"Tyrone Slothrop" wrote in message
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I really would like to kick in $500 for the 1st Annual RGCP
Invitational Grudge Match. I figure that if we can collect another
$500, as Larry Parr suggests, the $1K figure will be compelling enough
to attract all but the biggest windbags.

The matchup in this First Grudge Match could be between Sam Sloan and
Taylor Kingston.

I propose that a 3 game over-the-board match be played at a suitable
neutral venue in Vermont, witnessed by a selected third party arbiter
(perhaps fellow Vermonter Phil Innes who detests both of the
challengers, making it equal).

Shoot! I would defeat both this despicable numbskulls simultaneously,
blindfold. Bet on that?

I would even pay for Sam Sloan's roundtrip bus ticket to Vermont.

I could pick him up at the bus depot exit 3 on I 91, [we are a 3 exit town].
Taylor is 3 hours by road north, Sam 4 hours by car south, 7 hours by bus]

We could work on some rules for this match up. I propose:
- draws allowed only by repetition, 50-move rule or by decision of
arbiter
- winner takes all
- 3 normal games + sudden death rules
- game scores recorded and published to RGCP
- draw for white in the first game
- spectators allowed

What time control would be appropriate? Something short to allow all
three games to be played in one day with a break for lunch?

LOL! What what about seducing both candidates with the local brewery,
MacNeils. Good German-method stuff. I will throw in a tour of the downtown 2
streets, sort of the sixties meets Yankee resilience. Wild women on every
corner, some of them are hunting you, and others just want to bury you. I
waive my usual tour rate sched.

I'm serious. I'd be willing to escrow the $500+busfare with some
impartial third party if we could get commitments on the other 50% of
the prize fund.

This could be fun.

As a potenital arbiter I would agree to any match between these two. They
could play in my garden under the green shade, or indoors to the tune of
college kids 'being quiet'.

What do you other denizens of RGCP say? How's about putting up some
money so that this place doesn't completely float away on net-puffery?

Who has the other $500? Come on!

Phil

Brattleboro, [Kipling's town] Vermont

Why don't we play Randy, I am a famous weakling player of about1400 elo
[best effort]. You could come too and make it a 4-some.

Otherwise we seem to have generated $500 + $100 for a Sloan/Kingston match -
series? How many games, what time controls? I waive all fees except for
MacNeils booze for both players and impartial arbiter, and I suppose I'd
better provide a barbecue dinner, maybe with orzo, rice, asparagas, green
salad and something on the grill?

In which case we have raised $600 of the necessary $1,100

Would anyone else like to buy a garden seat for this match? $50 is all it
costs. Plus $20 for booze and food. $35 to sleep over, and if the dog bites
you its your own damn fault.

Cordially, Phil

"Randy Bauer" wrote in message
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I like Bill Brock's proposal to play a match with Sloan better. First,
Bill is an over the board player, he probably detests Sloan even more than
Kingston, and he's not one to mince words. I'd put up $100 for that match.

Randy Bauer

So I think it would have to be a Sam Sloan vs. Bill Brock "Grudge
Match" with draw odds for you, but with him attempting to unnerve you
by referring to Pokemons and allegations of inappropriate behavior with

children every few minutes.... Winner takes all. Bill has already
suggested he would accept such a challenge.

Much as I hate the kiddie ****er, there are rules against disturbing
one's opponent during play. USCF rated, right? We need a site: my
conference room won't do, as I'd have to get it fumigated afterwards,
plus the risk of theft....

Also--win or lose--I have no interest in playing four games; match
stops when he reaches 2 pts or I reach 2.5 pts.

50% of my proceeds to National Center for Missing & Exploited Children,
50% to Illinois Chess Assn.

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Draw odds: he wins a 2-2 match.

Hey - no books yet, and where's my cut?

Cordially, the Official Arbiter.

"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
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Tyrone Slothrop wrote:
Only if you think that Sam Sloan at a USCF rating of 1931 (actual) is
really stronger than Taylor Kingston at 2270 (claimed).

Tyrone, please do not misrepresent me. As I made quite clear, the
2270 was a *postal* rating circa 1984. I was a correspondence master,
not an OTB master. I might consider a postal match, except that now it
is far too easy to cheat. In 1984 chess software was in its infancy;
now 2700-strength programs and 2-million-game databases are ubiquitous.


My $500+busfare still stands. Who else will put up some money? Larry
Parr is probably the closest. He has offered to bet $100 on the
outcome. How about kicking that into a prize fund, Larry? Then we'd
only need $400 more to make a round $1000.

You guys seriously underestimate my net worth if you think a mere
$1000 is sufficient inducement for me to spend hours within a few feet
of Sam Sloan, for any purpose, chess-related or otherwise.
However, I repeat my offer of a thematic correspondence game

zzzzzzzzz

Taylor, you misjudge our masculine thrust.

Phil

to test
the soundness of Sam's vaunted and beloved Damiano Defense, 1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 f6 3.Nxe5 fxe5. One game, I play White, Sam plays Black, use of
computers and books allowed. Minimum wager, say, $5,000?

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NO GRUDGE MATCH

Tyrone, please do not misrepresent me. As I made quite clear, the
2270 was a *postal* rating circa 1984. I was a correspondence master,
not an OTB master. I might consider a postal match, except that now it
is far too easy to cheat. Taylor Kingston, backing down from his
horsefeathers claim of 2300+ Elo.

There is no chance whatsoever of a Sloan-Kingston match unless Mr.
Kingston is prevailed upon by Tyrone Slothrop and others.

Mr. Sloan is eager to play the match. NM (Natrol Master) Kingston
does not want to play the match even more. The reasoning is that he:

1. Dislikes Mr. Sloan intensely;

2. He knows Mr. Sloan would win;

3. The idea of Mr. Sloan making $1,000 off him directly or indirectly
is insupportable.

We did not agree on winner takes all did we? How about 75/25 of the pot,
less MacNeils and the Barbie? Still $500 short of the $1,100 necessary. I'll
even put them up for free after the match, and after the downtown tour which
might be more shocking to these sensitive souls.

Philth, Vermont.

There is nothing wrong with this reasoning.
There is something wrong with him recognizing the truth -- --
which even his water carriers recognize -- and then putting on a silly
and dishonest act to avoid such a match.

Taylor Kingston does not wish to lose and enrich Sam Sloan. He
should simply say so instead of dancing around, which might win him
some respect for a change.

On 17 Jun 2005 12:14:32 -0700, "Tyrone Slothrop"
wrote:

The shape of the most likely "Grudge Match" has changed already. Taylor
Kingston has let it be known that $1K is no draw for him and he refuses
to play an OTB match with you.

So I think it would have to be a Sam Sloan vs. Bill Brock "Grudge
Match" with draw odds for you, but with him attempting to unnerve you
by referring to Pokemons and allegations of inappropriate behavior with
children every few minutes.... Winner takes all. Bill has already
suggested he would accept such a challenge.

I'm in for $500. Randy is offering $100. Just need to raise another
$400 for the prize fund. (I'm only going to kick in my $500 if it
seems there are enough other RGCP'er interested enough in such a
spectacle to kick in some of their own $$$!)

Are you game? (It's a long greyhound ride to Chicago from NYC.)

And we'd still need a Chicago-based volunteer match arbiter...

I am sorry but I just checked his tournament record and Bill Brock is
probably a bit too strong.

His rating is 2030. This in itself is not a problem because my rating
was 2107 a few years ago. However, at the time when my rating was
2107, his rating was 2130. Basically, he lost 100 rating points during
the period of ratings deflation when I also lost more than 100 points.

Checking back over the past 14 years, Bill Brock has always had a
rating higher than mine.

Our ratings are close enough so that there is no guarantee that he
would win. I might pull off an upset, but he would be the favorite.

Also, looking at the quality of the tournaments in which he has
competed, Bill Brock has played in big money tournaments like the
Chicago Open and the Foxwoods Open. This is in sharp contrast to Randy
Bauer, who has manipulated his rating upwards by playing friendly
rated games against friends and by compteting in such rated events as
the CCC Fourth Annual Picnic.

In short, Bill Brock I consider to be a more dangeropus oppnent than
Randy Bauer. Bill Brock has competed recently in big money
tournaments. Randy Bauer has not played in a regularly rated
tournament since 1997.

This does not mean that I am afraid to play Bill Brock. I am ready to
play. However, I have a wife and baby to feed and I am not willing to
risk any significant amount of my own money on this venture.

Taylor Kingston is a different matter altogether. As we all know,
Taylort Kingston is weaker than bird****. He just suffers from the
delusion that he is a master. I am more than willing to play him a
match for $1000 cash with my own money on the table.

Sam Sloan

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Bleeding heart liberal that I am, let me amend that: you are becoming a
useless piece of ****, Larry Parr. Perhaps (to borrow from the United
Statesian popcult) there's a little Anakin Skywalker left in Darth
Vader?

Opinions are cheap - meanwhile we are $500 short, and I risk my coach!

Think of that!

A Vermonter.

You've done some good things in the past, not least of which is the
afterword to the memorial book for our mutual friend, Bill Colias.

Whenever and wherever accused, every human is entitled to a vigorous
defense. But I am making an accusation based on facts, and you are not
even looking at the facts.

Tyrone,

Whatever. If your few hours is worth more than $1K, then I'd say you
are doing ok for yourself. Good for you. But, obviously this is not
true for the run of the mill tournament player who shows up to play
when even less is at stake, so I don't think it was too presumptive of
me.

sorry, you are boring. this is sexy! compare

Heuch! Vrai Vermont

However, I repeat my offer of a thematic correspondence game to test
the soundness of Sam's vaunted and beloved Damiano Defense, 1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 f6 3.Nxe5 fxe5. One game, I play White, Sam plays Black, use of
computers and books allowed. Minimum wager, say, $5,000?

Not interested in sponsoring this one since play w/ computers is simply
not chess, in my book. Furthermore, the Damiano Defense is junk, so I
certainly wouldn't want to be caught backing it. I might back you
though against it, if the rules were different. But who would we find
to take the other side of such a lopsided contest?

talk is for correspondence players

Cordially, Ethan Allen

"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
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wrote:
Taylor Kingston wrote:
However, I repeat my offer of a thematic correspondence game to test
the soundness of Sam's vaunted and beloved Damiano Defense, 1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 f6 3.Nxe5 fxe5. One game, I play White, Sam plays Black, use of
computers and books allowed. Minimum wager, say, $5,000?

I don't see why both parties should be allowed to cheat, surely playing
chess would be a fairer contest.

You misunderstand. The point is to test the objective soundness of
the opening, not the strength of the players. Based on his experience
against average players, Sloan believes the line is good for Black. I
say that after 3...fxe5 Black is objectively lost with best play by
both sides, and I'm willing to bet on it.