I was misled too. So it turns out you were once an 1800 OTB player. Okay.
That's got that over with. Phil Innes

"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
THERE WAS NO CONFUSION

You're right, Larry. There was no confusion. You and Sloan instantly
assumed I was lying about an OTB rating, while rgcm's more rational and
intelligent readers checked the USCF web-site and correctly realized I
was referring to my postal rating. No confusion either way: you and
Sloan assumed and were wrong, just as you did yesterday about my Chess
Life subscription. Others checked the facts and were right.

You are confusing my OTB and postal ratings. Two different things. --
Taylor Kingston

Mr. 2300+ Elo made the bald claim knowing full well that most readers
would understand it was his over-the-board rating. He later offered a
number of excuses, such as he was laying a trap for this writer and Sam
Sloan,
etc..

Which you fell into like a sleepwalker. So predictable.

Other excuses followed for his misleading claim.

Interesting that only you and Sloan were "misled."

Larry Parr wrote (7 Apr 2006 21:29:43 -0700):

... That is one of the subjects that he will not discuss,
don't you see. ...

_
Larry Parr likes to make a lot of fuss about questions that
certain individuals have not answered, but Larry Parr and
his supporter, jr, have, at times, also avoided answering a
question. It seems to me that, by Parr-logic, such
questions must be "sear"ing.
_
"Larry, please tell us more about playwright
Richard Laurie. IT'S ALL NEW TO ME and
sounds like another juicy scandal. Why did
truth-seeker Kingston ask Laurie to keep their
correspondence secret?" - jr (2 Apr 2006
09:20:05 -0700) (Emphasis added.)
_
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"And yet, earlier this year, we saw:
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'I have read Richard Laurie's
exchanges with Kingston who
secretly tried to get him to
retract an item Laurie submitted
to Chess Life.' - jr (8 Jan 2006
12:21:20 -0800)"
- Louis Blair (2 Apr 2006 14:36:03 -0700)
_
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"Care to explain, jr?" - Taylor Kingston
(4 Apr 2006 09:54:13 -0700)
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"[Has Larry Parr] yet made any comments
about jr's ... question about Laurie, where [jr]
contradicted what he had previously posted?"
- Tom Martinak (7 Apr 2006 09:27:57 -0700)
_
Another incident:
_
"Edward Winter combed through thousands of
pages of GM Evans' writing over half a century
and found about 25 mistakes, most of them
minor." - Larry Parr (26 Mar 2006 16:56:54 -0800)
_
"What is the source ...?" - Louis Blair (26 Mar 2006
17:35:53 -0800)
_
Another incident:
_
"Here is one of the nine essays I wrote in my
examination of Edward Winter's attack against
GM Evans at the ChessCafe in 2001.
...
To my mind, Mr. Winter's lowest, in fact
subterranean, device is to argue that GM Evans
is loath to admit mistakes." - Larry Parr
(3 Apr 2006 02:29:07 -0700)
_
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"Where is there a quote of Edward Winter saying
that GM Evans is loath to admit mistakes?" - Louis
Blair (4 Apr 2006 06:33:09 -0700)
_
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"[Greg Kennedy (Help Bot) wrote:] 'Edward Winter
seems to have clearly argued this in his article
entitled "The Facts About Larry Evans", which can
be found on the Chess Notes website.'
...
Any normal person reading this article would reach
the same conclusion as the lad from Indiana."
- Larry Parr (5 Apr 2006 04:58:04 -0700)
_
_
"Do any of these 'normal' people have a quote to
back up Larry Parr's claim?
_
Larry Parr quotes helpbot, and, this time around,
chooses not to mention any of his previous
assessments.
_
'he has laid down a trail of typed refuse.'
- Larry Parr (2 Apr 2006 20:54:08 -0700)"
- Louis Blair (5 Apr 2006 06:46:50 -0700)
_
Another incident:
_
"Edward winter ... once claimed that kasparov's
contribution to bco batsford chess openings was
ghosted ..." - GM Keene quote reported by
Larry Parr (25 Jan 2006 06:02:49 -0800)
_
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"Can GM Keene, Larry Parr, or anyone
else back this up with a quote from a
verifiable source?" - Louis Blair (25 Jan 2006
10:04:33 -0800)
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"WINTER'S QUOTE HAS BEEN FOUND!
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By GM Raymond Keene
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Winter ... (1983): '---the exact role of
Kasparov. Is his name there more for
sales than for merit?'" - GM Keene
communication reported by Larry Parr
(27 Jan 2006 15:30:26 -0800)
_
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"Do GM Keene and Larry Parr seriously
contend that the Edward Winter QUESTION
can be fairly described as a 'claim' 'that
kasparov's contribution to bco batsford
chess openings was ghosted'?
_
If they do, why doesn't either of them say so
explicitly? If they don't, why don't they admit
that they still have not produced a record of
such a claim?" - Louis Blair (28 Jan 2006
16:03:20 -0800)
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Thirty days later:
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"GM Keene, who has had extenstive dealings
with Mr. Winter, made the claim. Not I."
- Larry Parr (27 Feb 2006 20:22:25 -0800)
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"Larry Parr fails to mention that he posted
this claim in a note with the heading
'EDWARD WINTER'S TRIPE (Continued)'.
Does Larry Parr claim that he had no
obligation to deal with the issue of
evidence? Did he make any attempt to
ask GM Keene for a quote of the supposed
Edward Winter claim? In the past, in
response to attacks by others, Larry Parr
has written things like:
_
'The man makes a charge without
providing a scintilla of evidence, let
alone proof' - Larry Parr (21 Sep 2005
20:39:02 -0700)
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and:
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'[A] charge without any defined
antecedents ... is usually called
a smear.' - Larry Parr (14 Jun 2002
14:06:47 GMT)
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Does Larry Parr think it was acceptable
for him to be a party to that sort of thing?"
- Louis Blair (27 Feb 2006 22:46:33 -0800)
_
Another incident:
_
"The latest Louie Blair variation is he did not
know about my repeated statement that Mike
Murray reproduced what I wrote without material
difference." - Larry Parr (19 Oct 2005
18:35:36 -0700)
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"This is false. Larry Parr should apologize
promptly." - Louis Blair (19 Oct 2005
18:53:08 -0700)
_
Why hasn't Larry Parr produced a quote to back up
his claim or clearly admitted that he has no quote
to back up his claim?
_
Another incident:
_
"Louis Blair's essential dishonesty has been to
quote statements by this writer in which he left
out the 'as' or 'like' words referring to similes."
- Larry Parr (14 Jun 2005 09:00:03 -0700)
_
Larry Parr gave no evidence at all. On 14 Jun 2005
12:46:41 -0700, I pointed out that I had not contributed
any quotes to the discussion that involved 'as' or 'like'
words. Larry Parr came back with:
_
"So, then, Louie Blair did indeed post some
'names' that I allegedly called that included
as 'as' and 'like' similes.
_
That's called dishonest." - Larry Parr
(14 Jun 2005 20:07:48 -0700)
_
Still "without a shred of evidence" and still wrong.
I complained again on 15 Jun 2005 13:07:10 -0700,
and I saw nothing further from Larry Parr on the
subject. Again, why hasn't Larry Parr produced a
quote to back up his claim or clearly admitted that
he has no quote to back up his claim?
_
"[A] charge without any defined
antecedents ... is usually called
a smear." - Larry Parr (14 Jun 2002
14:06:47 GMT)

Larry Parr wrote (26 Mar 2006 16:56:54 -0800):

Edward Winter combed through thousands of
pages of GM Evans' writing over half a century
and found about 25 mistakes, most of them
minor.

_
What is the source for this claim?

Chess One wrote:
I was misled too. So it turns out you were once an 1800 OTB player. Okay.
That's got that over with. Phil Innes

You were "misled too," Phil? Have you forgotten our conversation at
Stratton Mountain? June 1999 I think it was, the Chesswise
International. We talked for an hour or two, had lunch together. Among
other things we discussed our OTB strength. I told you my USCF OTB
rating, and mentioned my postal activities of earlier years. You've
forgotten, I suppose?
I seem to recall your saying to Keith, the teenage kid who hung out
with us for a while, that you were "nearly of IM strength" or words to
that effect. At the time I attached no significance to the remark.

Larry Parr wrote (8 Apr 2006 11:44:58 -0700):
One poster aptly called it "The Horsefeathers Defense."

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Guess who that "one poster" was?
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"THE 'HORSEFEATHERS' DEFENSE"
- Larry Parr (14 Jun 2005 19:57:27 -0700)
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It DOES have to be acknowledged that someone,
calling himself "fed up", had previously used the
word, "horsefeathers", in connection with the
matter. By now, I imagine that most here are
familiar with the type.
_
"Parrthenon keeps making solid, well-reasoned
arguments, ..." - fed up (30 Apr 2005 19:50:13 -0700)

Taylor Kingston wrote:
Chess One wrote:
I was misled too. So it turns out you were once an 1800 OTB player. Okay.
That's got that over with. Phil Innes

You were "misled too," Phil? Have you forgotten our conversation at
Stratton Mountain? June 1999 I think it was, the Chesswise
International. We talked for an hour or two, had lunch together. Among
other things we discussed our OTB strength. I told you my USCF OTB
rating, and mentioned my postal activities of earlier years. You've
forgotten, I suppose?
I seem to recall your saying to Keith, the teenage kid who hung out
with us for a while, that you were "nearly of IM strength" or words to
that effect. At the time I attached no significance to the remark.

Interesting. One of my Vermont correspondents on another newsgroup once
mentioned a "chessmaster named Phil" who stopped frequenting the local
clubs when he found the members refused to take orders from him. Any
chance it was the "nearly an IM"?

"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
ups.com...

Chess One wrote:
I was misled too. So it turns out you were once an 1800 OTB player. Okay.
That's got that over with. Phil Innes

You were "misled too," Phil? Have you forgotten our conversation at
Stratton Mountain? June 1999 I think it was, the Chesswise
International. We talked for an hour or two, had lunch together. Among
other things we discussed our OTB strength. I told you my USCF OTB
rating, and mentioned my postal activities of earlier years. You've
forgotten, I suppose?

Christ. Get it over with. 6 years ago. Was it 2000? Not that I really care,
but anything over 1700 meant that you stepped out of the book enough to play
on your own. Seems an odd thing to dsay but 95% of players never get that
far.

I seem to recall your saying to Keith, the teenage kid who hung out
with us for a while, that you were "nearly of IM strength" or words to
that effect. At the time I attached no significance to the remark.

O good. I am glad you remember. I remember a little snow coming down
outside. Playing Keith who was an okay junior. And a pint and a sandwich.
On another occasion I met Tim Hanke on a nearby mountain, and Kenny from
Harvard. They were playing in a tourney - Ivanov was there, and your
Burlington player Alain who had the Fischer anecdotes.

phil

Chess One wrote:
"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
ups.com...

Chess One wrote:
I was misled too. So it turns out you were once an 1800 OTB player. Okay.
That's got that over with. Phil Innes

You were "misled too," Phil? Have you forgotten our conversation at
Stratton Mountain? June 1999 I think it was, the Chesswise
International. We talked for an hour or two, had lunch together. Among
other things we discussed our OTB strength. I told you my USCF OTB
rating, and mentioned my postal activities of earlier years. You've
forgotten, I suppose?

Christ. Get it over with. 6 years ago. Was it 2000? Not that I really care,
but anything over 1700 meant that you stepped out of the book enough to play
on your own. Seems an odd thing to dsay but 95% of players never get that
far.

I seem to recall your saying to Keith, the teenage kid who hung out
with us for a while, that you were "nearly of IM strength" or words to
that effect. At the time I attached no significance to the remark.

O good. I am glad you remember. I remember a little snow coming down
outside. Playing Keith who was an okay junior. And a pint and a sandwich.

O good, I am glad you remember, too. Double-checking, and taking into
account your comment about "snow coming down," I recall it was not the
Chesswise International in June, but the Green Mountain Open, November
1999.
So, having agreed that we both remember the event, do you still claim
to have been "misled" about my postal rating or my OTB rating (which at
the time was actually below 1800)? Despite the fact that both were
mentioned to you there in person?

On another occasion I met Tim Hanke on a nearby mountain, and Kenny from
Harvard. They were playing in a tourney - Ivanov was there, and your
Burlington player Alain who had the Fischer anecdotes.

Do you mean Alan Shaw? I don't think he ever played Fischer, but he
did play Tal, who consumed alarming amounts of gin-and-tonic over the
course of the evening. Or do you mean Allyn Khan? He played Fischer at
State College, Pennsylvania, on May 31, the last stop on Bobby's big
1964 tour, when Allyn was a member of the Penn State team (cf. "A
Legend on the Road" (2nd edition) by John Donaldson, p. 192).

JOEL CHANNING ON STAYING THE COURSE

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:16 am

Gentlepersons,

I've already noticed a broadening out of subject matter including
articles of broader interest and emphasis on those human aspects of
chess that better reflect the true relationship between chess and a
life well lived. Yes, the Evans column is excellent, but Tim Redman's
article is beautifully written (I ordered the book immediately), Jerry
Hanken's articles about Nakamura and Las Vegas are top notch, Alex
Dunne's review of Korchnoi's book is excellent (my next purchase), and
Paul Motta's "Chess on the High Seas" made me kick myself for letting
my wife talk me out of going on that cruise (I'm now threatening to go
on this year's Alaska cruise alone if she won't go {you're all sworn to
secrecy that this is really an empty threat}). Jerry Hanken's article
on Khachiyan and Sevillano read like Damon Runyon describing a boxing
match.

Our goal is to first stabilize the number of memberships (it appears we
may have already achieved this) and then continue to grow USCF and
pursue the promotion of chess in the United States. The Board is
convinced that changing the old tired format and adopting a new
approach to design and content is a key first step in demonstrating
that USCF is capable of changing with the times in order to survive and
flourish (sort of Darwinian). It's a bold, but long overdue, approach
and we must stay the course, fine tuning it as we go if necessary. I am
convinced we're on the right track and that Dan Lucas is the guy to
keep us on that track.

-- Joel Channing

Stabilize the number of memberships?

June 03 Regular members 23,479 Affiliates 2,013
June 04 Regular members 20,977 Affiliates 1,632
June 05 Regular members 20,931 Affiliates 1,386
April 06 Regular members 20,692 Affiliates 1,358

Parr, why haven't you called Sam "almost not a child molester" Sloan on
the carpet for HIS false claims to the Master title?

There are some obvious reasons, but I'm thinking there has to be a
deeper reason....