"banana" wrote in message
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In article LLMNc.202317$Oq2.115366@attbi_s52, Matt Nemmers
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"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
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I have never been to Guantanamo, not yet, that is. Is it some kind of
university where people unacquanted with american ways can study
american
and international law, the bill of rights, the christian/american
concept
of
freedom as opposed to the islamic? Or is it, as some maintain, a
concentration camp just like the ones they had in Nazi-Germany and in
stalinist Soviet Union?
Hans J. Lassen

Guantanamo Bay is a U.S. Marine Corps base on the communist island of
Cuba.
It's not Disneyland and I wouldn't recommend going there to study, but
it's
no concentration camp. As long as you're not caught in the United States
figuring out how or trying to kill Americans or blow **** up, that is.

I thought discussants were considering precisely the conditions for the
captives rather than for anyone else. You'll be aware that none of them
have been tried.

How many Americans do you think most of the prisoners in Guantanamo who
fought on the government side in Afghanistan were 'figuring out how or
trying to kill' before the US armed forces invaded?

It always amazes me how much concern people have for people they don't know,
being held in a place they've never been, for reasons unbeknownst to them
because they read on the Internet that it's a bad place and Sam Sloan says
they're being mistreated.

This is why I can't stand many liberals. They don't think any other country
out there should cow-tow to any others with regards to religion, their
military, or their adherence to the Geneva Conventions in a time of conflict
except the United States.

One of the main reasons I like and respect my Commander In Chief so much is
because -- although he doesn't always come off as the smartest guy in
speeches -- he does what's right, is a man of action and not words, and told
the bleeding heart, pussified countries of the world who were against us
going into Iraq to go **** themselves.

My two cents.

Regards,

Matt

banana wrote:

zit


TOKYO - Japanese immigration officials have rejected former world chess
champion Bobby Fischer's appeal of their decision to deport him for
attempting to travel on an invalid U.S. passport, and adviser to Fischer
said Wednesday.

snip

As I understand it in Japan, if the authorities sieze you, you ARE
guilty. Open & shut case. Black & white, like the unforgiving squares on
any old chess-board. Fischer will just have to cop it, starvation,
routine sadism, tied out on a post under the rising sun..

As for the 'assumed guilty', are you sure you aren't thinking of
Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graibh, or Mazar-i-Sharif?

Yep, quite sure..


As for the routine sadims, are you sure you aren't thinking of prisons
generally in the US?

No, actually I was thinking of kneeling prisoners, necks outstretched, &
some arrogant prick waltzing around with a katana..


--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

In article , michael adams
writes

banana wrote:

snip

As for the routine sadims, are you sure you aren't thinking of prisons
generally in the US?

No, actually I was thinking of kneeling prisoners, necks outstretched, &
some arrogant prick waltzing around with a katana..

A lot of the guards at Abu Graibh learnt their 'style' in the
Corrections Service in the US.

It's not just a matter of what's been on the front page of the
newspapers.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

In article abVNc.187348$JR4.174852@attbi_s54, Matt Nemmers
writes

"banana" wrote in message
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In article LLMNc.202317$Oq2.115366@attbi_s52, Matt Nemmers
writes

"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
...

snip

I thought discussants were considering precisely the conditions for the
captives rather than for anyone else. You'll be aware that none of them
have been tried.

How many Americans do you think most of the prisoners in Guantanamo who
fought on the government side in Afghanistan were 'figuring out how or
trying to kill' before the US armed forces invaded?

It always amazes me how much concern people have for people they don't know,
being held in a place they've never been, for reasons unbeknownst to them

Something's wrong with you then.

because they read on the Internet that it's a bad place and Sam Sloan says
they're being mistreated.

I stopped reading there. Get some concern.

My two cents.

No deal.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:13:08 +1000, michael adams
wrote:

banana wrote:

zit


TOKYO - Japanese immigration officials have rejected former world chess
champion Bobby Fischer's appeal of their decision to deport him for
attempting to travel on an invalid U.S. passport, and adviser to Fischer
said Wednesday.

snip

As I understand it in Japan, if the authorities sieze you, you ARE
guilty. Open & shut case. Black & white, like the unforgiving squares on
any old chess-board. Fischer will just have to cop it, starvation,
routine sadism, tied out on a post under the rising sun..

As for the 'assumed guilty', are you sure you aren't thinking of
Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graibh, or Mazar-i-Sharif?

Yep, quite sure..


As for the routine sadims, are you sure you aren't thinking of prisons
generally in the US?

No, actually I was thinking of kneeling prisoners, necks outstretched, &
some arrogant prick waltzing around with a katana..

Indeed, there is an eerie symmetry to these horrors. I too would like
to think that 'we' (i.e. the presumably civilized West) ought to be
morally in the stronger position. And it doesn't look like that ought
to be difficult, but evidently it is. Perhaps Abu Graibh was an
aberration, and similarly the cages in Guantanamo. But systematically
bombing a country four 12 years? And locking people up in camps by the
thousands, without bothering with any legal niceties whatsoever? And
Bush II says: "They hate us because we love freedom", and for all I
know he is stupid enough to believe that. It is dangerous to elect
people who as dumb and as brutal as B2 to important offices.

Jürgen




--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

"drahmiel" wrote in message
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Can you imagine if a (chess champion or otherwise) Arab-American had
violated
U.S. law and made the kind of statements Fischer has made?

Yep. Probably a recipe for bad news.

His head would be on John Ashcroft's wall...

Doubtful. The Arabs got the monopoly on the head-chopping biz.

Regards,

Matt

"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
. ..

I have never been to Guantanamo, not yet, that is. Is it some kind of
university where people unacquanted with american ways can study american
and international law, the bill of rights, the christian/american concept
of
freedom as opposed to the islamic? Or is it, as some maintain, a
concentration camp just like the ones they had in Nazi-Germany and in
stalinist Soviet Union?

Neither. It is a place where captured terrorist are kept.

"Holger Weber" wrote in message
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Negative. They are so-called "enemy combatants", not protected by the
Geneva
convention. There are at least 50.000 held by the US in several camps
around
the world including US battleships. Among them are many children.

I didn't know we still had any battleships. We must have them otherwise a
lot of people like you would look stupid for believing it.

"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
. ..

Matt, if the prisoners at Guantanamo are POW's, as you say, they should
have
been sent home at the end of the war. Mr. Bush did declare the war for
ended
some time ago, didnt he?

Which war? The one with Al Qaeda is still on. ( And now Gomer Tomer becomes
Hans Jørgen Lassen?)

"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
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And: If these prisoners are POWs why are they not granted the rights that
POWs have according to the Geneva Convention?

Which rights would they be?

I still fail to see the difference between Guantanomo and siberian
concentration camps. Maybe you could explain the difference?

About 70 degrees.