It's been said that there's no online copy of Executive Order 12810.
Here's one, taken from

http://www.uhuh.com/laws/donncoll/eo/1992/EO12810.TXT:

[12810 was signed 5 June 1992]

[I've also included a schedule of amendments]

***BEGIN COPY***

EX. ORD. NO. 12810. BLOCKING PROPERTY OF AND PROHIBITING
TRANSACTIONS WITH FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA (SERBIA AND
MONTENEGRO)

Ex. Ord. No. 12810, June 5, 1992, 57 F.R. 24347, as amended by
Ex. Ord. No. 12831, Sec. 4, Jan. 15, 1993, 58 F.R. 5253, provided:

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the laws of the United States of America, including the
International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701, et
seq.), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601, et seq.),
section 1114 of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, as amended (49
U.S.C. App. 1514), section 5 of the United Nations Participation
Act of 1945, as amended (22 U.S.C. 287c), and section 301 of title
3 of the United States Code, in view of United Nations Security
Council Resolution No. 757 of May 30, 1992, and in order to take
additional steps with respect to the actions and policies of the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) and the
national emergency described and declared in Executive Order No.
12808 (set out above),

I, GEORGE BUSH, President of the United States of America, hereby
order:

Section 1. Except to the extent provided in regulations, orders,
directives, or licenses which may hereafter be issued pursuant to
this order, and notwithstanding the existence of any rights or
obligations conferred or imposed by any international agreement or
any contract entered into or any license or permit granted before
the effective date of this order, all property and interests in
property of the Government of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro), and property and interests in property
held in the name of the Government of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia or of the former Government of the Socialist Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia, that are in the United States, that
hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter
come within the possession or control of United States persons,
including their overseas branches, are blocked.

Sec. 2. The following are prohibited, notwithstanding the
existence of any rights or obligations conferred or imposed by any
international agreement or any contract entered into or any license
or permit granted before the effective date of this order, except
to the extent provided in regulations, orders, directives, or
licenses which may hereafter be issued pursuant to this order:

(a) The importation into the United States of any goods
originating in, or services performed in, the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), exported from the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) after May 30, 1992,
or any activity that promotes or is intended to promote such
importation;

(b) The exportation to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia
and Montenegro), or to any entity operated from the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), or owned or
controlled by the Government of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro), directly or indirectly, of any goods,
technology (including technical data or other information
controlled for export pursuant to the Export Administration
Regulations, 15 C.F.R. Parts 768, et seq.), or services, either (i)
from the United States, (ii) requiring the issuance of a license by
a Federal agency, or (iii) involving the use of U.S.-registered
vessels or aircraft, or any activity that promotes or is intended
to promote such exportation;

(c) Any dealing by a United States person related to property
originating in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro) exported from the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro) after May 30, 1992, or property intended
for exportation from the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro) to any country, or exportation to the Federal Republic
of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) from any country, or any
activity of any kind that promotes or is intended to promote such
dealing;

(d) Any transaction by a United States person, or involving the
use of U.S.-registered vessels and aircraft, relating to
transportation to or from the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro), the provision of transportation to or from
the United States by any person in the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) or any vessel or aircraft
registered in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro), or the sale in the United States by any person holding
authority under the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, as amended (49
U.S.C. 1301, et seq.) (now 49 U.S.C. 40101 et seq.), of any
transportation by air that includes any stop in the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(e) The granting of permission to any aircraft to take off from,
land in, or overfly the United States, if the aircraft, as part of
the same flight or as a continuation of that flight, is destined to
land in or has taken off from the territory of the Federal Republic
of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(f) The performance by any United States person of any contract,
including a financing contract, in support of an industrial,
commercial, public utility, or governmental project in the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(g) Any commitment or transfer, direct or indirect, of funds, or
other financial or economic resources by any United States person
to or for the benefit of the Government of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) or any other person in the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(h) Any transaction in the United States or by a United States
person related to participation in sporting events in the United
States by persons or groups representing the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(i) (Revoked by Ex. Ord. No. 12831, Sec. 4, Jan. 15, 1993, 58
F.R. 5253.)

Sec. 3. Nothing in this order shall apply to (i) the
transshipment through the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia
and Montenegro) of commodities and products originating outside the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) and
temporarily present in the territory of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) only for the purpose of such
transshipment, and (ii) activities related to the United Nations
Protection Force (UNPROFOR), the Conference on Yugoslavia, or the
European Community Monitor Mission.

Sec. 4. Any transaction by any United States person that evades
or avoids, or has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts
to violate, any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is
prohibited.

Sec. 5. For the purposes of this order:

(a) The term ''United States person'' means any United States
citizen, permanent resident alien, juridical person organized under
the laws of the United States (including foreign branches), or any
person in the United States, and vessels and aircraft of U.S.
registration;

(b) The term ''the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro)'' means the territory of Serbia and Montenegro;

(c) The term ''the Government of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)'' includes the government of the
newly constituted Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, the Government of
Serbia, and the Government of Montenegro, including any
subdivisions thereof or local governments therein, their respective
agencies, instrumentalities and controlled entities, and any
persons acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of any of the
foregoing, including the National Bank of Yugoslavia, the Yugoslav
National Army, and the Yugoslav Chamber of Economy, the National
Bank of Serbia, the Serbian Chamber of Economy, the National Bank
of Montenegro, and the Montenegrin Chamber of Economy.

Sec. 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the
Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to take such actions,
including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ
all powers granted to the President by the International Emergency
Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) and the United Nations
Participation Act (22 U.S.C. 287 et seq.), as may be necessary to
carry out the purposes of this order. Such actions may include
prohibiting or regulating payments or transfers of any property, or
any transactions involving the transfer of anything of economic
value by the (sic) any United States person to the Government of
the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), any
person in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro), or any person or entity acting for or on behalf of, or
owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by any of the
foregoing. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of
these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States
Government, all agencies of which are hereby directed to take all
appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the
provisions of this order, including suspension or termination of
licenses or other authorizations in effect as of the date of this
order.

Sec. 7. All delegations, rules, regulations, orders, licenses,
and other forms of administrative action made, issued, or otherwise
taken under Executive Order No. 12808 (set out above) and not
revoked administratively shall remain in full force and effect
under this order until amended, modified, or terminated by proper
authority.

Sec. 8. Nothing contained in this order shall create any right or
benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable by any party
against the United States, its agencies or instrumentalities, its
officers or employees, or any other person.

Sec. 9. (a) This order is effective immediately.

(b) This order shall be transmitted to the Congress and published
in the Federal Register.

George Bush.

***END COPY***

The following schedule of amendments and revocation is from:

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1992.html:

***BEGIN***

Executive Order 12810
Blocking property of and prohibiting transactions with the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)

Signed:
June 5, 1992
Federal Register page and date:
57 FR 24347; June 9, 1992
Amended by (continued):
Notice, May 25, 1993;
Notice, May 25, 1994;
Notice, May 24, 1996;
Notice, May 28, 1997
Revoked in part by:
EO 12831, January 15, 1993
See:
EO 12846, April 25, 1993;
Final Rule of January 3, 1996 (61 FR 629);
Presidential Determination No. 96-7 of December 27, 1995;
Notice of May 25, 2000;
Notice of May 24, 2001
Revoked by: EO 13304, May 28, 2003

***END***

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

Thanks banana.

I think if "chess is a sport [or sporting event]" then Fischer would
run afoul of this section below.

But is "chess a sport"? OR is it an "art"?

Perhaps the FIDE drug testing decision is a negative precident for
Fischer, as FIDE appears to be trying to make chess a sport (as in
"chess olympics"). But under the First Amend of the US, perhaps chess
is more like a theatre performance? Art (or expression) not sport?

RL

(h) Any transaction in the United States or by a United States
person related to participation in sporting events in the United
States by persons or groups representing the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);


banana wrote in message ...
It's been said that there's no online copy of Executive Order 12810.
Here's one, taken from

http://www.uhuh.com/laws/donncoll/eo/1992/EO12810.TXT:

[12810 was signed 5 June 1992]

Actually, as I re-read this section, it seems like it does not apply
since Spassky was not representing "Serbia and Montenegro" but only
himself (or at best, France).

So it seems like the US will pin its hopes on saying Fischer was
exporting his "services", and Yugoslavia was profiting from Fischer's
name, as the letter from the Philippines US embassy stated.

Pretty weak case if you ask me.

RL

(raylopez99) wrote in message . com...
Thanks banana.

I think if "chess is a sport [or sporting event]" then Fischer would
run afoul of this section below.

But is "chess a sport"? OR is it an "art"?

Perhaps the FIDE drug testing decision is a negative precident for
Fischer, as FIDE appears to be trying to make chess a sport (as in
"chess olympics"). But under the First Amend of the US, perhaps chess
is more like a theatre performance? Art (or expression) not sport?

RL

(h) Any transaction in the United States or by a United States
person related to participation in sporting events in the United
States by persons or groups representing the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);


banana wrote in message ...
It's been said that there's no online copy of Executive Order 12810.
Here's one, taken from

http://www.uhuh.com/laws/donncoll/eo/1992/EO12810.TXT:

[12810 was signed 5 June 1992]

..
So it seems like the US will pin its hopes on saying Fischer was
exporting his "services", and Yugoslavia was profiting from Fischer's
name, as the letter from the Philippines US embassy stated.

Pretty weak case if you ask me.


Nobody asked you. :-)



If playing chess in front of a paying audience, with television rights,
publication rights, etc., amounting to enough money to cover a five million
U.S. dollar prize fund is not "commerce," then what is?


BTW, the wording of the document posted makes it crystal-clear that the USCF
was also in violation, even if they never paid for the "Informants" imported
from Yugoslavia.

In article ,
NoMoreChess writes

So it seems like the US will pin its hopes on saying Fischer was
exporting his "services", and Yugoslavia was profiting from Fischer's
name, as the letter from the Philippines US embassy stated.

Pretty weak case if you ask me.

Nobody asked you. :-)

If playing chess in front of a paying audience, with television rights,
publication rights, etc., amounting to enough money to cover a five million
U.S. dollar prize fund is not "commerce," then what is?

BTW, the wording of the document posted makes it crystal-clear that the USCF
was also in violation, even if they never paid for the "Informants" imported
from Yugoslavia.

When authorities pick and choose who they want to prosecute for an
alleged crime, on the basis of who they like and don't like, that's
called persecution or victimisation.

The same is true when the authorities decide one moment they won't
prosecute someone, and then decide five years later that they will, when

- 1) the 'evidence' concerning the alleged crime remains exactly the
same, but

- 2) the person is on their way from a second country (Japan) to give a
radio interview in a third country (the Philippines)

- 3) the authorities don't look like they're going to get away with
persecuting another individual (Charles Jenkins) who left the US armed
forces in the 1960s, and therefore would like to make some sort of
public relations 'counter-move'

- 4) as Russell Targ rightly points out, they've got some public
relations problems regarding the economy and their invasion of (and
military enmirement in) a foreign country, and in particular, their
claimed reasons for attacking that country have been widely exposed as
false

I think the 'arbitrary' character of the American government's action is
recognised even by those chit-chatters who would like to see Fischer
deported to an American prison. That's why they go on about Al Capone.
Al Capone was a mass murderer and gangster, who ran a large organisation
and rather than being opposed to the American authorities, controlled
them in a large area. There's no similarity in what the two individuals
have done, so that's not it... The comparison people are thinking of is
something else... The usual 'story' for people who don't think for
themselves very much is simply that the authorities couldn't pin any
violent crime on Capone, therefore they got him for tax evasion. (This
is true to some extent, but what's not told to people who only want a
superficial account - although it's certainly not denied - is that
Capone owned the police and local authority in Chicago [not just
Cicero], but he didn't own the bigger-time mafia of the federal IRS).
Why some people are mentioning this is because they'd love to sit in
their armchairs and watch the US authorities dream up whatever excuse
comes to hand for 'getting' Fischer for what he has said about the US
when he's been outside of the US government's jurisdiction - they are
cheerleading the mentality of the account-settling gangster state.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

I have read this executive order in detail. I cannot find any
provision or paragraph of this Executive Order which prohibits Bobby
Fischer from playing a chess match in Yugoslavia.

Sam Sloan

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:50:51 +0100, banana
wrote:

It's been said that there's no online copy of Executive Order 12810.
Here's one, taken from

http://www.uhuh.com/laws/donncoll/eo/1992/EO12810.TXT:

[12810 was signed 5 June 1992]

[I've also included a schedule of amendments]

***BEGIN COPY***

EX. ORD. NO. 12810. BLOCKING PROPERTY OF AND PROHIBITING
TRANSACTIONS WITH FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA (SERBIA AND
MONTENEGRO)

Ex. Ord. No. 12810, June 5, 1992, 57 F.R. 24347, as amended by
Ex. Ord. No. 12831, Sec. 4, Jan. 15, 1993, 58 F.R. 5253, provided:

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the laws of the United States of America, including the
International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701, et
seq.), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601, et seq.),
section 1114 of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, as amended (49
U.S.C. App. 1514), section 5 of the United Nations Participation
Act of 1945, as amended (22 U.S.C. 287c), and section 301 of title
3 of the United States Code, in view of United Nations Security
Council Resolution No. 757 of May 30, 1992, and in order to take
additional steps with respect to the actions and policies of the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) and the
national emergency described and declared in Executive Order No.
12808 (set out above),

I, GEORGE BUSH, President of the United States of America, hereby
order:

Section 1. Except to the extent provided in regulations, orders,
directives, or licenses which may hereafter be issued pursuant to
this order, and notwithstanding the existence of any rights or
obligations conferred or imposed by any international agreement or
any contract entered into or any license or permit granted before
the effective date of this order, all property and interests in
property of the Government of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro), and property and interests in property
held in the name of the Government of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia or of the former Government of the Socialist Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia, that are in the United States, that
hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter
come within the possession or control of United States persons,
including their overseas branches, are blocked.

Sec. 2. The following are prohibited, notwithstanding the
existence of any rights or obligations conferred or imposed by any
international agreement or any contract entered into or any license
or permit granted before the effective date of this order, except
to the extent provided in regulations, orders, directives, or
licenses which may hereafter be issued pursuant to this order:

(a) The importation into the United States of any goods
originating in, or services performed in, the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), exported from the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) after May 30, 1992,
or any activity that promotes or is intended to promote such
importation;

(b) The exportation to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia
and Montenegro), or to any entity operated from the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), or owned or
controlled by the Government of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro), directly or indirectly, of any goods,
technology (including technical data or other information
controlled for export pursuant to the Export Administration
Regulations, 15 C.F.R. Parts 768, et seq.), or services, either (i)
from the United States, (ii) requiring the issuance of a license by
a Federal agency, or (iii) involving the use of U.S.-registered
vessels or aircraft, or any activity that promotes or is intended
to promote such exportation;

(c) Any dealing by a United States person related to property
originating in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro) exported from the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro) after May 30, 1992, or property intended
for exportation from the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro) to any country, or exportation to the Federal Republic
of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) from any country, or any
activity of any kind that promotes or is intended to promote such
dealing;

(d) Any transaction by a United States person, or involving the
use of U.S.-registered vessels and aircraft, relating to
transportation to or from the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro), the provision of transportation to or from
the United States by any person in the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) or any vessel or aircraft
registered in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro), or the sale in the United States by any person holding
authority under the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, as amended (49
U.S.C. 1301, et seq.) (now 49 U.S.C. 40101 et seq.), of any
transportation by air that includes any stop in the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(e) The granting of permission to any aircraft to take off from,
land in, or overfly the United States, if the aircraft, as part of
the same flight or as a continuation of that flight, is destined to
land in or has taken off from the territory of the Federal Republic
of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(f) The performance by any United States person of any contract,
including a financing contract, in support of an industrial,
commercial, public utility, or governmental project in the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(g) Any commitment or transfer, direct or indirect, of funds, or
other financial or economic resources by any United States person
to or for the benefit of the Government of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) or any other person in the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(h) Any transaction in the United States or by a United States
person related to participation in sporting events in the United
States by persons or groups representing the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro);

(i) (Revoked by Ex. Ord. No. 12831, Sec. 4, Jan. 15, 1993, 58
F.R. 5253.)

Sec. 3. Nothing in this order shall apply to (i) the
transshipment through the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia
and Montenegro) of commodities and products originating outside the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) and
temporarily present in the territory of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) only for the purpose of such
transshipment, and (ii) activities related to the United Nations
Protection Force (UNPROFOR), the Conference on Yugoslavia, or the
European Community Monitor Mission.

Sec. 4. Any transaction by any United States person that evades
or avoids, or has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts
to violate, any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is
prohibited.

Sec. 5. For the purposes of this order:

(a) The term ''United States person'' means any United States
citizen, permanent resident alien, juridical person organized under
the laws of the United States (including foreign branches), or any
person in the United States, and vessels and aircraft of U.S.
registration;

(b) The term ''the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro)'' means the territory of Serbia and Montenegro;

(c) The term ''the Government of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)'' includes the government of the
newly constituted Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, the Government of
Serbia, and the Government of Montenegro, including any
subdivisions thereof or local governments therein, their respective
agencies, instrumentalities and controlled entities, and any
persons acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of any of the
foregoing, including the National Bank of Yugoslavia, the Yugoslav
National Army, and the Yugoslav Chamber of Economy, the National
Bank of Serbia, the Serbian Chamber of Economy, the National Bank
of Montenegro, and the Montenegrin Chamber of Economy.

Sec. 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the
Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to take such actions,
including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ
all powers granted to the President by the International Emergency
Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) and the United Nations
Participation Act (22 U.S.C. 287 et seq.), as may be necessary to
carry out the purposes of this order. Such actions may include
prohibiting or regulating payments or transfers of any property, or
any transactions involving the transfer of anything of economic
value by the (sic) any United States person to the Government of
the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), any
person in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro), or any person or entity acting for or on behalf of, or
owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by any of the
foregoing. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of
these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States
Government, all agencies of which are hereby directed to take all
appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the
provisions of this order, including suspension or termination of
licenses or other authorizations in effect as of the date of this
order.

Sec. 7. All delegations, rules, regulations, orders, licenses,
and other forms of administrative action made, issued, or otherwise
taken under Executive Order No. 12808 (set out above) and not
revoked administratively shall remain in full force and effect
under this order until amended, modified, or terminated by proper
authority.

Sec. 8. Nothing contained in this order shall create any right or
benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable by any party
against the United States, its agencies or instrumentalities, its
officers or employees, or any other person.

Sec. 9. (a) This order is effective immediately.

(b) This order shall be transmitted to the Congress and published
in the Federal Register.

George Bush.

***END COPY***

The following schedule of amendments and revocation is from:

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1992.html:

***BEGIN***

Executive Order 12810
Blocking property of and prohibiting transactions with the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)

Signed:
June 5, 1992
Federal Register page and date:
57 FR 24347; June 9, 1992
Amended by (continued):
Notice, May 25, 1993;
Notice, May 25, 1994;
Notice, May 24, 1996;
Notice, May 28, 1997
Revoked in part by:
EO 12831, January 15, 1993
See:
EO 12846, April 25, 1993;
Final Rule of January 3, 1996 (61 FR 629);
Presidential Determination No. 96-7 of December 27, 1995;
Notice of May 25, 2000;
Notice of May 24, 2001
Revoked by: EO 13304, May 28, 2003

***END***

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

illspam (NoMoreChess) wrote in message ...
.


If playing chess in front of a paying audience, with television rights,
publication rights, etc., amounting to enough money to cover a five million
U.S. dollar prize fund is not "commerce," then what is?


BTW, the wording of the document posted makes it crystal-clear that the USCF
was also in violation, even if they never paid for the "Informants" imported
from Yugoslavia.

I agree with Banana on this one, NoMoreChess.

The only passage I could find that might support the "services"
argument is weak; I reproduce it below. "services" is not defined;
it's just one word. One could argue that all the TV rights,
publication rights, promotional activities, etc were done by the
Yugoslav promoters of the match, not by Fischer. He and Spassky just
showed up and played. The only "service" Fischer imported was his
persona, his name (his trademark if you will). Arguing somebody's
face is a service is stretching the term "service", especially since
an individual performing some task in Yugoslavia is not called out by
the EO as a specifically prohibited task (like a sports team member
playing in Yugoslavia was specifically called out). I would argue
that since the US did not prohibit travel to Yugoslavia (which they
could have), Fischer was free to show up and play a match. The fact
that somebody organized the match, and, like you say, FIDE/USCF
imported materials relating to the match, does not affect Fischer.

NoMo you pay all your taxes, always? I thought so. That's what
this country is becoming: a nation of sterile, law abiding citizens
who obey the letter of the law, and think of clever Biblical rhyme
g. No wonder we're considered past our prime.

RL


(b) The exportation to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia
and Montenegro), or to any entity operated from the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), or owned or
controlled by the Government of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro), directly or indirectly, of any goods,
technology (including technical data or other information
controlled for export pursuant to the Export Administration
Regulations, 15 C.F.R. Parts 768, et seq.), or services, either
(i)
from the United States, (ii) requiring the issuance of a license
by
a Federal agency, or (iii) involving the use of U.S.-registered
vessels or aircraft, or any activity that promotes or is intended
to promote such exportation;

..
Banana is having a little ad hominem daydream.


The real reason that Al Capone's case is being discussed alongside Fischer's,
is that Bobby's "crime" of violating an Executive order, could well end up
being dismissed or minimized into the equivalent of an isolated pawn; but his
other crimes: failure to file and failure to pay income taxes, are (if he falls
into U.S. hands) likely going to hit him hard, like hanging a Queen in midgame.

There is no escape from THIS, except staying out of the grip of U.S.
authorities altogether, as he had originally planned.
The same applied to Al Capone, who went to prison for tax evasion, and they
merely had to show that he did not report all his income. Like it or not,
Bobby is in the very same boat, except there is no reason to expect the courts
to give the maximum sentence. Even if Dubya were, for some strange reason, to
give Fischer a full pardon, he would nonetheless, be in a position not unlike
that of Al Capone, after his aquittal on criminal charges. If you can't see
the parallel, you are as blind as a pair of pigs [i.e. Rooks] on the seventh
rank....

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I agree with Banana on this one, NoMoreChess.

That's nice.


When Fischer's lawyer asked for a ruling on this matter, before his client
went to Yugoslavia to play for $5 million, he was informed by the U.S.
government that it would be a violation of the Executive order
..
As if this were not enough, after Fischer played and won 3.35 million
dollars, a warrant was issued for his arrest by the very same government which
had earlier ruled against Bobby's participation. That's two in a row .

Of course, these are merely experts and lawyers -- what do they know?




Regardless of the merits of the case, we all know that once lawyer Sloan gets
in front of a grand jury, the prosecuters will wish they had never been born.
Fischer will likely be awarded a substantial sum for false arrest, illegal
persecution, libel, slander, and so on.
He'll use the money to pay his income taxes and buy a Lear jet, to fly to the
Phillipines in....
:-)

"raylopez99" wrote in message
om...

But is "chess a sport"? OR is it an "art"?

It is a sport if you open e-4, an art if you open d-4, and a science if you
open c-4.