Sorry, Matt, I got things mixed up. It was the next war, against Iraq, that
Bush declared to be ended. I dont really know: is the US still at war with
Afghanistan?
And: If these prisoners are POWs why are they not granted the rights that
POWs have according to the Geneva Convention?
I still fail to see the difference between Guantanomo and siberian
concentration camps. Maybe you could explain the difference?
Hans J

"D Coffey" wrote in message
...
"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
. ..

This is the conclusion I've reached after reading

"Backing Hitler"

At last we're back to Fischer!

Can you imagine if a (chess champion or otherwise) Arab-American had violated
U.S. law and made the kind of statements Fischer has made?

His head would be on John Ashcroft's wall...

In article , michael adams
writes

banana wrote:

[If you want to help get him released as soon as possible, please
continue to contact Japanese officials, including at embassies abroad,
even if you've already done this.
-banana]

From 'Associated Press', online at:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/politics/9260755.htm:

***BEGIN ARTICLE***

Posted on Wed, Jul. 28, 2004

Bobby Fishcer Deportation Appeal Rejected

ERIC TALMADGE

Associated Press

TOKYO - Japanese immigration officials have rejected former world chess
champion Bobby Fischer's appeal of their decision to deport him for
attempting to travel on an invalid U.S. passport, and adviser to Fischer
said Wednesday.

snip

As I understand it in Japan, if the authorities sieze you, you ARE
guilty. Open & shut case. Black & white, like the unforgiving squares on
any old chess-board. Fischer will just have to cop it, starvation,
routine sadism, tied out on a post under the rising sun..

As for the 'assumed guilty', are you sure you aren't thinking of
Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graibh, or Mazar-i-Sharif?

As for the routine sadims, are you sure you aren't thinking of prisons
generally in the US?

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

In article , Jürgen R.
writes

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:27:25 +1000, michael adams
wrote:

banana wrote:

[If you want to help get him released as soon as possible, please
continue to contact Japanese officials, including at embassies abroad,
even if you've already done this.
-banana]

From 'Associated Press', online at:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/politics/9260755.htm:

***BEGIN ARTICLE***

Posted on Wed, Jul. 28, 2004

Bobby Fishcer Deportation Appeal Rejected

ERIC TALMADGE

Associated Press

TOKYO - Japanese immigration officials have rejected former world chess
champion Bobby Fischer's appeal of their decision to deport him for
attempting to travel on an invalid U.S. passport, and adviser to Fischer
said Wednesday.

snip

As I understand it in Japan, if the authorities sieze you, you ARE
guilty. Open & shut case. Black & white, like the unforgiving squares on
any old chess-board. Fischer will just have to cop it, starvation,
routine sadism, tied out on a post under the rising sun..

...and then off to Guantanamo with him.

Stranger things have happened. Or Marion prison in Illinois maybe?

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

In article LLMNc.202317$Oq2.115366@attbi_s52, Matt Nemmers
writes

"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
...
I have never been to Guantanamo, not yet, that is. Is it some kind of
university where people unacquanted with american ways can study american
and international law, the bill of rights, the christian/american concept
of
freedom as opposed to the islamic? Or is it, as some maintain, a
concentration camp just like the ones they had in Nazi-Germany and in
stalinist Soviet Union?
Hans J. Lassen

Guantanamo Bay is a U.S. Marine Corps base on the communist island of Cuba.
It's not Disneyland and I wouldn't recommend going there to study, but it's
no concentration camp. As long as you're not caught in the United States
figuring out how or trying to kill Americans or blow **** up, that is.

I thought discussants were considering precisely the conditions for the
captives rather than for anyone else. You'll be aware that none of them
have been tried.

How many Americans do you think most of the prisoners in Guantanamo who
fought on the government side in Afghanistan were 'figuring out how or
trying to kill' before the US armed forces invaded?

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

In article BkNNc.185209$JR4.33458@attbi_s54, Matt Nemmers
writes

"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
...
I was not aware that any of the guests of the US government at Guantanamo
were caught in the US. Neither was I aware that any of them had been
involved in terrorist activities in the US. If there is proof that these
guys are terrorists, why are they not put on trial?
If the prisoners are being held for no legal reason (and that seems to be
the case, as they are not being prosecuted), then Guantanomo is a
concentration camp.
Hans J.

Negative, ghost-writer. They are POWs.

They are indeed POWs but their captors do not recognise them as such.
Which isn't surprising, since the very act of their deportation was
contrary to international law governing the treatment of POWs.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

In article , Hans Jørgen
Lassen writes

Matt, if the prisoners at Guantanamo are POW's, as you say, they should have
been sent home at the end of the war. Mr. Bush did declare the war for ended
some time ago, didnt he?
Still detaining them is an act without any legal basis, that is an criminal
act.

It is more than that - it is a war crime.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

In article , Hans Jørgen
Lassen writes

Sorry, Matt, I got things mixed up. It was the next war, against Iraq, that
Bush declared to be ended. I dont really know: is the US still at war with
Afghanistan?
And: If these prisoners are POWs why are they not granted the rights that
POWs have according to the Geneva Convention?
I still fail to see the difference between Guantanomo and siberian
concentration camps. Maybe you could explain the difference?
Hans J

Guantanamo is a concentration camp, but there is a difference between it
and the Siberian concentration camps. The former is about torturing
information out of possible opponents of the US and Israeli forces, and
about terrorising those in various places of the world, but especially
in Muslim areas, with regard to what they are threatened with by the
numero uno imperial fascist regime in the world. Let us recall the
gruesome fact that US forces have not ruled out mass executions in
Guantanamo.

The 'Soviet' camps in Siberia and elsewhere, in which millions died,
were about *work*, e.g. in primary industries such as gold-mining and
timber; and to the extent that they were about terror outside of the
camps, they were mainly about threatening workers and others who might
possibly step out of line. After WW2 many POWs from various other
countries, notably Poland, and originating in many countries, from Spain
to Japan, were incarcerated in concentration camps, but this wasn't
mainly about threatening the non-incarcerated populations in those
countries, not even in ones occupied by the 'Soviet' armed forces such
as Poland. Really when it comes down to it, in most cases, it was
because they were available and had muscles in their bodies.

If one wanted to simplify and use as few words as possible, one could do
worse than call the US concentration camps 'terror' camps, and the
'Soviet' concentration camps 'work' camps.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry, Matt, I got things mixed up. It was the next war, against Iraq,
that
Bush declared to be ended. I dont really know: is the US still at war with
Afghanistan?
And: If these prisoners are POWs why are they not granted the rights that
POWs have according to the Geneva Convention?
I still fail to see the difference between Guantanomo and siberian
concentration camps. Maybe you could explain the difference?
Hans J



There is no difference.

This is the conclusion I've reached after reading

"Backing Hitler"

a seminal study of how Hitler came to power,
including an indepth study of the use of Hitler's concentration camps.

The similarities are disturbing.

Similarities b/w Guantanamo and Dachau that is.

You are right. This is Bull****, with a capital B.

and that stands for Bush, who must go now.

God DAMN this ****es me OFF