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  #31  
Old April 10th 06, 08:06 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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I have always enjoyed Larry Evans' column in CL.

I asked a few friends today "just to see". I was surprised that
they all wanted it to stay.

I was surprised because I know it can be a bit repetitive and hokey
at times but every single person I asked said that it was the first
thing they read and wanted it kept.

Of course these people are not political in the slightest... I purposefully
asked only those I knew did not read here and were not involved
in USCF politics. Now if I were to poll another group consisting only
of these types I suspect the results would be quite different.

Duncan

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A POLITICAL CREATURE

I seem to recall Randy Bauer saying that Larry Evans
was a true man of chess. Now he is changing his tune and
talks about eliminating writers from Chess Life who are
eligible for Social Security.
.
The last thing in the world that the politicians and especially
a political creature such as Randy Bauer wants is to
ASK THE MEMBERS WHAT THEY WANT IN CHESS LIFE.

They know GM Evans, GM Soltis and a couple of others
would win hands down. Therefore, there will be no further
surveys by these honchos.

Randy Bauer figures, yes, Evans is very well liked and
popular as a columnist, and there must be no polling.

Joel Channing will tell us how how "excellent" Evans On Chess
is and how wonderful it all happens to be, and that will be that.
Dissent in Chess Life must be crushed.

My sources say that FIDE has complained about the
criticism of its corruption by Larry Evans.



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Old April 10th 06, 09:17 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:06:57 -0700, "Duncan Oxley" No@Thanks wrote:

I have always enjoyed Larry Evans' column in CL.

I asked a few friends today "just to see". I was surprised that
they all wanted it to stay.

I was surprised because I know it can be a bit repetitive and hokey
at times but every single person I asked said that it was the first
thing they read and wanted it kept.

Of course these people are not political in the slightest... I purposefully
asked only those I knew did not read here and were not involved
in USCF politics. Now if I were to poll another group consisting only
of these types I suspect the results would be quite different.

Duncan


Years ago, a poll of the membership revealed opposition to switching
from Descriptive to Algebraic notation. Didn't stop the bureaucrats
from doing what they thought was good for us.
  #33  
Old April 10th 06, 11:27 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Duncan Oxley wrote:
I have always enjoyed Larry Evans' column in CL.

I asked a few friends today "just to see". I was surprised that
they all wanted it to stay.

I was surprised because I know it can be a bit repetitive and hokey
at times but every single person I asked said that it was the first
thing they read and wanted it kept.

Of course these people are not political in the slightest... I purposefully
asked only those I knew did not read here and were not involved
in USCF politics. Now if I were to poll another group consisting only
of these types I suspect the results would be quite different.

Duncan


I will admit that Evans column is one of the few things that I read
every month although that may reflect the quality of the rest of the
magazine more than the quality of the column. It may also reflect the
fact that I enjoy the question and answer format. Nevertheless, I
think I would enjoy it even more if the columnist was someone with a
closer connection to the current tournament scene.

  #34  
Old April 11th 06, 12:43 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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*I have always enjoyed Larry Evans' column in CL. I asked a few friends
today "just to see". I was surprised that they all wanted it to stay.
Of course these people are not political in the slightest.*
(Duncan)

My chess friends all feel the same way, that he is still at the top
of his form. We all read his little gems posted each Monday at
worldchessnetwork.com.

To a person, the people at my club believe that political pressure
was exerted on the new editor to remove the most famous living American
player from Chess Life (except, of course, for Bobby Fischer).

Most of us think it was the best thing in Chess Life, and we all
enjoy the lively controversy found there that's missing from the rest
of that house organ.

As Parr would say, "And so it goes."

  #35  
Old April 11th 06, 03:13 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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jr (posting-host=207.200.116.66):
wrote (10 Apr 2006 16:43:43 -0700):

My chess friends all feel the same way, ...
We all read ...
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To a person, the people at my club believe ...
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Most of us think ...
we all enjoy ...


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"so far as anonymice are concerned, I discount
their words unless they provide airtight evidence
on a disputed point." - Larry Parr (26 Dec 2004
12:01:42 GMT)

  #36  
Old April 11th 06, 07:17 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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THE FIRST THING THEY READ

I have always enjoyed Larry Evans' column in CL.
I asked a few friends today "just to see". I was surprised
that they all wanted it to stay.

I was surprised because I know it can be a bit repetitive and hokey
at times but every single person I asked said that it was the first
thing they read and wanted it kept.

Of course these people are not political in the slightest... I
purposefully
asked only those I knew did not read here and were not involved
in USCF politics. Now if I were to poll another group consisting only
of these types I suspect the results would be quite different. --
Duncan Oxley

Right. I remember the old Chess Life surveys and the
hosannahs from the sticks for Soltis and Evans. That
is why the politicians call the survey a plebiscite. Those
rats want to make sure that this time around,they can
get rid of GM Larry Evans once and for all. He has been
a thorn in their side for lo these many years.

The new editor is just a pawn in this game.

ABOVE ALL ELSE, NO SURVEY!

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Old April 11th 06, 11:36 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Randy Bauer wrote:
As Wayne most likely recalls, I have written on numerous occasions
about the need to do a better job of learning what members want in
service from the USCF. I spoke about it while a member of the
Executive Board at several Board meetings as well. I still believe
the financial investment to do focus groups and other survey methods
would be worthwhile.

That said, I think every editor should have some latitude to make
changes. Today's Chess Life isn't all that different from when I first
started receiving it 30-plus years ago. The chess world has changed a
lot since then, and maybe it's time for Chess Life to do so as well.

Randy Bauer


Randy,

Yes I do recall your avocation for the need to do a better job of
learning what members want in service from the USCF. I agree with you
that the financial investment to do focus groups and other survey
methods would be worthwhile. I continue to await with anticipation the
surveying of what our members really want from the USCF.

If real change is what is wanted, rather than just a personalized
reshuffling by the current USCF leadership, we will also look forward
to a new Chess Life chock full of articles by world renowned
Grandmasters and US Champions who are part of the current scene.

Regards,
Wayne Praeder

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Old April 11th 06, 11:55 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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WPraeder wrote:
Randy Bauer wrote:
As Wayne most likely recalls, I have written on numerous occasions
about the need to do a better job of learning what members want in
service from the USCF. I spoke about it while a member of the
Executive Board at several Board meetings as well. I still believe
the financial investment to do focus groups and other survey methods
would be worthwhile.

That said, I think every editor should have some latitude to make
changes. Today's Chess Life isn't all that different from when I first
started receiving it 30-plus years ago. The chess world has changed a
lot since then, and maybe it's time for Chess Life to do so as well.

Randy Bauer


Randy,

Yes I do recall your avocation for the need to do a better job of
learning what members want in service from the USCF. I agree with you
that the financial investment to do focus groups and other survey
methods would be worthwhile. I continue to await with anticipation the
surveying of what our members really want from the USCF.

If real change is what is wanted, rather than just a personalized
reshuffling by the current USCF leadership, we will also look forward
to a new Chess Life chock full of articles by world renowned
Grandmasters and US Champions who are part of the current scene.


(Ignoring Praeder's knee-jerk assumption that all changes to Chess Life
are politically motivated.)

How about including articles by leading chess historians? Or leading
problemists and correspondence players?

  #39  
Old April 11th 06, 04:59 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Yeah, because you are not a USCF member and have no
voice in this matter. Same with the rest of you who are not
USCF members.


So, Chess Freak, your solution is to make everyone on this newsgroup be
quiet and pay your US Chess Federation money to participate in a
newsgroup moderated by the Chess Nazi Mike Nolan?


What in the world are you talking about? All I'm saying is that if you are
not a member of the USCF you have no right participating in a poll of
the readers of Chess Life to see what columns are to be featured. This
has nothing to do with nationalism, you moron.


I think you represent the world view of the American Cowboy: Bully
everyone into submission to the American way (we have no voice because
we do not pay your political leaders money), extort money in the form
of USCF dues for participating in a "moderated discussion", and
threaten to kill anyone who disagrees with the USCF?


Huh? Do you realize how stupid you sound?

Chess Freak, I would like to meet you. One day you might get to meet
somebody differet from you and learn something about this world in
which you live.



I've already met you. I'm a former Texas State amateur chess champion
back when you lived in Texas. I thought you were an idiot back then too.



Marcus Roberts



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Old April 11th 06, 05:15 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Right. I remember the old Chess Life surveys and the
hosannahs from the sticks for Soltis and Evans. That
is why the politicians call the survey a plebiscite. Those
rats want to make sure that this time around,they can
get rid of GM Larry Evans once and for all. He has been
a thorn in their side for lo these many years.

The new editor is just a pawn in this game.

ABOVE ALL ELSE, NO SURVEY!


I think if Chess Life wants to drop Evans then the ICC should pick him up.

I bet that would generate a lot of traffic to the ICC homepage.

Duncan


 




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