I really would like to kick in $500 for the 1st Annual RGCP
Invitational Grudge Match. I figure that if we can collect another
$500, as Larry Parr suggests, the $1K figure will be compelling enough
to attract all but the biggest windbags.

The matchup in this First Grudge Match could be between Sam Sloan and
Taylor Kingston.

I propose that a 3 game over-the-board match be played at a suitable
neutral venue in Vermont, witnessed by a selected third party arbiter
(perhaps fellow Vermonter Phil Innes who detests both of the
challengers, making it equal).

I would even pay for Sam Sloan's roundtrip bus ticket to Vermont.

We could work on some rules for this match up. I propose:
- draws allowed only by repetition, 50-move rule or by decision of
arbiter
- winner takes all
- 3 normal games + sudden death rules
- game scores recorded and published to RGCP
- draw for white in the first game
- spectators allowed

What time control would be appropriate? Something short to allow all
three games to be played in one day with a break for lunch?

I'm serious. I'd be willing to escrow the $500+busfare with some
impartial third party if we could get commitments on the other 50% of
the prize fund.

This could be fun.

What do you other denizens of RGCP say? How's about putting up some
money so that this place doesn't completely float away on net-puffery?

The problem is that the $ would likely wind up in the pocket of the
kiddie ****er. Hard to stomach.

Now if both agreed to play for charitable causes....

Tyrone Slothrop wrote:
I really would like to kick in $500 for the 1st Annual RGCP
Invitational Grudge Match. I figure that if we can collect another
$500, as Larry Parr suggests, the $1K figure will be compelling enough
to attract all but the biggest windbags.

The matchup in this First Grudge Match could be between Sam Sloan and
Taylor Kingston.

I propose that a 3 game over-the-board match be played at a suitable
neutral venue in Vermont, witnessed by a selected third party arbiter
(perhaps fellow Vermonter Phil Innes who detests both of the
challengers, making it equal).

I would even pay for Sam Sloan's roundtrip bus ticket to Vermont.

We could work on some rules for this match up. I propose:
- draws allowed only by repetition, 50-move rule or by decision of
arbiter
- winner takes all
- 3 normal games + sudden death rules
- game scores recorded and published to RGCP
- draw for white in the first game
- spectators allowed

What time control would be appropriate? Something short to allow all
three games to be played in one day with a break for lunch?

I'm serious. I'd be willing to escrow the $500+busfare with some
impartial third party if we could get commitments on the other 50% of
the prize fund.

This could be fun.

What do you other denizens of RGCP say? How's about putting up some
money so that this place doesn't completely float away on net-puffery?

Only if you think that Sam Sloan at a USCF rating of 1931 (actual) is
really stronger than Taylor Kingston at 2270 (claimed).

My $500+busfare still stands. Who else will put up some money? Larry
Parr is probably the closest. He has offered to bet $100 on the
outcome. How about kicking that into a prize fund, Larry? Then we'd
only need $400 more to make a round $1000.

wrote:
The problem is that the $ would likely wind up in the pocket of the
kiddie ****er. Hard to stomach.

Now if both agreed to play for charitable causes....

Tyrone Slothrop wrote:
I really would like to kick in $500 for the 1st Annual RGCP
Invitational Grudge Match. I figure that if we can collect another
$500, as Larry Parr suggests, the $1K figure will be compelling enough
to attract all but the biggest windbags.

The matchup in this First Grudge Match could be between Sam Sloan and
Taylor Kingston.

I propose that a 3 game over-the-board match be played at a suitable
neutral venue in Vermont, witnessed by a selected third party arbiter
(perhaps fellow Vermonter Phil Innes who detests both of the
challengers, making it equal).

I would even pay for Sam Sloan's roundtrip bus ticket to Vermont.

We could work on some rules for this match up. I propose:
- draws allowed only by repetition, 50-move rule or by decision of
arbiter
- winner takes all
- 3 normal games + sudden death rules
- game scores recorded and published to RGCP
- draw for white in the first game
- spectators allowed

What time control would be appropriate? Something short to allow all
three games to be played in one day with a break for lunch?

I'm serious. I'd be willing to escrow the $500+busfare with some
impartial third party if we could get commitments on the other 50% of
the prize fund.

This could be fun.

What do you other denizens of RGCP say? How's about putting up some
money so that this place doesn't completely float away on net-puffery?

I like Bill Brock's proposal to play a match with Sloan better. First, Bill
is an over the board player, he probably detests Sloan even more than
Kingston, and he's not one to mince words. I'd put up $100 for that match.

Randy Bauer


"Tyrone Slothrop" wrote in message
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Only if you think that Sam Sloan at a USCF rating of 1931 (actual) is
really stronger than Taylor Kingston at 2270 (claimed).

My $500+busfare still stands. Who else will put up some money? Larry
Parr is probably the closest. He has offered to bet $100 on the
outcome. How about kicking that into a prize fund, Larry? Then we'd
only need $400 more to make a round $1000.

wrote:
The problem is that the $ would likely wind up in the pocket of the
kiddie ****er. Hard to stomach.

Now if both agreed to play for charitable causes....

Tyrone Slothrop wrote:
I really would like to kick in $500 for the 1st Annual RGCP
Invitational Grudge Match. I figure that if we can collect another
$500, as Larry Parr suggests, the $1K figure will be compelling enough
to attract all but the biggest windbags.

The matchup in this First Grudge Match could be between Sam Sloan and
Taylor Kingston.

I propose that a 3 game over-the-board match be played at a suitable
neutral venue in Vermont, witnessed by a selected third party arbiter
(perhaps fellow Vermonter Phil Innes who detests both of the
challengers, making it equal).

I would even pay for Sam Sloan's roundtrip bus ticket to Vermont.

We could work on some rules for this match up. I propose:
- draws allowed only by repetition, 50-move rule or by decision of
arbiter
- winner takes all
- 3 normal games + sudden death rules
- game scores recorded and published to RGCP
- draw for white in the first game
- spectators allowed

What time control would be appropriate? Something short to allow all
three games to be played in one day with a break for lunch?

I'm serious. I'd be willing to escrow the $500+busfare with some
impartial third party if we could get commitments on the other 50% of
the prize fund.

This could be fun.

What do you other denizens of RGCP say? How's about putting up some
money so that this place doesn't completely float away on net-puffery?

In a short match, anything can happen.

I don't doubt that Kingston played 2270 correspondence, but chess is
80% tactics. A Class A OTB player with deep strategic understanding &
a strong endgame, but tactical weaknesses, can indeed play at 2300
level in correspondence--the A player will find tactics in analysis
that they have zero chance of finding in a game. Sloan (a former
Expert who plays junk & thus can choose to play the merely offbeat &
not the bad junk) is probably at least 1/2 class stronger OTB. This
does not negate Kingston's correspondence strength. They're just two
different games. As a weak expert who played a fair amount of postal
20+ years ago, I speak from experience.

Khmelnitsky's _Chess Exam and Training Guide_ is an interesting
self-diagnostic tool--my total score fairly reflected my strength, but
I was stunned to find out how little I understood about certain aspects
of the game (scoring at 1600 level) and how well I did in others
(scoring at 2400 level). I wouldn't take the subscores too literally,
but it was well worth the time spent.

Computers have made real-world testing of this hypothesis rather
difficult--cheating is too easy. That's why Kingston suggested
computer-aided; the alternative would've been unenforceable....

Cool! I'm willing to come down from a $5,000 pot to $1,000 if the
match is held in Chicago. We're at $600. Four games, 30/90, SD/1.

Sooner is better.

I'd be playing for the charities named earlier.

KINGSTON IS AFRAID TO PLAY

Tyrone Slothrop is offering money for what will
never be. Ain't gonna happen.

2300-rated NM (Natrol Master) Taylor Kingston
will not play a match with Sam Sloan, rated 1931. Period.

NM Kingston has refused, employing the tactic
of the proud man's contumely.

Enter Randy Bauer, carrying water for Mr.
Kingston. He suggests a match with one Bill Brock,
whom he calls a plaintalker and whom those of you
have observed is a filthy, four-letter talker. Mr.
Bauer's ploy is to take the pressure off Mr. Kingston
by deflecting the subject.

Still, the subject remains why a self-proclaimed 2300+ Elo such
as NM (Natrol Master) Kingston will not meet Mr. Sloan in a match.

Mr. Kingston could win some respect here by writing the highly
evident TRUTH: "I am not too proud to play Mr. Sloan, but I figure he
will beat me. I think Mr. Sloan is scum, and I don't want to give the
man $1,000. That is why I am turning down the match, which is what
everyone here knows full well."

How refreshing were Mr. Kingston to write exactly what everyone
here knows to be the case, even his water-carriers.

But there is no mystery in such a match. You are 111 ELO stronger than
Sloan on the same playing field - that is OTB. Of course we know what
would happen in such a match. It would be like taking candy from a
baby. Furthermore, because you are so much stronger, Sloan would be
especially tempted to try for an upset through his favorite set of
garbage openings. That would bring fall all the harder.

Perhaps if we could handicap you in some way, I might be willing to put
up my $500. (The $500 is for a sporting event, not a rout!) But
perhaps if you were to give Sloan a sufficient time advantage to even
things up a bit, I might still be willing to go for such a grudge
match.


wrote:
Cool! I'm willing to come down from a $5,000 pot to $1,000 if the
match is held in Chicago. We're at $600. Four games, 30/90, SD/1.

Sooner is better.

I'd be playing for the charities named earlier.

Draw odds: he wins a 2-2 match.

Larry baby, if you want to see Sam Sloan use a filthy four-letter word
to describe an imagined act upon a twelve-year-old girl anim=E9
character, kindly visit this site:

http://www.shamema.com/pokepoll.htm

THE SITE IS OWNED BY SAM SLOAN.

Am I upsetting you because the two of you have a deal to split the
kiddies?