"El Duderino" wrote in message
m...
I know people who have seen Derren live and he really can do that
stuff.

I saw him live on Sunday, and I am more convinced than ever that he does
very traditional magic tricks, and dresses his act up with "psychology". I
was still very impressed. He is a very entertaining performer.

The memory trick part was impressive on its own but comeon, the
numbers on that note was a stunning finish. Tell me... if it was
sleight of hand, he would have had to write out a new concertina'd
note during the course of the games.

Or an assistant wrote the note?

And if you're accusing the players of being "in" on it then well
that's something you'll have to take up with them. Derren is the real
deal, believe it.

What is the real deal, though? Really psychic? He certainly doesn't claim to
be!

"El Duderino" wrote in message
m...
I know people who have seen Derren live and he really can do that
stuff.

The memory trick part was impressive on its own but comeon, the
numbers on that note was a stunning finish. Tell me... if it was
sleight of hand, he would have had to write out a new concertina'd
note during the course of the games.


Watch the trick again :

1. He writes the number on the board from memory.
2. [Off stage an assistant copies it down while] he explains the
significance of the numbers.
3. The Grandmaster (Melle Mel ?) takes the envelope out of his pocket and DB
makes a big deal about not touching it.
4. Melle opens the envelope to reveal the concertina.
5. DB says 'let me get rid' of that and takes the empty envelope.
6. *Slightly* off camera, DB hands the envelope to his off-stage assistant
[who passes back a freshly written concertina].
7. DB *for a split second* helps Melle straighten and then open the
concertina. [During this he swaps over the two papers].
8. [The original paper is palmed into a pocket as] everyone is looking at
the new one.

This also explains why he got the first number wrong as this was already
written on the front of the original paper and would have been seen as the
envelope was opened.

As someone who would be unable to do step 1, I still find DB fascinating.

Edward.
Bham Uni.

"Edward Craft" wrote in message ...
"El Duderino" wrote in message
m...
I know people who have seen Derren live and he really can do that
stuff.

The memory trick part was impressive on its own but comeon, the
numbers on that note was a stunning finish. Tell me... if it was
sleight of hand, he would have had to write out a new concertina'd
note during the course of the games.


Watch the trick again :

1. He writes the number on the board from memory.
2. [Off stage an assistant copies it down while] he explains the
significance of the numbers.
3. The Grandmaster (Melle Mel ?) takes the envelope out of his pocket and DB
makes a big deal about not touching it.
4. Melle opens the envelope to reveal the concertina.
5. DB says 'let me get rid' of that and takes the empty envelope.
6. *Slightly* off camera, DB hands the envelope to his off-stage assistant
[who passes back a freshly written concertina].
7. DB *for a split second* helps Melle straighten and then open the
concertina. [During this he swaps over the two papers].
8. [The original paper is palmed into a pocket as] everyone is looking at
the new one.

This also explains why he got the first number wrong as this was already
written on the front of the original paper and would have been seen as the
envelope was opened.

As someone who would be unable to do step 1, I still find DB fascinating.

Edward.
Bham Uni.

Yes, I think Chris is correct. I think he just does some conjuring
tricks and passes them off as mind control. Just like Uri Geller
Passes his conjuring off as psychic power.

Also I repeat I know for sure that those chess players were not fooled
by this old trick , it was all in the editing of their reactions or
that they went along with it for the appearance fee. I am sure most of
the other effects are like that too.

As for the fact that he does it on stage - well so did Doris Stokes
for years make a pretty effective illusion of being a medium and that
was just based on a team of helpers.

Well.. you never know. Sure he *says* he isnt psychic but maybe the
FEDS have leant on him to keep quiet about his devastating
psi-ability. :-p

But seriously, you can never be sure. Uri Geller is supposed to have
effected lab equipment under scientific conditions (forgive lack of
link)...

"Edward Craft" wrote in message
...

Watch the trick again :

1. He writes the number on the board from memory.
2. [Off stage an assistant copies it down while] he
explains the significance of the numbers.
3. The Grandmaster (Melle Mel ?) takes the envelope out
of his pocket and DB makes a big deal about not touching it.
4. Melle opens the envelope to reveal the concertina.
5. DB says 'let me get rid' of that and takes the empty envelope.
6. *Slightly* off camera, DB hands the envelope to his
off-stage assistant [who passes back a freshly written concertina].
7. DB *for a split second* helps Melle straighten and then
open the concertina. [During this he swaps over the two papers].
8. [The original paper is palmed into a pocket as]
everyone is looking at the new one.

This also explains why he got the first number wrong
as this was already written on the front of the original
paper and would have been seen as the envelope was opened.

Brilliant! Thanks! I watched it over and over on slow-speed video and
couldn't figure out how the concertina could be switched when the first
number had already been seen, but I forgot that the first number was wrong!
Thanks again!

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In uk.media.tv.misc El Duderino wrote:
But seriously, you can never be sure. Uri Geller is supposed to have
effected lab equipment under scientific conditions (forgive lack of
link)...

Never sufficiently strict conditions.

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Edd

In uk.media.tv.misc oxtut wrote:
Yes, I think Chris is correct. I think he just does some conjuring
tricks and passes them off as mind control. Just like Uri Geller
Passes his conjuring off as psychic power.

I'm inclined to think that some of the stuff he does is genuine - like in
an early show when he made someone on the tube forget where he was getting
off. But he mixes in a lot of conjuring tricks and makes you think he does
everything the same way. Most of the examples in this thread look like
conjuring tricks to me.

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Edd