I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

Is this true?

My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
cast for the "Success Team".

It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
possibly 5th to 7th.

Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?

Sam Sloan

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

Is this true?

My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
cast for the "Success Team".

It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
possibly 5th to 7th.

This is akin to playing a game of pool with someone, losing, and then lining
up your next shot while saying to your opponent, "Let's see who comes in
second...."

Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?

Sam Sloan

I'll say something about this: It doesn't matter. You lost, like you do
every year, fair and square.

Sheesh.

I don't know about hand-written ballots, but I received a ballot directly
from USCF since my membership had temporarily expired (by the way, I have
still not received CL). I believe I was told that my ballot would be counted
provisionally. That is, if it made a difference (in a tight race) its
validity might be challenged. As you know the race was not close, so the
point was moot.



"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

Is this true?

My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
cast for the "Success Team".

It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
possibly 5th to 7th.

Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?

Sam Sloan

(Sam Sloan) writes:

I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

How do you define 'hand-written ballot'? All counted ballots were on
the ballot forms printed and mailed by the USCF.
--
Mike Nolan

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:29:41 GMT, (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

Is this true?

My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
cast for the "Success Team".

It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
possibly 5th to 7th.

Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?

Sam Sloan

Yes, you are exactly right. Remember that I offered you as many votes
as you might need? But apparently you wanted to lose.

As you know the same phenomenon occurs in Chess - and, of course, in
Roulette and other pure games of chance: The player gets his kicks by
losing, not by winning.

So I wrote out 500 votes for those of your opponents who have a better
grasp on reality. These balölots aren't actually hand-written. I used
a laser printer and the forms are nearly indistingushable from the
real thing.

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:27:25 -0400, "Angelo DePalma"
wrote:

I don't know about hand-written ballots, but I received a ballot directly
from USCF since my membership had temporarily expired (by the way, I have
still not received CL). I believe I was told that my ballot would be counted
provisionally. That is, if it made a difference (in a tight race) its
validity might be challenged. As you know the race was not close, so the
point was moot.

Finally somebody who understands the Principles of Democracy, by means
of which organizations such as Tammany Hall ran, and run, cities and
States: The simple, single voter and his vote never makes a
difference.




"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

Is this true?

My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
cast for the "Success Team".

It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
possibly 5th to 7th.

Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?

Sam Sloan

Greetings all!

Considering the wide margin between 4th and 5th places and the "few
hundred" hand-written ballots, any discussion about this is irrelevant
.... 5th place and last place have equal value.

John McCumiskey

Sam Sloan wrote:

I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

Is this true?

My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
cast for the "Success Team".

It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
possibly 5th to 7th.

Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?

Sam Sloan

--
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For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn
the world, but to save the world through Him. John 3:17

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 06:37:19 GMT, John McCumiskey
wrote:

Greetings all!

Considering the wide margin between 4th and 5th places and the "few
hundred" hand-written ballots, any discussion about this is irrelevant
... 5th place and last place have equal value.

John McCumiskey

Not true. There are several ways in which the fifth place finisher
could be relevant.

For example, if one of the top four finishers becomes sick or dies or
declines to serve between now and August 14, whomever finished fifth
would be elected.

Also, one board member, Tim Hanke, has gone missing since February 10
and the delegates could take action such as remove him or even expel
him. Several persons have even suggested that Beatriz Marinello could
be expelled from the USCF by the delegates.

Finally, even if none of these things happen, the delegates need to
know for future reference how the issues of questionable or
provisional ballots or hanging chads are to be dealt with.

Sam Sloan

On 3 Aug 2005 04:31:16 GMT, (Mike Nolan) wrote:

(Sam Sloan) writes:

I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

How do you define 'hand-written ballot'? All counted ballots were on
the ballot forms printed and mailed by the USCF.
--
Mike Nolan

Your wording leaves a little wiggle-room.

Is it or is it not true that there are a number, perhaps several
hundred, questionable or provisional ballots?

Sam Sloan

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:31:11 +0200, Jürgen R. wrote:

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:29:41 GMT, (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
counted in the USCF election.

Is this true?

My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
cast for the "Success Team".

It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
possibly 5th to 7th.

Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?

Sam Sloan

Yes, you are exactly right. Remember that I offered you as many votes
as you might need? But apparently you wanted to lose.

As you know the same phenomenon occurs in Chess - and, of course, in
Roulette and other pure games of chance: The player gets his kicks by
losing, not by winning.

So I wrote out 500 votes for those of your opponents who have a better
grasp on reality. These balölots aren't actually hand-written. I used
a laser printer and the forms are nearly indistingushable from the
real thing.

As usual, Jürgen is joking. Nevertheless, he makes a point. To
eliminate the possibility of voter fraud, only those ballots that were
mailed or in Chess Life were supposed to be counted. Ballots printed
out by the office or hand-written should not count. If there were
several hundred such ballots and they all voted for the "Success
Team", that smacks as an attempt at election fraud which failed only
because of the unexpectedly high margin of victory. More than 1500
votes seperated 4th and 5th place. Nobody expected this.

Steve Shutt, a member of the "Success Team", finished only 130 votes
ahead of me, a small number considering that 6008 ballots were
received. Shutt had Beatriz Marinello, Leroy Dubeck and the entire
rest of the Success Team out campaigning for him and sending mailings,
whereas nobody was campaigning for me, yet I almost beat him. I am
entitled to know whether his narrow lead was because of provisional or
hand-written ballots.

Sam Sloan