I have just posted an article by chess historian Neil Brennen. Read
"The Champion of the North: James Jellett's Adventures in American
Chess". This article describes some of the players in Minnesota during
the early 1800's. Imagine a player being insulted because another
player insists on playing from an even starting position. He was
offended his opponent wouldn't accept odds. Of course, modern players
don't take offense so easily, do they? The games (including a number
played at odds) are all available for javascript replay. Check it out.

http://correspondencechess.com/campb...es/a040422.htm

J. Franklin Campbell
Webmaster, The Campbell Report

"J. Franklin Campbell" wrote in message
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This article describes some of the players in Minnesota during
the early 1800's.

The facts could be true, but in my opinion they are not (in general)
interesting for chess public, and chess fans. They are interesting only for
chess historians. So, you could send it on that mailing list.
It is not interesting like "chess game" ACP: FIDE, Bobby Fischer,
Kasparov...

By the way, European Women's Champion, Alexandra Kosteniuk, celebrates her
20th birthday today.

Goran Tomic

Although I think it is amusing that someone who posts rants about politics on a chess
newsgroup would denounce a chess history posting as off-topic, there is so much
dross at present that I would certainly welcome a chess history newsgroup. Is
there sufficient interest out there, or is it too specialized?

Jerry Spinrad

In article , "Goran Tomic" writes:
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| "J. Franklin Campbell" wrote in message
| ...
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| This article describes some of the players in Minnesota during
| the early 1800's.
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| The facts could be true, but in my opinion they are not (in general)
| interesting for chess public, and chess fans. They are interesting only for
| chess historians. So, you could send it on that mailing list.
| It is not interesting like "chess game" ACP: FIDE, Bobby Fischer,
| Kasparov...
|
| By the way, European Women's Champion, Alexandra Kosteniuk, celebrates her
| 20th birthday today.
|
| Goran Tomic
|
|

Dear Mr. Spinrad,

Heil Dubya!

Apparently Mr. Tomic has his own agenda. (Don't we all?) Be that as it may,
you have my vote, for what it's worth, on a chess history newsgroup.

Although I think it is amusing that someone who posts rants about politics
on
a chess
newsgroup would denounce a chess history posting as off-topic, there is so
much
dross at present that I would certainly welcome a chess history newsgroup. Is
there sufficient interest out there, or is it too specialized?

Jerry Spinrad

In article , "Goran Tomic"
writes:
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| "J. Franklin Campbell" wrote in message
| ...
|
| This article describes some of the players in Minnesota during
| the early 1800's.
|
| The facts could be true, but in my opinion they are not (in general)
| interesting for chess public, and chess fans. They are interesting only
for
| chess historians. So, you could send it on that mailing list.
| It is not interesting like "chess game" ACP: FIDE, Bobby Fischer,
| Kasparov...
|
| By the way, European Women's Champion, Alexandra Kosteniuk, celebrates her
| 20th birthday today.
|
| Goran Tomic
|
|

Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan, Irak und Haïti. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!

(The more information that comes out about the attacks on the Twin Towers and
the Pentagon of 11 September 2001 the more it appears that those attacks were
organized by the rulers of the United States and were intended to have the same
effect on the people of the United States that the Reichstag fire had on the
people of Germany in 1933.)

Fight terrorism! Dissolve the CIA and disarm the Pentagon! (I have been
watching the hearings of the Commission to investigate the attacks on the Twin
Towers and the Pentagon of 11 September 2001. As a result, I have become
convinced that every one of the witnesses and their four Presidents - and every
one of the Commissioners - should be tried for:
(1. Conspiracy to commit terrorism; and/or
(2. Commission of terrorist acts; and/or
(3. Conspiracy to commit murder; and/or
(4. Commission of murder; and/or
(5. Treason; and/or
(6. Suborning one or more of the above acts.)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
gens una sumus

"Goran Tomic" writes:

"J. Franklin Campbell" wrote in message
...

This article describes some of the players in Minnesota during
the early 1800's.

The facts could be true, but in my opinion they are not (in general)
interesting for chess public, and chess fans.

In my opinion this article is more interesting than 90% of the
posts on this group. It actually concerns chess, something
we should encourage on rec.games.chess.misc. Or is it now
rec.politics.iraq.blathering.insanely.on.forever?


They are interesting only for
chess historians. So, you could send it on that mailing list.

You should look up the meaning of "misc", which is short
for "miscellaneous".


It is not interesting like "chess game" ACP: FIDE, Bobby Fischer,
Kasparov...

Here's a shocking idea: we can talk about *all* these
topics, as well as read Mr Brennan's article. Photons
are cheap.


William Hyde
EOS Department
Duke University

(Jeremy Spinrad) writes:

Although I think it is amusing that someone who posts rants about politics on a chess
newsgroup would denounce a chess history posting as off-topic, there is so much
dross at present that I would certainly welcome a chess history newsgroup. Is
there sufficient interest out there, or is it too specialized?

My guess is that it would be too specialized. And Sam would
simply cross post everything he writes, anyway.

Mr Tomic will just have to suffer until he learns how to
skip those few postings which relate to areas of chess
which don't conform to his obsessions.

Hey, maybe he will "punish" us by posting articles on
Serbian players of the 1860s. Wouldn't that be horrible?


William Hyde
EOS Department
Duke University

Mr Tomic will just have to suffer until he learns how to
skip those few postings which relate to areas of chess
which don't conform to his obsessions.

Hey, maybe he will "punish" us by posting articles on
Serbian players of the 1860s. Wouldn't that be horrible?

Was Szen a Montenegran or an Hungarian? Phil

William Hyde
EOS Department
Duke University

What the ....?
You've got to be kidding.

"Goran Tomic" wrote in message
...

"J. Franklin Campbell" wrote in message
...

This article describes some of the players in Minnesota during
the early 1800's.

The facts could be true, but in my opinion they are not (in general)
interesting for chess public, and chess fans. They are interesting only
for
chess historians. So, you could send it on that mailing list.
It is not interesting like "chess game" ACP: FIDE, Bobby Fischer,
Kasparov...

By the way, European Women's Champion, Alexandra Kosteniuk, celebrates her
20th birthday today.

Goran Tomic

J. Franklin Campbell wrote:

I have just posted an article by chess historian Neil Brennen.

Thanks for the pointer -- I wish there were more 'heads up' postings
when something appeared elsewhere on the net. It can be difficult to keep
track of everything, so this kind of short notes are always useful.

--
Anders Thulin ath*algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~ath

"Chess One" writes:

Mr Tomic will just have to suffer until he learns how to
skip those few postings which relate to areas of chess
which don't conform to his obsessions.

Hey, maybe he will "punish" us by posting articles on
Serbian players of the 1860s. Wouldn't that be horrible?

Was Szen a Montenegran or an Hungarian? Phil

Hungarian, I think. But Jeremy Spinrad is our expert on
the Szen of chess.


William Hyde
EOS Department
Duke University