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Old April 29th 06, 04:32 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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MALIGNANT HARMONY

Phil Innes and I have had some titanic battles,
in truth. As for Larry Evans and myself, I launched an
attack on him that the ratpackers have reprised over the
years. And I criticized him for playing in Castro's Cuba at
the Capablanca Memorial in 1964 -- even though the USCF
sent an Olympiad team there in 1966.

GM Evans took strong exception to my views, but that
has not damaged our friendship over the years. We simply
agree to disagree about several issues, including abortion.

There is no similar honesty among the ratpackers, who
squeal together in malignant harmony.

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Old April 29th 06, 04:33 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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MALIGNANT HARMONY

Phil Innes and I have had some titanic battles,
in truth. As for Larry Evans and myself, I launched an
attack on him that the ratpackers have reprised over the
years. And I criticized him for playing in Castro's Cuba at
the Capablanca Memorial in 1964 -- even though the USCF
sent an Olympiad team there in 1966.

GM Evans took strong exception to my views, but that
has not damaged our friendship over the years. We simply
agree to disagree about several issues, including abortion.

There is no similar honesty among the ratpackers, who
squeal together in malignant harmony.

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Old April 29th 06, 07:06 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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The fact that Winter was proved so catastrophically wrong is I believe
why he still hates me. There are other reasons as well. He also detests
Simpole, my publisher, who taught at Winter's school during the 1970s
and knew him well. Simpole used to thrash him at chess with his eyes
shut thus shattering any illusions Winter may have harboured as to his
playing strength.



Even if this were true, I somehow doubt that Edward Winter would all
of a sudden begin hating Ray Keene (forever after) just on account of
this one small thing. To make such a claim strains the imagination.
Especially in view of the fact that this claim is always accompanied by
ad hominem attacks on Winter -- attacks which are quite telling, not
about EW or his purported playing strength, but about the *objectivity*
of his critics.

The simple fact that these critics *feel the need* to mention
Winter's playing strength tells volumes, since Winter is not a
heavy-duty chess analyst, but rather, a historian. If there is
anything which ought to be mentioned, it would seem to be Winter's
qualifications (or lack thereof) in that arena.

By the same token, EW never seems to explain why he "hates" (for lack
of a better word) Ray Keene. It seems like it must be something
personal between them. Perhaps the issue is that RK has "stolen"
Winter's title, his birthright? You know, the world's greatest
authority on chess (and mindsports).

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Old April 29th 06, 07:39 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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Tipsy wrote:

"The funny thing is: they??? used a lot of Karpov stuff as refference
:-)"


Karpov? Let me think. Isn't he the guy who went down in history as
ducking Kasparov for ten years before losing 8-0 to Fischer? No, wait.
Make that ducking Fischer for twenty years before personally beating
up Kortchnoi's son in Merano? No, that's not right, 'cause he couldn't
beat up my old granny.

Karpov/Polugaevsky probably made it into the notes in the Sicilian
chapter. The matches between the two super-Ks probably made it into
BCO everywhere; they were on the cutting edge of whatever they played.

"Never mind its a good book. I used it a lot. Now i have more
sources. But
still i will not forget my BCO 2."

I remember when this was the best (more or less) single volume
openings reference around (in English anyway). It would have been the
book I turned to had I ever seen Sam Sloan play his slop at a chess
tournament: N-b5?, moving the same pieces over and over? Surely this
is unsound (flips through BCO table of contents).

At my level of play, it didn't matter which of them really wrote the
book. Tisdall, Schiller, Kasparov (blindfolded and drugged), Keene
without his glasses....

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Old April 29th 06, 08:33 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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jr wrote:

"Not only is Taylor Kingston predictable, he is also graceless."

g4 responded:

"Speaking of which ... would you not say that an anonymouse
who agrees 100% with Parr is very, very PREDICTABLE?"


Parrots don't technically "agree"; they mimick.


"And in addition, would not an anonymous Larry Parr flunkie
be considered graceless?"


There is no such word as "flunkie". But even if there were, it would
be unfair to compare a mindless parrot like jr with a human lackey,
because a human is responsible for his flunkyism, while a parrot is...
well, just a mindless bird.

The same thing goes for these attacks on jr for being an
"anonymouse"; can a mindless bird be held responsible for not pecking
out its name? I think not. And besides, the other revolving
dittoheads needed a mascot.


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Old April 29th 06, 12:17 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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help bot wrote:
jr wrote:

"Not only is Taylor Kingston predictable, he is also graceless."

g4 responded:

"Speaking of which ... would you not say that an anonymouse
who agrees 100% with Parr is very, very PREDICTABLE?"


Parrots don't technically "agree"; they mimick.


Good point.

"And in addition, would not an anonymous Larry Parr flunkie
be considered graceless?"


There is no such word as "flunkie".


It appears to be an alternate spelling for "flunky."

But even if there were, it would
be unfair to compare a mindless parrot like jr with a human lackey,
because a human is responsible for his flunkyism, while a parrot is...
well, just a mindless bird.


You must be speaking of Alekhine's Parrot. That's the most mindless
reading on the internet, aside from this newsgroup.

The same thing goes for these attacks on jr for being an
"anonymouse"; can a mindless bird be held responsible for not pecking
out its name? I think not. And besides, the other revolving
dittoheads needed a mascot.


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Old April 29th 06, 03:43 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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"Niemand" wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
MALIGNANT HARMONY

Phil Innes and I have had some titanic battles,
in truth ... There is no similar honesty among the ratpackers


Larry Parr and Phil Innes as poster boys for honesty ... wow. Kind of
like Osama bin Laden and George W. Bush nominating themselves for the
Nobel Peace Prize.


How charming of Kingston to make such comparisons. Not that he is apt to
make purely gratuitous and obscenely insulting unwonted personal ad hominem
comments in place of talking about subjects...

May maybe below we will glance on some topic... ?

There is no similar honesty among the ratpackers, who
squeal together in malignant harmony.


Oh Larry, you don't know the half of it. Edward Winter is in fact the
reincarnation of Aleister Crowley. He wears the Ash Nazg, and we,
slaves to his will, ride fell steeds in the night dispatching dark
deeds. At his bidding, we gather for Witches' Sabbaths and other
diabolical rites. We read aloud from the Necronomicon. We worship Baal,
Morgoth, Cthulhu, and Huitzilpochtli. We even (a hush falls over the
room) ... we even ... (dare I say it?) ... we listen to Led Zeppelin
backwards.


....or continue to gloss.

I note in passing a minor correction; that it is a witches' /Sabat/.

An old term is "eye-bite", to bewitch by a certain evil influence of the
eye, as reported in Nathaniel Bailey's Etymological English Dictionary,
1749.

We should not take Mr. Kingston seriously about his list of activities.
Instead we should observe what he does, instead of what he says he does:
which g is a distinction of philosophy and self-promoting rhetoric.

Aleister Crowley, whose house over-looked the Great Glen, was much more
scientific than Clan de-Winter. If he said look at something in the
Necronomicon, you can bet your sporran that there was something there to
look at.

Clan de-Winter are a more ghostly sect, and refer instead to passages in
invisible writing in BCO.

Phil Innes


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Old April 29th 06, 04:07 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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Niemand wrote:
We even (a hush falls over the
room) ... we even ... (dare I say it?) ... we listen to Led Zeppelin
backwards.


Whoever you are, please leave me out of these rock-crap fantasies.

The Historian

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Old April 30th 06, 07:32 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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Larry Parr reported (25 Jan 2006 06:02:49 -0800)
that GM Keene wrote:
Edward winter ... once claimed that kasparov's
contribution to bco batsford chess openings was
ghosted ...

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I wrote (25 Jan 2006 10:04:33 -0800):
Can GM Keene, Larry Parr, or anyone else back
this up with a quote from a verifiable source?

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Larry Parr reported (25 Jan 2006 17:28:36 -0800)
that GM Keene wrote:
winter clearly impugned authorship in chess notes

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I wrote (25 Jan 2006 22:42:40 -0800):
A much more vague claim

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Phil Innes reported (Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:54:46 GMT)
that GM Keene wrote:
I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL WINTER QUOTES
RE THE AUTHORSHIP OF BCO
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chess magazine volume 49
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letter from ed winter signed "edward winter geneva"
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here are some choice extracts re bco:
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having questioned "the exact role of kasparov in the
whole business--"
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in an earlier communication-winter refers to:
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"my doubts about whether kasparov had been
sufficiently involved in bco to merit one of the
two author credits"
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and
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"batsfords exaggerated use of a name is not
limited to bco"

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I wrote (27 Apr 2006 22:33:03 -0700):
Does GM Keene contend that these quotes can
be fairly described as a "claim" "that kasparov's
contribution to bco batsford chess openings was
ghosted"?

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Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:29:36 GMT):
Does Louis Blair intend to define his own terms?

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I wrote (28 Apr 2006 13:29:41 -0700):
"If Phil Innes has trouble with ordinary words
in English he should consult a dictionary."
- Louis Blair (14 Mar 2006 12:25:52 -0800)

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Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:29:36 GMT):
Why does Louis Blair require someone else to
parse [The Edward Winter quotes] for him?

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I wrote (28 Apr 2006 13:29:41 -0700):
I am not asking anyone to do any parsing in this
discussion.


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Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:57:40 GMT):

I wonder what parsing is, if not to fairly describe one's
comprehension of?


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According to a handy (admittedly cheap) dictionary,
to parse means "to describe the grammatical function
of each word in a sentence." I have not asked anyone
to describe the grammatical function of each word in
a sentence.

 




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