In article , David Ames
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(NoMoreChess) wrote in message news:200407290
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One of the main reasons I like and respect my Commander In Chief so much is
because -- although he doesn't always come off as the smartest guy in
speeches -- he does what's right, is a man of action and not words, and told
the bleeding heart, pussified countries of the world who were against us
going into Iraq to go **** themselves.

My two cents.

Regards,

Matt


Nominated for a brewski!

Those of us who are civilians don't have a Commander in Chief. We
don't have to take military orders or stand up for orders we don't
respect. Trying to run someone else's country when you can't run your
own is foolish.

From an anti-ruler point of view, I would caution against the criticism
that oppressive acts or policies by the rulers are 'foolish'. Sometimes
they are, of course. Sometimes, though, they aren't, but nonetheless get
called this by some of us who oppose them. This can obscure the way the
rulers deliberately engineer events and control large-scale
developments.

(One current example is the way that a few junior science journalists
who think they're really cool, are saying the UK government's ID card
policy is really stupid and won't work. There are elements of a
contradiction between effectiveness and corruption, but with something
so important it's not as if those who steer things from the very top
aren't aware of this).

Note that Fischer was on the way to give a radio interview in the
Phillippines when he was captured.

He is certainly right that "there's a real possibility" that the US
'passport revokation' letter was cooked up after the CIA learnt he'd
bought his ticket. He is also right to pose the question "What world are
you living in?" to people who think "that can't happen".

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

In article , David Ames
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"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message news:41078fc7$0$141
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I have never been to Guantanamo, not yet, that is. Is it some kind of
university where people unacquanted with american ways can study american
and international law, the bill of rights, the christian/american concept of
freedom as opposed to the islamic? Or is it, as some maintain, a
concentration camp just like the ones they had in Nazi-Germany and in
stalinist Soviet Union?
Hans J. Lassen

It is a military base. My sister's husband has been there. Military
law is different from civil law.

Not trying to be pedantic, but for the record, I thought it was a naval
base.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

"David Ames" wrote in message
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Trying to seem competent, when in fact one is incompetent, is foolish.
Someone should have asked his smart Daddy's advice, why Daddy didn't
have the army march into Baghdad when he had the chance.

David Ames

Of course, this is only your opinion and pure conjecture, but hey -- bash
away. You people seem good at that.

Regards,

Matt

In article sGcOc.209935$Oq2.73094@attbi_s52, Matt Nemmers
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"David Ames" wrote in message
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Trying to seem competent, when in fact one is incompetent, is foolish.
Someone should have asked his smart Daddy's advice, why Daddy didn't
have the army march into Baghdad when he had the chance.

David Ames

Of course, this is only your opinion and pure conjecture, but hey -- bash
away. You people seem good at that.

Why don't you state your own opinion if you don't like David's?

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
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Stan, were all these guys at Guantanamo soldiers in Bin Laden's army? Has
it
been proved that just one of them engaged in terrorist activities? Has it
been proved that all and each of them did?

No. Has it been proved that they haven't? Are you saying Bin Laden's boys
were based in Denmark and not Afghanistan? Do you really mean to say that we
rounded up a bunch of civilians who were walking down the wrong side of the
street and now we are keeping them locked up for the hell of it? I'll tell
you what, you agree to give them a job and a place to stay and I'll ask
Pres. Bush to send them to Denmark.

On 29 Jul 2004 18:25:12 -0700, (Nick) wrote:

Doubtful. The Arabs got the monopoly on the head-chopping biz.

'zuo jing guan tian'

On the contrary, in fact, beheading is a method of execution that has been
practised by the peoples of many different cultures, perhaps most famously
by the French with the guillotine. The English regarded being beheaded
(by an axe, such as in the case of Thomas More) as a more dignified way to
die than being hanged, and it even was considered a privilege of nobility.
After the Second World War, many convicted Japanese war criminals would have
much preferred to have been executed by being beheaded (by a samurai sword)
than by being hanged, which they perceived as degrading to their martial honour.

Nick might want to reflect on the phrase, "that was then and this is
now".


--Nick

It used to be a principle of justice, also in the US, that people are
innocent until their guilt has been proved. You (and your government) now
seem to prefer the opposite principle: that people are assumed guilty, until
they have proved they are not. I would not call that change progress; its
returning to medieval practices. And even on these medieval principles they
ought to get a chance to prove their innocence. It seems to me that law and
order has been suspended.
If you had happened to be in Afghanistan at the time, you would risk being
sent to Guantanamo, guilty or not guilty, that wouldnt matter. Do you find
that acceptable?
Your religious faith in your government and army is somewhat naive, I think.
Do you also find torturing and humiliating prisoners quite all right? These
guys just got what they deserved? Or what?
Hans J.


"StanB" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
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Stan, were all these guys at Guantanamo soldiers in Bin Laden's army?
Has
it
been proved that just one of them engaged in terrorist activities? Has
it
been proved that all and each of them did?

No. Has it been proved that they haven't? Are you saying Bin Laden's boys
were based in Denmark and not Afghanistan? Do you really mean to say that
we
rounded up a bunch of civilians who were walking down the wrong side of
the
street and now we are keeping them locked up for the hell of it? I'll tell
you what, you agree to give them a job and a place to stay and I'll ask
Pres. Bush to send them to Denmark.

"banana" wrote in message
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In article sGcOc.209935$Oq2.73094@attbi_s52, Matt Nemmers
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"David Ames" wrote in message
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Trying to seem competent, when in fact one is incompetent, is foolish.
Someone should have asked his smart Daddy's advice, why Daddy didn't
have the army march into Baghdad when he had the chance.

David Ames

Of course, this is only your opinion and pure conjecture, but hey -- bash
away. You people seem good at that.

Why don't you state your own opinion if you don't like David's?

I think I've stated my opinion enough on this forum to **** off 95% of the
posters here. If you want to know what I think, in the words of Casey
Stengel, "you could look it up." (As my 10-4 good buddy Jerry Bibuld is
fond of saying.)

Regards,

Matt

What war was declared???!!!!
Er.....lessee....they tried to destroy the Pentagon for one, they killed
over a thousand or more people for two.....and you ask what war....Look,
I'll make it real simple. It is a war on terrorisim. And I don't give a
rat's ass what some fools think on here....."WE", the US, is not going to
put up with that crap.
"Chess One" wrote in message
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"Matt Nemmers" wrote in message
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"Hans Jørgen Lassen" wrote in message
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I was not aware that any of the guests of the US government at
Guantanamo
were caught in the US. Neither was I aware that any of them had been
involved in terrorist activities in the US. If there is proof that
these
guys are terrorists, why are they not put on trial?
If the prisoners are being held for no legal reason (and that seems to
be
the case, as they are not being prosecuted), then Guantanomo is a
concentration camp.
Hans J.

Negative, ghost-writer. They are POWs.

Not actually POWs under the Geneva convention, Matt. What war was
declared?
The US Consitution says that only the Congress can declare a war. How many
internees are at Guantanamo as the result of a declared war? How many are
there otherwise? Is Fischer a war criminal? Or didn't he pay his tax bill?
I'm confused. Phil

Regards,

Matt

I thought all of the terrorist that tried to destroy the Pentagon died in
the crash?
Of course they may have had helpers. Has it been proved that there are any
serious links between all those prisoners held at Guantanamo and the
terrorists of september 11th? Or do these guys just look suspicious, with a
big beard and a mysterious complexion, unamerican clothing and so on, so we
better lock them up, just in case?
Hans J


"Curt Seefeldt" skrev i en meddelelse
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What war was declared???!!!!
Er.....lessee....they tried to destroy the Pentagon for one, they killed
over a thousand or more people for two.....and you ask what war....Look,
I'll make it real simple. It is a war on terrorisim. And I don't give a
rat's ass what some fools think on here....."WE", the US, is not going to
put up with that crap.