In article .com, "Mark
Houlsby" wrote:

Well... be sure to work doubly hard on *improving your game* instead of
just working doubly hard on finding some wunderkind-or-other on ICC
(where wunderkinder are a-dime-a-dozen, it seems).

For what it's worth, I know a kid who achieved an ICC bullet rating of
2709 when he was 15 or 16 (handle is Speedster). His USCF rating is around
2000.

Bullet ratings are what they are.

--
Frisco Del Rosario
A First Book of Morphy -- http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1412039061

I train with an intensity similar to Fischer's.

That explains your seeming deranged, then.

I'm not deranged, and unless you like defending libel lawsuits, I'd suggest
you retract that without a hint of sarcasm.

Fischer was attacked similarly by those who were jealous of his chess
abilities.


It's how I made expert within two years of joining the USCF.

No doubt it is. That's an impressive achievement.

Apparently not.


Do you include, say, Rhode Island, Hawaii, the U.S. Virgin
Islands...?


yawn

Well I see that your training keeps you awake, at least.

My training is still officially a joke: I mean no one can get serious about
the game at 38 and get anywhere if they were only an "expert" when they quit
at 24, can they? Nah. Impossible.


Studying the games of 13 year-olds who make 2700 at chess is hardly a
poor
use of my time.

I hate to disillusion you, moron,

You'd **** in your pants before you'd ever say that to my face, pussy.


but studying the BLITZ games of
ANYONE who is rated under 3000 on ICC most certainly is a waste of
anyone's time.

His BULLET rating was over 2700, not his BLITZ rating. He was ranked in the
top 10 at one point.

In your becoming an expert, did you ever encounter the
concept of a "time trouble blunder"?

You think the better player suddenly loses because the time control is
short? Studies prove the opposite.


I posted it to let the group know that the post-computer generation of

chessplayers is a lot stronger than the pre-computer one.

Ummm........ I don't see what playing blitz on ICC proves. If these new
players perform well in a Category XX event, I shall be suitably
impressed. Until then....

In other words, you'll want to bet the winning horse the second it crosses
the wire in front.


He's the one who got personal.

Run that one by me again.... in what way did Sr. Torrecillas get
"personal"?



Asked for the kid's nic.

That's not being personal. That's asking for some information which you
have about someone who fills your wet dreams.

I have no wet dreams about anyone. Just found the kid to be very strong.


If I said: "Ray Gordon is a moron" that would be personal, but Sr.
Torrecillas wrote nothing personal.

He asked for personal information.


Moron.

You'd **** your pants before you'd ever say that to my face.


All he did was ask you who this is. It's a simple question.


A *personal* question.

Keep banging those rocks together, jackass.

See above me, pussy.


Well I better work doubly hard to get all that help for myself now!


Well... be sure to work doubly hard on *improving your game* instead
of
just working doubly hard on finding some wunderkind-or-other on ICC
(where wunderkinder are a-dime-a-dozen, it seems).



Oh, I work triply hard at that.

There are 72 hours in your day?!

Triple intensity.


I gave up on third-party help at chess a long time ago. Chess funding
is
only for prodigies who will quit the game or adults who goof off, make
IM,
and call that a good investment.

Uh huh.

It's the truth. Name one funded chessplayer from the last 20 years who was
*born in America* and who even came close to winning the world championship.


I did see a bunch of spoiled brats declared "future champions"
and have their lessons paid for, with the side effect of having
anyone
over
age 18 who took the game seriously being dismissed as "too old."
Funny
how,
without exception, all those "promising juniors" from the 1980s all
QUIT the
game and I'm training once again.

Absolutely. I'm splitting my sides, here.

Yeah, too bad no one laughed at them in the 1980s before all that
money was
wasted on their chess lessons.

Are you sure it was wasted? Are you sure that those kids didn't become
*better, smarter people* as a result of their having learned the
discipline of studying chess?

Is it the goal of USCF and the ACF to use funds devoted to promoting our
future chess talent to instead produce "good citizens?"

My mistake: I thought they wanted chess to be on TV like poker now is, and
to have one of our own play for the world championship.


The people running the chess world in the US don't seem to be doing
the
greatest job.

No ****, Sherlock.

Then they have no standing to mock any alternatives.


Where's that next Fischer we were promised 20 years ago. Those
prodigies
were *so* promising!

Took the pussy's breath away.


This country should get only what it gives, and not try to rewrite
history
after the fact.
In other words:
"Ask *NOT* what *you can do for your country*. Ask *what your
country
can do for YOU*."

Ask that your country do for you what it did for a hundred prodigies
20
years ago who QUIT. They had funded lessons out the wazoo and got
respect
just for being young (I had the same rating they did but was all of
nine
years older, and had been playing for less time).

That's a strange obsession of yours. WTF does it matter what happened
to anybody else?

Note the overstatement: "obsession." Can anyone make a comment on anything
without being accused of being "obsessed" by it?

See, back in the day, what happened to others affected what happened to me.
Those kids took center stage as the "future of American chess." That
effectively marginalized the more serious older players my age (there were
several dozen of us, in fact). A definite statement was made yesterday that
these kids would become the torchbearers of today, and that the game was in
good hands.

As Dr. Phil might ask: "How's that working for you, American chess?"


If you spent as much time studying chess *effectively* as you seem to
do worrying about those kids who quit, who knows..? You might actually
be pretty good by now...

If the money spent on them to train had been spent on me instead, I'd
definitely be as good or better than all of them by now, but I never thought
I'd have a reason to, since it was "common knowledge" that they had the
future title slots locked up. Imagine my surprise to find none of them on
the top rating lists today.

I study chess more efficiently than any human on the planet. I even
published most of my method for FREE just to laugh at those who will take
10-15 years to realize just how brilliant my training method is.

Thank god I'm still eligible for under-2000!


I already published a game where I crushed a 3000-rated computer on
a
major
internet server with BLACK, and the computer had only lost less than
50
games against 7000+ wins. I've since been beating masters rather
regularly
at blitz and bullet, and my repertoire is starting to expand past
move
20 in
my main lines.

Great.



For me, not my opponents.

No ****, Sherlock.

Yep. That win, by itself, is an accomplishment that is beyond the reach of
most GMs. I played a perfect game from start to finish; it was the direct
result of my opening book and knowledge extending so far out that I can
literally run an opponent into the ground from move one, even if he tries to
"avoid" my book knowledge (I spend as much time on the "avoidance" lines as
I do the regular ones, as they are just as common).

For example, when a guy opens up with 1. g3, he's saying "I am a total idiot
about chess who is willing to give Black equality at move one."


Next up is three to five years of ferocious endgame study, and
whatever's
left over -- if anything -- will be the "middlegame." It'll be real
comforting to know that once I reach my goals, that many will pretend

to
have supported me all along in my endeavor.

That may prove to be true, but you can be sure that if it does, *I
shall not be one of the "many"*. I wish you success on whichever
planet
you choose to occupy.

Wishes don't pay for training costs, all they are is a "free lottery
ticket"
for the person making the wish, since it's free, and they can claim
down the
road that they were "supportive."

Don't worry. I'm not going to do that. I may wish you well, but really
I don't give a **** about you. My only concern was your having trolled
Sr. Torrecillas, who, it seems to me, did not deserve to be trolled.

He asked a personal question.


Too bad Fischer wasn't smart enough to demand $20 million from the US
government for being its Cold Warrior back in 1972. Love the way he
was
repaid for being such a patriot.

Yeah, love the way he did *so* much for chess after becoming World
Champion, as well...

The Nixon white house BEGGED him to play that match in 1972.


At least I didn't quit the game like the cowardly prodigies from 20
years
ago did *after* they took thousands of dollars in lessons and stipends
to
get them through high school.

Yeah, you already said that. Maybe it's time for your medication?

Maybe it's time you got a lawyer, or better yet, a clue?

I don't take kindly to medical defamation, and there are disability law
firms that specialize in helping people deal with such bigotry.


Perhaps they can return that money so it can
go to the training of players willing to make a lifetime commitment to
the
game?

Perhaps. I suggest that you *shouldn't* try to ask any of them
personally, however... by now, one or two of them might be MEAN
mother****ers who'll cheerfully kick seven shades of **** out of you,
at least...

Your remark is being construed as an attempt to use references to violence
to threaten me. Perhaps I should subpoena you and ask exactly who you are
referring to. If it's "no one," then it's just you being threatening.

Did you know it's a hate crime in PA to harass someone by communication on
the basis of perceived disability? Combining the words "take your
medication" with "someone "might" want to kick your ass" isn't exactly wise.


Have a nice day, now...

I'd like to know which prodigy said they might want to kick my ass, or
whether or not you're just inventing that as a means to be threatening
towards me yourself.


--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Four FREE books on how to get laid by beautiful women

http://www.cybersheet.com/chess.html
Free Chess E-book: Train Like A Chess Champion

Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.


--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Four FREE books on how to get laid by beautiful women

http://www.cybersheet.com/chess.html
Free Chess E-book: Train Like A Chess Champion

Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.

Rating history

I have a "P" after my name, or used to.

I peaked at 2000 on the nose.

Five years ago people were trying to claim that I had never even played
chess.

--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Four FREE books on how to get laid by beautiful women

http://www.cybersheet.com/chess.html
Free Chess E-book: Train Like A Chess Champion

Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.

Delusions of grandeur. ALL of it. Not the least of which is Gordo
saying he's "no jerk."

Any 30/40-something Class A player who fancies himself "the hardest
working chessplayer in the country" and apparently actually *thinks* he
has a shot at the world title or that someone like HIM could even get
more votes than Sam Sloan in a USCF election is truly deranged. But we
established that a long time ago, didn't we?

Yeah, old people should be taken out back and shot, right? They're SO
useless.

I'm the first to admit I'm way past the age where I should be able to make
it, but I'd like to see some evidence over the board before I pass the torch
(and all my knowledge) to my proteges. Even if I don't make it, I am
blazing the trail for those who will one day. I just find it very
hypocritical that so many "chess teachers" think that a 20-year old rating
of 2300 gives them an excuse not to train anymore.

You can be sure that your posting will be quoted in the event that anyone in
this country ever urges me to "do the right thing" and represent the USA
over a chessboard. I also refuse to teach kids in this country as part of
my protest. The ones in other countries are so much better mannered.

--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Four FREE books on how to get laid by beautiful women

http://www.cybersheet.com/chess.html
Free Chess E-book: Train Like A Chess Champion

Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.

Yeah, old people should be taken out back and shot, right? They're
SO
useless.

Never said that. Although if the "old people" in question are you and
perhaps Jerry Bibuld, I could get onboard with that policy.


I'm the first to admit I'm way past the age where I should be able to
make
it, but I'd like to see some evidence over the board before I pass
the torch
(and all my knowledge) to my proteges.

LOL! There are a LOT of Class A players out there who're willing to
teach budding players, 99.99% of which are a LOT less arrogant than
you.

Even if I don't make it, I am
blazing the trail for those who will one day.

Yeah. And everyone's listening. We're all impressed with all the
"work" you're doing, Gordo. Really. I hear people talking.
Seriously. No, really.

I just find it very
hypocritical that so many "chess teachers" think that a 20-year old
rating
of 2300 gives them an excuse not to train anymore.

Nobody here talks about how much they supposedly train except you. As
if you get a badge or a medal or something for proclaiming yourself
"the hardest working chessplayer in America," like it was something you
could prove. I can't speak for everybody here, but it seems to me that
"the hardest working chessplayer in America" -- especially one who
fancied himself a potential contender for the world title! -- would've
played in at least *one* OTB tournament in the last 15 years. You
haven't. And spare me the
I-play-blitz-on-ICC-all-the-time-and-study-13-year-olds ****. It's
weak and it just sounds stupid. Though I guess we could expect no less
from the likes of you.

You can be sure that your posting will be quoted in the event that
anyone in
this country ever urges me to "do the right thing" and represent the
USA
over a chessboard.

Prediction: Nobody EVER -- *EVER* -- even SUGGESTS that you play for
the United States in an international event. EVER. Last I heard you
had to be above Class A to get your foot in the door. You're not and
you won't.

I also refuse to teach kids in this country as part of
my protest. The ones in other countries are so much better mannered.

We're all very impressed with your protest. We noticed it, really.
I'm sure there are a bunch of kids out there who are smarter not to
have listened to your ego-trips OTB.

You're no prize, Gordo. You're not even movie-of-the-week caliber in
the chess world's grand scheme. Just a drop in the bucket of the flood
of class-players out there who're trying to improve. You only differ
from the majority in that you've got a death-grip on the provisional
expert rating you had for ONE MONTH ump-teen years ago and seem to
think that qualifies you to talk as if you were a contendah for the WC.
Newsflash....you're not and never will be.

Get over yourself, Gordy. You've given nobody here ANY reason to
believe you're anything but a loud-mouthed hack who enjoys one-minute
chess and litigation. That said, don't you have some "studying" to do,
Dr. Kasparov?

Toodles, bitch.

MN

In article , "Ray Gordon"
wrote:

Rating history

I have a "P" after my name, or used to.

I peaked at 2000 on the nose.

Mr. Parker, you say you're a seduction guru, but you can't produce a
picture of yourself standing next to a woman. You say you're a chess
expert, but three years of USCF rating supplements say you peaked at 1988.
Yes, it is true that a Chess Life mailing label could show your rating as
"2000P", but only you could provide such evidence.

My guess is that if you had achieved a 2000 rating, you'd be saying you
are a "former master".

Congratulations on reaching 2036 at bullet on the playchess server. Do let
us know if you ever manage to play more than one minute at chess or with a
woman.

--
Frisco Del Rosario
A First Book of Morphy -- http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1412039061

En/na Ray Gordon ha escrit:
(...)
I'm no jerk, just the hardest-working chessplayer in America. It's why I
find kids like this one. I do my homework.
(...)
I already published a game where I crushed a 3000-rated computer on a major
internet server with BLACK, and the computer had only lost less than 50
games against 7000+ wins. I've since been beating masters rather regularly
at blitz and bullet, and my repertoire is starting to expand past move 20 in
my main lines.

All that is nonsense, it's like a user of FIFA-2004 claiming to be the
best player of soccer in the world without playing in any team.

The only games of Ray Gordon I know are the following two:

[Event "ICC blitz"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nakamura, Hikara"]
[Black "Gordon, Ray"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2699"]
[BlackElo "1563"]
[PlyCount "55"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]

1. e3 e5 2. b3 d5 3. Bb2 Nc6 4. g3 f6 5. Bg2 Be6 6. Ne2 Qd7 7. d4 O-O-O
8. Nbc3 e4 9. Qd2 Bh3 10. Bxh3 Qxh3 11. O-O-O Qd7 12. Nf4 Nge7 13. h4 g6
14. Kb1 Bg7 15. Na4 b6 16. c4 f5 17. c5 b5 18. Nc3 a6 19. a4 Na7 20. Qe2
c6 21. Kc2 Qb7 22.Ra1 Rd7 23. axb5 axb5 24. Ra5 b4 25. Na4 Rc7 26. Nb6+
Kd8 27. Rha1 Nec8 28.Ne6+ 1-0

[Event "ICC blitz"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.03.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Gordon, Ray"]
[Black "Fish"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B77"]
[Annotator "Gordon,R"]
[PlyCount "31"]
[EventDate "2005.??.??"]

{Could one of you losers with time on your hands please analyze this
mini of mine? White: Me Black: A Fish }
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O
8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 {The other "modern" line is 9.0-0-0, with the idea of
skipping Bc4, but this allows d5. I try a modern approach of skipping
castling to get a quick attack going on the queenside.
Strong players tend to do well against this line, but by "strong" I mean
2400 and higher. Weaker players who don't exploit the prematurity of it
all can have problems.} 9... Bd7 10. h4 Rc8 11. Bb3 Ne5 12. h5 Nc4
13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14. Nf5 gxf5 15. h6 Bh8 16. Bb6 $1 {Black loses the game or
the ****. ...
R:P.Warren comment: Not only ignorant, but a lout. But then everyone
already knew that. 14.Nf5?? gxf5 15.h6 Nxe4! and White is as busted as
a used water balloon. With 14.hxg6 or 14.g4 you might have had
something.} 1-0

AT

"Ray Gordon" wrote in message
...

I'm no jerk, just the hardest-working chessplayer in America.

You mean, *including* Central and South America *and Canada* (which is
that country between Alaska and the rest of the mainland United
States)?

I train with an intensity similar to Fischer's. It's how I made expert
within two years of joining the USCF.



Ray, you can't be that smart considering the **** you keep coming out with.

"Ray Gordon" wrote in message
...
I train with an intensity similar to Fischer's.

That explains your seeming deranged, then.

I'm not deranged, and unless you like defending libel lawsuits, I'd
suggest you retract that without a hint of sarcasm.

I think you're deranged. In fact, I think you may be insane. Either way,
you're certainly a gibbon.

Yeah, old people should be taken out back and shot, right? They're
SO
useless.

Never said that. Although if the "old people" in question are you and
perhaps Jerry Bibuld, I could get onboard with that policy.

Watch those threatening remarks, pal. You're held to a much higher standard
than civilians.