In your contribution "Reminiscing Fischer's past (Part I)" you speak about
Spasski's shameful and ugly tricks
in the candidate match against Korchnoy. Which ugly tricks?



Regards, Peter



"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski" wrote in message
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"Peter van der Hoog" wrote in message
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In one of the radio-interviews Fischer accused
Spasski of pre-arranged games, losing deliberately
to make him, Fischer, look weaker.

From what I read it may be true that Spasski lost
at least the last game on purpose, possibly more
than one. Spasski can play even serious games
in about any style there is out there. But in this
case he played like a coffee house player, attaking
recklessly. The organizers (they were gangsters after
all) told Spassky something like "finish this match or
else". He had enough of common sense to listen to
to them. The match was taking too long, it was costing
them too much money.

Regards,

Wlod

"Alan OBrien" wrote in message
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I think we all know now that almost all of the match was pre-arranged.
Spassky has admitted it but of course Fischer never will.

Then please cite some specific source(s) in print and his complete statements
in context in which Boris Spassky 'admitted' (according to Alan O'Brien) that
'almost all of the (1992 Fischer-Spassky) match was pre-arranged'. Thanks.

--Nick

In your contribution "Reminiscing Fischer's past (Part I)" you speak about
Spasski's shameful and ugly tricks in the candidate match against Korchnoy.
Which ugly tricks?

In "Bobby Fischer Goes to War", Spasski gets a lot of attention. It looks
like Edmond and Eidinov (both Jewish) had a lot of contact with him and his
(ex)-wife. They describe Spasski's admiration for Dostoevsky (with his
attacks on Yiddishism), and the curious way Spasski depicts himself in
"Grand Strategy" as an "honorable anti-Semite". Spasski's anti-Semitism is
explained by the fact that a number of the leaders of the international
Bolshevistic movement were Jewish.
Edmond and Eidinov: Because so many sovjet-chessmasters and authorities were
Jewish and also members of the Communistic Party, we have to assume that he
was able to separate his professional relation from his historic antipathy.

Regards, Peter

Thanks for this info. You say 'another trusted source'. Was the first
one Dominic Lawson?

I should have put "trusted" between comma's, and only refer to Jan Timman.
At the time I had no idea how trustful Dominic Lawson or the Russian article
was but they proofed to be right.



"banana" wrote in message
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In article , Peter van der Hoog
writes

The link I gave ends in the middle of the discussion about Spasski's
presumed anti-Semitism, which that makes it quite incomprensible. This
was
my initial contribution in the discussion:

How unbelievable it seems, with such a nice man as Spasski, but it is
true.
Spasski's anti-Semitism is confirmed by another trusted source: Jan
Timman.

He described a diner in Paris together with Boris Spasski and Bobby
Fischer,
organized by van Oosterom. Timman found it very curious to see Boris and
Bobby, both Jewish, talk the whole evening about World Jewish conspiracy
and
Spasski fully agreeing with Fischer.

Thanks for this info. You say 'another trusted source'. Was the first
one Dominic Lawson? Does Lawson give any detailed info on what Spassky
is supposed to have done or said? What did he actually say in the 'New
in Chess' interview?

I'd also be interested with regard to Nigel Short. Having a 'racial
theory of chess' would certainly be utterly despicable... However,
Lawson is not a reliable source - he is well in with SIS (MI6). Although
of course what he says here may be true.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

Fischer meant that in the years after the 1972 match Spasski deliberately
lost from other players, like Karpov, to make him look weak.


"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski" wrote in message
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"Peter van der Hoog" wrote in message
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In one of the radio-interviews Fischer accused
Spasski of pre-arranged games, losing deliberately
to make him, Fischer, look weaker.

I meant, in my previous post, their 2nd match.
I am sure that that's what Fischer meant too.

Wlod

Thanks Banana, Tinyurl is great and from now on I will not use anything
else!

Maybe I drop Geoffrey Miller's theory altogether. It does not fit Fischer at
all. Maybe I change the statement into:

In the light of the key role "retardation and neotony" played in the
development of the human brain it's interesting to learn how females reacted
on Fischer and how Fischer reacted on females.

"banana" wrote in message
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In article , Peter van der Hoog
writes

It's not the first time Timman witnessed Spasski's anti-Semitism. I hope
you
are able to follow this ugly link:


http://www.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr...131149%24qm4.1
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hor:van%2Bauthor:der%2Bauthor:hoog%26hl%3Dnl%26lr %3D%26ie%3DUTF-
8%26selm%3DFzjqa
.131149%2524qm4.15323331%2540amsnews03.chello.com %26rnum%3D1

Thanks for this.

BTW you may find the facility at http://tinyurl.com useful.
It enables the creation of shorter links, e.g. I created the following
for the above URL:

http://tinyurl.com/3m74c

Or the link to the thread could be:


http://www.google.nl/groups?threadm=...s03.chello.com

BTW I read some of the stuff at your website recently, including the
article on 'Fischer and Women', prefaced with the statement that:

In the light of the key role sexual selection played in the
development of the human brain it's interesting to learn how females
reacted on Fischer and how Fischer reacted on females. Here you find
a collection of articles and quotes, which are related to Fischer and
women.

But how *do* you 'read' those articles and quotes in the light of
the hypothesised 'key role'?

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

"Peter van der Hoog" wrote in message ...

In your contribution "Reminiscing Fischer's past (Part I)"
you speak about Spasski's shameful and ugly tricks
in the candidate match against Korchnoy. Which ugly tricks?



Regards, Peter

What Spasski was doing in their LAST candidate
match was even against the chess rules. The
match referree didn't fulfill his duties, was
not alert enough (I don't remember who he was).

Wlod

banana wrote:
Thanks for this info. You say 'another trusted source'. Was the first
one Dominic Lawson? Does Lawson give any detailed info on what Spassky
is supposed to have done or said?

I quoted the relevant passage from Lawson's `The Inner Game' a few
months ago in the article

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=W1...enend.org.u k


However, Lawson is not a reliable source - he is well in with SIS (MI6).

Allegedly.


Dave.

--
David Richerby Transparent Miniature Watch (TM):
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a precision chronometer but
you can hold in it your hand and you
can see right through it!

Claus van de Vlierd wrote in
message ...
Hello,
a) perhaps I should add some specific info to the tread I ignited :
in "New in Chess Magazine 5/2004" ther is an interview with former
World Chess Champion Boris Spassky (p. 30 - 35).
(snipped)

My suggestion to Claus van de Vlierd would be that he should attempt to quote
*more of the context* around each Boris Spassky statement that he cites,
particularly as he seems to be asking the readers here to decide to what
extent, based on those statements, Spassky could be considered anti-Jewish.

I have been able to read the complete interview in 'New in Chess' (5/2004),
and, while I would concur with Claus van de Vlierd that Spassky evidently
has made some objectionable anti-Jewish comments, *after reading the complete
context* (which Claus van de Vlierd did not quote), *some* of Spassky's
statements seem like they *could* have some more innocent *potential
explanations* than Claus van de Vlierd may have concluded about them.

I do *not* condone everything that Boris Spassky said in that interview,
but it seems to me that knowing its complete context would be helpful to
understanding better what Spassky really meant by his statements.

--Nick