Sergey Karjakin, who is 14 years old now, drew against the world
champion Vladimir Kramnik in Dortmund. Is it some kind of record? I
can't remember if such a young guy ever drew against the world
champion in a serious game. Thanks in advance for any comments. Maybe
my memory failed?

WOW that young man must be good ,,,Can you post the moves of the game ?

Carlsen drew against Kasparov when he was 13, and in that game he even had
Kasparov on the ropes for some 20 moves or so!


"Mikhail Golubev" wrote in message
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Sergey Karjakin, who is 14 years old now, drew against the world
champion Vladimir Kramnik in Dortmund. Is it some kind of record? I
can't remember if such a young guy ever drew against the world
champion in a serious game. Thanks in advance for any comments. Maybe
my memory failed?

To be sure, I didn't mean to belittle Karjakin's performance, on the
contrary, see his subsequent game against Leko, a very high quality draw.

Equally magnificent is Bologan against Kramnik, BTW.


"PeteCasso" wrote in message
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Carlsen drew against Kasparov when he was 13, and in that game he even had
Kasparov on the ropes for some 20 moves or so!


"Mikhail Golubev" wrote in message
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Sergey Karjakin, who is 14 years old now, drew against the world
champion Vladimir Kramnik in Dortmund. Is it some kind of record? I
can't remember if such a young guy ever drew against the world
champion in a serious game. Thanks in advance for any comments. Maybe
my memory failed?

1) Kasparov wasn't worldchampion when he played Carlsen
2) It was a rapid game.

About the draw of Karjakin against Kramnik it's not such a big thing as in
general for a gm to have draw against Drawnik he just needs to play 20
moves, make sure not to lose a piece in those 20 and then offer draw.

"PeteCasso" schreef in bericht
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Carlsen drew against Kasparov when he was 13, and in that game he even had
Kasparov on the ropes for some 20 moves or so!


"Mikhail Golubev" wrote in message
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Sergey Karjakin, who is 14 years old now, drew against the world
champion Vladimir Kramnik in Dortmund. Is it some kind of record? I
can't remember if such a young guy ever drew against the world
champion in a serious game. Thanks in advance for any comments. Maybe
my memory failed?




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"Mike B" wrote in message
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WOW that young man must be good ,,,Can you post the moves of the game ?

Mike the Official site: www.chessgate.de is a pay per view live broadcast
of the games with audio-stream commentary by German GMs Dr.Helmut Pfleger
and Klaus Bischoff.

However, the game you mention Kramnik/Karjakin is featured [free] in a game
replayer at www.ruschess.com where you can also download the game scores in
..pgn format [also free]

Incidentally, I see he also drew Anand!

Cordially, Phil Innes

You don't do justice to the accomplishments of the youngsters. Even if you
practiced until you are 130 or 140 years old, you would not accomplish a
fraction of what these youngsters have accomplished.


"bruno de baenst" wrote in message
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1) Kasparov wasn't worldchampion when he played Carlsen
2) It was a rapid game.

About the draw of Karjakin against Kramnik it's not such a big thing as in
general for a gm to have draw against Drawnik he just needs to play 20
moves, make sure not to lose a piece in those 20 and then offer draw.

"PeteCasso" schreef in bericht
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Carlsen drew against Kasparov when he was 13, and in that game he even
had
Kasparov on the ropes for some 20 moves or so!


"Mikhail Golubev" wrote in message
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Sergey Karjakin, who is 14 years old now, drew against the world
champion Vladimir Kramnik in Dortmund. Is it some kind of record? I
can't remember if such a young guy ever drew against the world
champion in a serious game. Thanks in advance for any comments. Maybe
my memory failed?




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Of course it are very strong players and I will never be even close to their
strength, I'm just saying that Carlsens game doesn't count for a record
cause it wasn't classic game. And that drawing Kramnik for a GM is not that
hard you just have to ask friendly it seems sometimes. But today Karjakin
probably is even gonna beat Kramnik which of course is fantastic for him. I
must say I also don't like Karjakin very much as I payed 20 euro once to
play him in a simul game and he played way too fast without thinking and
just blundered his rook in less than 20 moves.

"PeteCasso" schreef in bericht
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You don't do justice to the accomplishments of the youngsters. Even if you
practiced until you are 130 or 140 years old, you would not accomplish a
fraction of what these youngsters have accomplished.


"bruno de baenst" wrote in message
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1) Kasparov wasn't worldchampion when he played Carlsen
2) It was a rapid game.

About the draw of Karjakin against Kramnik it's not such a big thing as
in
general for a gm to have draw against Drawnik he just needs to play 20
moves, make sure not to lose a piece in those 20 and then offer draw.

"PeteCasso" schreef in bericht
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Carlsen drew against Kasparov when he was 13, and in that game he even
had
Kasparov on the ropes for some 20 moves or so!


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Sergey Karjakin, who is 14 years old now, drew against the world
champion Vladimir Kramnik in Dortmund. Is it some kind of record? I
can't remember if such a young guy ever drew against the world
champion in a serious game. Thanks in advance for any comments.
Maybe
my memory failed?




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After the WCC in Libya, I'm not so sure anymore that rapid games do not
count because not played under classical time control. The game of chess has
developed to such high levels that classical time control leads to too many
draws as we all know, e.g. 14 out of the 16 games in Dortmund are draws, and
that is so in spite of a lot of fighting chess.

Tie breakers in the form of rapid games are naturally called for, a fighting
game that chess is supposed to be, does require some reasonable level of
result differentiation at the end of the tournament.

Moreover, by the same token, the game of chess has developed to such high
levels that rapid games can be high quality too. Intuitively speaking, at
least the rapid games of the last 8 players of the WCC in Libya are too high
quality for off-handedly declaring them 'do not count games'.

After all, what makes a game valuable is intrinsic quality rather than the
incident circumstance of whether the game has been played under classical
time control or not. There is of course some statistical correlation between
quality and time control, but statistics do not apply to individual games.

FWIW, the Carlsen vs Kasparov game is also high quality, and if you are not
told, you would certainly not know whether the game that you are re-playing
was played under classical time control or not.

I submit that such games (any game, for that matter) should be taken on
their own merits.


"bruno de baenst" wrote in message
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Of course it are very strong players and I will never be even close to
their
strength, I'm just saying that Carlsens game doesn't count for a record
cause it wasn't classic game. And that drawing Kramnik for a GM is not
that
hard you just have to ask friendly it seems sometimes. But today Karjakin
probably is even gonna beat Kramnik which of course is fantastic for him.
I
must say I also don't like Karjakin very much as I payed 20 euro once to
play him in a simul game and he played way too fast without thinking and
just blundered his rook in less than 20 moves.

"PeteCasso" schreef in bericht
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You don't do justice to the accomplishments of the youngsters. Even if
you
practiced until you are 130 or 140 years old, you would not accomplish a
fraction of what these youngsters have accomplished.


"bruno de baenst" wrote in message
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1) Kasparov wasn't worldchampion when he played Carlsen
2) It was a rapid game.

About the draw of Karjakin against Kramnik it's not such a big thing
as
in
general for a gm to have draw against Drawnik he just needs to play 20
moves, make sure not to lose a piece in those 20 and then offer draw.

"PeteCasso" schreef in bericht
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Carlsen drew against Kasparov when he was 13, and in that game he
even
had
Kasparov on the ropes for some 20 moves or so!


"Mikhail Golubev" wrote in message
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Sergey Karjakin, who is 14 years old now, drew against the world
champion Vladimir Kramnik in Dortmund. Is it some kind of record?
I
can't remember if such a young guy ever drew against the world
champion in a serious game. Thanks in advance for any comments.
Maybe
my memory failed?




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(Mikhail Golubev) wrote in message . com...

Sergey Karjakin, who is 14 years old now, drew against
the world champion Vladimir Kramnik in Dortmund. Is it
some kind of record? I can't remember if such a young
guy ever drew against the world champion in a serious
game. Thanks in advance for any comments. Maybe
my memory failed?

One of the wins of Karjakin against Kosteniuk was
in my opinion even better than the Fischer's "game
of the century" against Donald Byrne (or another
against Robert Byrn, Donald's brother).

He has a tougher copmpetition for the world
champion title than Fischer had at his time,
but he should still manage.

Wlod