"... Death to the United States! ..."

Thanks. Having also read Louis Blair's quotes below, I am not sure that his
comments were "offhand" excuses them in any way, because it means he
probably didn't have to think it about it much. Upon hearing of the death
of several thousand of my countrymen, I can hardly imagine the first thing
coming to any sane, responsible person's mind being "Dandy, let's go kill a
few hundred thousand more."

--
Michael Dean


snip

..
Thanks. Maybe I won't go buy his book after all, now...


There is none of Fischer's recent lunacy in his book, My Sixty Memorable
Games, if that is what you were referring to. But if you are intent on
"punishing him" by not buying any of Bobby's books, you can get one by a
variety of different authors, some of which include his later games.


Oh, and you can pick up a copy of "Seven Days in May" at Amazon.com. :-)