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Old August 4th 04, 11:39 AM
Alan OBrien
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An intereting way of determing who is white in the first game of the
Kramnik-Leko match.

"Peter Leko will start the the game one with white. A two minute blitz game
was held between two players to decide who would get white in game one. That
blitz game was played under different rules. Adriana Madeira a
representative of the Ticino region selected the f5 square, under the rules
the first player to place a piece on f5 will start with white in the first
game of the World Chess Championship.

P.Leko
V.Kramnik
Blitz game for colors - Danneman

1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Qe2 Nf6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. g3 Be7 6. Bg2 dxe4 7. dxe4 e5 8.
0-0 0-0 9. c3 a5 10. a4 h6 11. Rd1 Bd6 12. Na3 Qe7 13. Nb5 Rd8 14. h3 Qf8
15. Be3 Be6 16. Nh4 Rd7 17. Nf5

(Leko placed the knight on the color winning secret square)"

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Old August 4th 04, 02:14 PM
PeteCasso
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In the Amber/Monaco round robin tournament, the drawing of the lots, which
determine colours, was by having the players make felt pen drawings of one
of the two dogs of the sponsoring family. They could graciously choose which
dog they wanted to make a drawing of, because the two black Labradors look
pretty well the same. Anyway, the felt pen drawings were then ranked by a
local artist.

Shirov, after a valiant artistic effort, finally crossed out whatever art he
produced and was ranked last. The other players did not fare to well as
artists either. All players were grateful that they did not have to make a
drawing of one of their own. It is not fun to be depicted as a stick man.

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"Alan OBrien" wrote in message
k...
An intereting way of determing who is white in the first game of the
Kramnik-Leko match.

"Peter Leko will start the the game one with white. A two minute blitz

game
was held between two players to decide who would get white in game one.

That
blitz game was played under different rules. Adriana Madeira a
representative of the Ticino region selected the f5 square, under the

rules
the first player to place a piece on f5 will start with white in the first
game of the World Chess Championship.

P.Leko
V.Kramnik
Blitz game for colors - Danneman

1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Qe2 Nf6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. g3 Be7 6. Bg2 dxe4 7. dxe4 e5

8.
0-0 0-0 9. c3 a5 10. a4 h6 11. Rd1 Bd6 12. Na3 Qe7 13. Nb5 Rd8 14. h3 Qf8
15. Be3 Be6 16. Nh4 Rd7 17. Nf5

(Leko placed the knight on the color winning secret square)"

--
Work like the ponies in coalmines.
Dance like the teardrop explodes.
Love like you're Frank in Blue Velvet.
Sing as though your little throat would burst.




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Old August 4th 04, 03:21 PM
Bill Smythe
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"Alan OBrien" wrote:
"Peter Leko will start the the game one with white. A two minute blitz

game
was held between two players to decide who would get white in game one.

That
blitz game was played under different rules. Adriana Madeira a
representative of the Ticino region selected the f5 square, under the

rules
the first player to place a piece on f5 will start with white in the first
game of the World Chess Championship.


Either this is a hoax, or you're missing some important parts of the story.

First, I assume by "piece" you mean "non-pawn", otherwise black has a forced
win with 1....f5.

Second, black has a serious threat in 1....Nh6 followed by 2....Nf5. To
counter this, white MUST open 1. d4 (or 1. d3) so that he can play 2.
Bxh6.

Third, in the game you cite, both white and black blundered on their
respective first moves (for the reasons stated above). Given that fact,
however, white could then have forced a win with 2. Qf3 .

Bill Smythe



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Old August 4th 04, 06:54 PM
Ed Gaillard
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In article ,
Bill Smythe wrote:
"Alan OBrien" wrote:
"Peter Leko will start the the game one with white. A two minute blitz

game
was held between two players to decide who would get white in game one.

That
blitz game was played under different rules. Adriana Madeira a
representative of the Ticino region selected the f5 square, under the

rules
the first player to place a piece on f5 will start with white in the first
game of the World Chess Championship.


Either this is a hoax, or you're missing some important parts of the story.


The part that's missing is that the players weren't told what the
winning square was.

-ed g.
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Old August 4th 04, 08:04 PM
Bill Smythe
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"Ed Gaillard" wrote:
The part that's missing is that the players weren't told what the
winning square was.


Now THAT'S interesting. I assume, however, that it had to be on the 3rd,
4th, 5th, or 6th rank. Or if not, that the player already occupying that
square would have to first vacate it, then re-occupy it.

This reminds me of Bomb Chess. At the start of the game, each player
secretly designates (in writing) one of his pieces or pawns as his Bomb. If
his opponent ever captures it, he loses immediately.

To prevent premature finishes, it is necessary to prohibit naming the queen
as the Bomb. And, of course, naming the king as the Bomb would not be legal
either.

Bill Smythe



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Old August 4th 04, 09:18 PM
chapman Billy
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Bill Smythe wrote:

"Alan OBrien" wrote:
"Peter Leko will start the the game one with white. A two minute blitz

game
was held between two players to decide who would get white in game one.

That
blitz game was played under different rules. Adriana Madeira a
representative of the Ticino region selected the f5 square, under the

rules
the first player to place a piece on f5 will start with white in the
first game of the World Chess Championship.


Either this is a hoax, or you're missing some important parts of the
story.

First, I assume by "piece" you mean "non-pawn", otherwise black has a
forced
win with 1....f5.

Second, black has a serious threat in 1....Nh6 followed by 2....Nf5.
To
counter this, white MUST open 1. d4 (or 1. d3) so that he can play 2.
Bxh6.

Third, in the game you cite, both white and black blundered on their
respective first moves (for the reasons stated above). Given that fact,
however, white could then have forced a win with 2. Qf3 .


From Alan's post:

"(Leko placed the knight on the color winning secret square)."

Note the word "secret"; i.e. the players did *not* know which square it was
at the start of play. This is a method I have seen before. Note that Leko's
first move was 1. e4, so it would have been a brave man who replied with
the winning (sic) 1...f5.

Regards,

Simon.

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Old August 4th 04, 10:37 PM
Alan OBrien
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"Bill Smythe" wrote in message
...
"Ed Gaillard" wrote:
The part that's missing is that the players weren't told what the
winning square was.


Now THAT'S interesting.


But it was available in the OP.
"(Leko placed the knight on the color winning secret square)".
It could have been clearer, in fact.


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Old August 5th 04, 04:41 AM
Leopold
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"Ed Gaillard" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill Smythe wrote:
"Alan OBrien" wrote:
"Peter Leko will start the the game one with white. A two minute blitz

game
was held between two players to decide who would get white in game one.

That
blitz game was played under different rules. Adriana Madeira a
representative of the Ticino region selected the f5 square, under the

rules
the first player to place a piece on f5 will start with white in the

first
game of the World Chess Championship.


Either this is a hoax, or you're missing some important parts of the

story.

The part that's missing is that the players weren't told what the
winning square was.

-ed g.


I just take a white pawn and a black pawn and mix them up in my hands behind
my back and then i let my opponent pick a hand.
Leopold


 




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