Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1

Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4

Good for White that you opted for 3.d4. Any other move would have been
a loss.

I can at least draw here. However, I have a couple of lines that I think
can beat White. I guess, I'll be able to test one of them now.

GF

"Michael Sayers" wrote in message
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(Goran Fischer) wrote in message
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Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1

I like Mike's analysis. His 15th move is one way of launching White's
atttack and win the game. However, I'll stick to my orignal plan as
echoed by Matt. I'll continue to develop the barrage, place the rooks
on open files so as to follow theories and go from there.

Regards, GF

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1 g5

Only the gods can save you now.

An interesting line is 16. Qc4 Rg8 17. Nd4 Nxd4 18. Rxd4 h5 19. Qb4. One of
many, of course ...

Matt

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Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1

Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4

Good for White that you opted for 3.d4. Any other move would have been
a loss.

I can at least draw here. However, I have a couple of lines that I think
can beat White. I guess, I'll be able to test one of them now.

GF

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1 g5

Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4

The notion of your winning either game, is contrary to the available
evidence.


MJS

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:37:52 -0400, "mdamien"
wrote:

"Michael Sayers" wrote in message
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(Goran Fischer) wrote in message
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Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1

I like Mike's analysis. His 15th move is one way of launching White's
atttack and win the game. However, I'll stick to my orignal plan as
echoed by Matt. I'll continue to develop the barrage, place the rooks
on open files so as to follow theories and go from there.

Regards, GF

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1 g5

Only the gods can save you now.

An interesting line is 16. Qc4 Rg8 17. Nd4 Nxd4 18. Rxd4 h5 19. Qb4. One of
many, of course ...

Matt



19...c5! 20.Rxc5 Bxc5 21.Qxc5 Qb1+ 22.Bc1 the only move to stop mate
Qb6 23.Qc3 Rg6 and I think White has a harder proving his attack is
worth the material deficit.

However, White does have a nice zwischenzug 19.g4 if 19...hxg4 then
20.Qb4 and now if Black plays 20...c5 to go into the saving line above
it does not work because after ...Qb1+; White just plays Kg2
maintaining the mate threat on e7. I don't see anyway for Black to
avoid mate other than by giving up large amounts of material.

At the 19th move Black could retreat the queen to h7 or g6 after
19.g4, but 20.Qb4 still wins for White. In order for Black to survive
after 16.Qc4 he needs to find either alternative moves at 16, 17 or
18; perhaps 17...Bxd4 18.Rxd4 a6

"Mike Ogush" wrote in message
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An interesting line is 16. Qc4 Rg8 17. Nd4 Nxd4 18. Rxd4 h5 19. Qb4. One
of
many, of course ...

19...c5! 20.Rxc5 Bxc5 21.Qxc5 Qb1+ 22.Bc1 the only move to stop mate
Qb6 23.Qc3 Rg6 and I think White has a harder proving his attack is
worth the material deficit.

On the contrary, 24. Rc4 Qd8 25. e6! and White is winning.


However, White does have a nice zwischenzug 19.g4 if 19...hxg4 then
20.Qb4 and now if Black plays 20...c5 to go into the saving line above
it does not work because after ...Qb1+; White just plays Kg2
maintaining the mate threat on e7. I don't see anyway for Black to
avoid mate other than by giving up large amounts of material.

Pretty slick, but 19. Qb4 is more forcing, in light of the above
re-assessment.

At the 19th move Black could retreat the queen to h7 or g6 after
19.g4, but 20.Qb4 still wins for White. In order for Black to survive
after 16.Qc4 he needs to find either alternative moves at 16, 17 or
18; perhaps 17...Bxd4 18.Rxd4 a6

After 18. ... a6, there follows 19. Rd3 g4 20. Re3 +-

Matt

Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1 g5 16.Qb2

This Queen move has a multi-purpose, to protect the pawns on f2 and e5
and most importantly to attack the Rook on h8, make it move and
displace it, thereby disabling the castling capability of black
permanently.

Regards, GF

"Goran Fischer" wrote in message
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Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1 g5 16.Qb2

This Queen move has a multi-purpose, to protect the pawns on f2 and e5
and most importantly to attack the Rook on h8, make it move and
displace it, thereby disabling the castling capability of black
permanently.


This is a very interesting move, GF, and I like your idea behind it. I
hadn't looked at the move because I looked at 16. Qc4 first, and couldn't
find an adequate Black answer to that. For the curious (I'm including
rec.games.chess.analysis), here's what I had as Black's best try after 16.
Qc4:


16.Qc4 g4



[16...Nxe5 17.Nxe5 Bxf2+ 18.Kh1 Qxe5 19.Bxf7+ Kd8 20.Rd5+-; 16...Rg8 17.Nd4
A) 17...Bxd4 18.Rxd4 Nxd4 (18...a6 19.Rd3 g4 20.Re3+-; 18...Ra8 19.Rd3 g4
20.f4+-; 18...h5 19.Re4 Qg6 20.Rce1+-) 19.Qxd4 b6 20.Rxc7+-; B) 17...Nxd4
18.Rxd4 B1) 18...c6 19.g4 Qg6 (19...Qh7 20.Qb4+-) 20.Qb4 d6 (20...c5
21.Rxc5+-) 21.e6 cxd5 (21...fxe6 22.Qxd6 Qf6 23.Rd3 Qd8 24.Qxb8 exd5 25.Rxd5
Qxd5 26.Qxc8++-) 22.Qxd6 Qxe6 23.Qxb8 Kd7 24.Qg3!+-; B2) 18...h5 19.Qb4 c5
20.Rxc5 B2a) 20...Bxc5 21.Qxc5 Qb1+ 22.Bc1 Ra8 (22...Rg6 23.e6+-; 22...h4
23.e6 fxe6 24.Bxe6+-; 22...Qb6 23.Qc3+-; 22...Rg7 23.Rd1 Qb6 24.Qc3+-)
23.Qc3 Qg6 24.Rc4 Kd8 25.Qb4+-; B2b) 20...d6 21.exd6 Bxc5 (21...Kd8 22.Re4
Be6 23.Qc4 Qf6 24.Bxe6 fxe6 25.Rxe6 Qa1+ 26.Bc1 Bxc5 27.Re1 Qg7 28.Qxc5+-)
22.Qxc5 Bd7 23.Rd1 Ra8 (23...Kf8 24.Qxa7 Re8 25.Qxb7 Re2 26.Rf1 Kg7 27.Bb2+
Kh6 28.Bf3 Rc2 29.h4+-) 24.Qe3+ Kf8 25.Qe7+ Kg7 26.Bb2+ Kh6 27.Bxf7+-]



17.Nd4 Qg6



[17...Nxd4 18.Rxd4 Bxd4 (18...g3 19.hxg3+-) 19.Qxc7+-; 17...Bxd4 18.Rxd4
Nxd4 (18...g3 19.hxg3+-; 18...h5 19.Re1+-; 18...a5 19.Rf4 b5 20.Bxf7+ Kd8
21.Be7+ Kxe7 22.Qc5+ d6 23.Qxc6+-) 19.Qxd4+-; 17...Qh5 18.Bxc6 bxc6 (18...g3
19.hxg3 bxc6 20.Nxc6 Ra8 21.Bc5+-) 19.Nxc6 Ra8 20.Ne7 Bb7 21.Rxd7+-;
17...Qh7 18.Bxc6 bxc6 19.Nxc6+-; 17...Na5 18.Nxf5+-; 17...Nxe5 18.Nxf5+-]



18.Bc5 Bxc5



[18...Ba5 19.Qa4+-; 18...g3 19.hxg3+-; 18...Nxe5 19.Re1+-; 18...Nxd4 19.Qxd4
(19.Bxd4 0–0 20.Bxb6 cxb6) 19...Rf8 (19...Rg8 20.Qf4+-) 20.Qa4+-]



19.Qxc5 b6



[19...a6 20.e6+-]



20.Qa3 Nxd4



[20...Bb7 21.e6 fxe6 22.Bxc6+-]



21.Rxd4 c6!



[21...c5 22.Rdc4 (22.Qxa7? cxd4 23.Qxb8 0–0 24.Qc7=) 22...a5 (same
continuation with 22...a6 ) 23.Qg3 d6 24.e6 Ke7 25.Rxg4+-]



22.Qxa7 Rb7 23.Qa3 Rc7 24.Rf4 Qg5 25.Bxf7+ Kd8 26.Qe3 Rf8 27.Rd1±



Matt

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:22:01 -0400, "mdamien"
wrote:

"Mike Ogush" wrote in message
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An interesting line is 16. Qc4 Rg8 17. Nd4 Nxd4 18. Rxd4 h5 19. Qb4. One
of
many, of course ...

19...c5! 20.Rxc5 Bxc5 21.Qxc5 Qb1+ 22.Bc1 the only move to stop mate
Qb6 23.Qc3 Rg6 and I think White has a harder proving his attack is
worth the material deficit.

On the contrary, 24. Rc4 Qd8 25. e6! and White is winning.

Oops! If I had thought back to the essence of my first post in this
thread (Black cannot effectively develop either of his rooks or his
queen's bishop) I would have realized that the above line didn't
change anything significant in Black's favor. And that White just
needs to keep applying pressure until the limited defensive ability of
his pieces become over taxed. Incidently I also looked at other moves
in the above line besides 21...Qb6 and Black seems lost in all
variations.



However, White does have a nice zwischenzug 19.g4 if 19...hxg4 then
20.Qb4 and now if Black plays 20...c5 to go into the saving line above
it does not work because after ...Qb1+; White just plays Kg2
maintaining the mate threat on e7. I don't see anyway for Black to
avoid mate other than by giving up large amounts of material.

Pretty slick, but 19. Qb4 is more forcing, in light of the above
re-assessment.

At the 19th move Black could retreat the queen to h7 or g6 after
19.g4, but 20.Qb4 still wins for White. In order for Black to survive
after 16.Qc4 he needs to find either alternative moves at 16, 17 or
18; perhaps 17...Bxd4 18.Rxd4 a6

After 18. ... a6, there follows 19. Rd3 g4 20. Re3 +-


It is quite possible that Black is completely lost after 16.Qc4 (as he
also was after my suggestion of 15.Qc4. There are just many
alternatives for Black that need to be gone through one at a time to
verify that Black cannot escape.

Matt

"Mike Ogush" wrote in message
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It is quite possible that Black is completely lost after 16.Qc4 (as he
also was after my suggestion of 15.Qc4. There are just many
alternatives for Black that need to be gone through one at a time to
verify that Black cannot escape.

Yes, I already had this analysis when you suggested 15. Qc4, and figured it
transposed after 15 ... g5. It seems that White had many ways to proceed,
and Black was always "walking the tight rope" as Lasker said.

Matt

(Goran Fischer) wrote in message . com...
Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1 g5 16.Qb2

This Queen move has a multi-purpose, to protect the pawns on f2 and e5
and most importantly to attack the Rook on h8, make it move and
displace it, thereby disabling the castling capability of black
permanently.

Regards, GF

Michael Sayers vs. Goran Fischer

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3

Goran Fischer vs. Michael Sayers

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 dxc3
8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qf5 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 Rb8 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.Bxd5 h6
14.Rac1 Bb6 15.Rfd1 g5 16.Qb2 Rg8


MJS