Hey, maybe he will "punish" us by posting articles on
Serbian players of the 1860s. Wouldn't that be horrible?


William Hyde
EOS Department
Duke University

Don't even say it, it could happen. Historical articles that don't put our
country down for trying to do our best are always welcome.

Thanks for the pointer -- I wish there were more 'heads up' postings
when something appeared elsewhere on the net. It can be difficult to keep
track of everything, so this kind of short notes are always useful.

--

That rates and AOL" me too."

If you like history, and chess history, there are very interesting facts for
you:

Here are the victims of bombardment (before five years) the building of
Radio- Television Serbia:

Ksenija Bankovic, Aleksandar Deletic, Dragorad Dragovic, Milovan
Jankovic, Branislav Jovanovic, Milan Joksimovic, Slobodan Jordic, Dejan
Markovic, Sinisa Medic, Tomislav Mitrovic, Jelica Munitlak, Slavisa
Stevanovic, Darko Stoimenovski, Nebojsa Stojanovic, Ivan Tukalo i
Dragan Tasic.

They were not born to be killed. They were born to enjoy in life. If you
want, I can send you more information about them and theirs family....to
complete your knowledge about chess history (and general history, too).

Goran Tomic


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"Jeremy Spinrad" wrote in message
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Although I think it is amusing that someone who posts rants about politics
on a chess
newsgroup would denounce a chess history posting as off-topic, there is so
much
dross at present that I would certainly welcome a chess history newsgroup.
Is
there sufficient interest out there, or is it too specialized?

Jerry Spinrad

"Goran Tomic" wrote in message ...
"J. Franklin Campbell" wrote in message
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This article describes some of the players in Minnesota during
the early 1800's.

The facts could be true, but in my opinion they are not (in general)
interesting for chess public, and chess fans. ...

Goran, nice to see you remain unchanged. Nothing should tamper with
natural ignorance; touch it and the bloom is gone.

Many thanks to the posters who enjoyed my article. And, of course, J.
Franklin Campbell for publishing it.

Neil Brennen

Many thanks to the posters who enjoyed my article. And, of course, J.
Franklin Campbell for publishing it.

Neil Brennen

I didn't say that your text is bad but it's not interesting, generally, for
chess fans of this newsgroup. There are some actually chess events and other
chess related events which are more interesting. Maybe it's interesting for
some chess historians, so you can write and promote it on that mailing list.
By the way, there are many unimportant chess and other events which happened
hundreds year ago, which are recorded in chess history. If something
happened, it doesn't obligate mean that's interesting. I think that's the
case with your article.

Goran Tomic

"Goran Tomic" wrote in message
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Many thanks to the posters who enjoyed my article. And, of course, J.
Franklin Campbell for publishing it.

Neil Brennen

I didn't say that your text is bad but it's not interesting, generally,
for
chess fans of this newsgroup. There are some actually chess events and
other
chess related events which are more interesting. Maybe it's interesting
for
some chess historians, so you can write and promote it on that mailing
list.
By the way, there are many unimportant chess and other events which
happened
hundreds year ago, which are recorded in chess history. If something
happened, it doesn't obligate mean that's interesting. I think that's the
case with your article.

Goran Tomic

Interesting, that's the case with most of your posts here, too.

Regards,

Matt

I think that's knowledge of history (in chess) could be mated with strong
prejudices.

You remember the interview Mr. Kingston with GM Averbakh and many very bad
assertions about WCC Botvinnik.

Mr. Kingston said about Botvinnik:
-that Botvinnik got a "swelled head,"-
-Over here we call that "wrapping yourself in the flag." -
-In your acquaintance with Botvinnik, did you ever get the impression that
he had used his political influence to thwart or hinder his serious rivals,
such as Keres or Bronstein? -

That all shows that chess history, and some "chess historians" have many
prejudices and therefore they are not objective, and I don't believe them.

I think the same unreliability you can find on some other texts published on
ChessCafe. Everybody remembers new "interpretation" Candidates' Tournament
in Zurich in 1953 published on it. I asked yesterday GM Svetozar Gligoric,
who participated on that tournament, about it.

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Goran Tomic: One of the tournament which we can read a lot about even after
fifty
years is Candidates' Tournament in Zurich. Grandmaster Bronstein published a
book about that tournament, and it is considered as one of the top ten chess
books ever written. However, in the recent time grandmaster Bronstein
exposed a different view on that tournament. He said that Soviet Committee
for Sport operated active in purpose of obstruction GM Reshevsky to become
the challenger of the World Chess Champion, Botvinnik. What are your
memories of that big tournament in which you took part?

Svetozar Gligoric: While I played in Zurich in 1953, I didn't know any
doings in Soviet chess camp. I remember that on the Final ceremony of the
Candidate Tournament Reshevsky had the tears in his eyes. He couldn't
overcome his emotions because he didn't succeed to get the right to
challenge Botvinnik. I forced myself too much, in the last five rounds, so
I spoiled my average placement. I was under the pressure of our well -
intentioned public opinion who expected an impossible sensation.

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"J. Franklin Campbell" wrote in message
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I have just posted an article by chess historian Neil Brennen. Read

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By the way, on which University Mr Neil Brennen got the title "Chess
historian"? On History University" or "Chess University"? The same question
for Mr Spinrad.


Goran Tomic

Isn't this old news. Everything about Reshevsky is well known isn't
it? Even Tal said that Botvinnik was a guy who spoke as if he was the
world champion in everything. Sounds arrogant to me. By the way the
russians feared Reshevsky. I repeat " FEARED " Reshevsky because they
knew he was a genuine talent. Reshevsky didn't become world champ
because because of his practical views on life more than anything
else. If Reshevsky devoted his life to chess he would have become
world champion. Not probably.......he would have become a world
champion.

EZoto

"EZoto" wrote in message
s.com...

If Reshevsky devoted his life to chess he would have become
world champion. Not probably.......he would have become a world
champion.

EZoto

If...probably....he would have become....

You would have become honorary member of "Neil Brennen Chess History
University".

Goran Tomic

By the way the russians feared Reshevsky. I repeat " FEARED " Reshevsky
because they knew he was a genuine talent. -- EZoto

"Bisguier once quipped that we would all beat Reshevsky in a few years when he
got old. Meanwhile we got old waiting for him to get old." -- GM Larry Evans