Ray Keene wrote:- //Phil Innes

I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL WINTER QUOTES RE THE AUTHORSHIP OF BCO

chess magazine volume 49

letter from ed winter signed "edward winter geneva"

here are some choice extracts re bco:

having questioned "the exact role of kasparov in the whole business--"

in an earlier communication-winter refers to:

"my doubts about whether kasparov had been sufficiently involved in bco to
merit one of the two author credits"

and

"batsfords exaggerated use of a name is not limited to bco"

THIS IS VERY VERY CLEAR AND IN WINTERS OWN WORDS

QED QED QED QED QED QED QED QED

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Ray Keene wrote:- //Phil Innes

I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL WINTER QUOTES RE THE AUTHORSHIP OF BCO

chess magazine volume 49

letter from ed winter signed "edward winter geneva"

here are some choice extracts re bco:

having questioned "the exact role of kasparov in the whole business--"

in an earlier communication-winter refers to:

"my doubts about whether kasparov had been sufficiently involved in bco to
merit one of the two author credits"

and

"batsfords exaggerated use of a name is not limited to bco"

THIS IS VERY VERY CLEAR AND IN WINTERS OWN WORDS

QED QED QED QED QED QED QED QED


The funny thing is: they??? used a lot of Karpov stuff as refference :-)

Never mind its a good book. I used it a lot. Now i have more sources. But
still i will not forget my BCO 2.

tipsy

Chess One wrote:
Ray Keene wrote:- //Phil Innes

I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL WINTER QUOTES RE THE AUTHORSHIP OF BCO

chess magazine volume 49

letter from ed winter signed "edward winter geneva"

here are some choice extracts re bco:

having questioned "the exact role of kasparov in the whole business--"

in an earlier communication-winter refers to:

"my doubts about whether kasparov had been sufficiently involved in bco to
merit one of the two author credits"

and

"batsfords exaggerated use of a name is not limited to bco"

THIS IS VERY VERY CLEAR AND IN WINTERS OWN WORDS

QED QED QED QED QED QED QED QED

Be prepared for 50 post from The Count, Louie and an assult on your
ability to accuratly look up reference information for the Portice of
Pa.
Rob

Chess One wrote:
Ray Keene wrote:- //Phil Innes

I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL WINTER QUOTES RE THE AUTHORSHIP OF BCO

chess magazine volume 49

letter from ed winter signed "edward winter geneva"

here are some choice extracts re bco:

having questioned "the exact role of kasparov in the whole business--"

in an earlier communication-winter refers to:

"my doubts about whether kasparov had been sufficiently involved in bco to
merit one of the two author credits"

and

"batsfords exaggerated use of a name is not limited to bco"

THIS IS VERY VERY CLEAR AND IN WINTERS OWN WORDS

QED QED QED QED QED QED QED QED

Before accepting these as a "QED" of GM Keene's claim, one would like
to see the letter(s) in full. Three sentence fragments taken out of
context could give the appearance of proving almost anything.

* Before accepting these as a "QED" of GM Keene's claim, one would
like
to see the letter(s) in full. Three sentence fragments taken out of
context could give the appearance of proving almost anything. *
(Kingston)

This guy is so predictable. When the proofs are presented,
what will be the next smear coming Keene's way?

"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
oups.com...

Chess One wrote:
Ray Keene wrote:- //Phil Innes

I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL WINTER QUOTES RE THE AUTHORSHIP OF BCO

chess magazine volume 49

letter from ed winter signed "edward winter geneva"

here are some choice extracts re bco:

having questioned "the exact role of kasparov in the whole business--"

in an earlier communication-winter refers to:

"my doubts about whether kasparov had been sufficiently involved in bco
to
merit one of the two author credits"

and

"batsfords exaggerated use of a name is not limited to bco"

THIS IS VERY VERY CLEAR AND IN WINTERS OWN WORDS

QED QED QED QED QED QED QED QED

Before accepting these as a "QED" of GM Keene's claim, one would like
to see the letter(s) in full. Three sentence fragments taken out of
context could give the appearance of proving almost anything.

So write to WINTER and ask him! But if either Keene or Winter provides more
information - what does it matter to Taylor Kingston? What depends on it?

Phil Innes

MESSAGE FROM GM KEENE

Before accepting these as a "QED" of GM Keene's claim, one would like
to see the letter(s) in full. Three sentence fragments taken out of
context could give the appearance of proving almost anything. --
Taylor Kingston

Edward Winter wrote twice about BCO in the British magazine
CHESS, 1984, volume 49 and I quoted the relevant passages from both

August 1984 pages 111-114 and Christmas 1984 pages 231-233

Winter's letters are very lengthy but I was careful to ensure the
quotes conformed to the spirit of the surrounding text which if
anything is even more commital on this point. He clearly thought
Kasparov was there solely to boost sales and had little or no input
into the book

The fact that Winter was proved so catastrophically wrong is I believe
why he still hates me. There are other reasons as well. He also detests
Simpole, my publisher, who taught at Winter's school during the 1970s
and knew him well. Simpole used to thrash him at chess with his eyes
shut thus shattering any illusions Winter may have harboured as to his
playing strength.

Larry Parr reported (25 Jan 2006 06:02:49 -0800)
that GM Keene wrote:
Edward winter ... once claimed that kasparov's
contribution to bco batsford chess openings was
ghosted ...
_
I wrote (25 Jan 2006 10:04:33 -0800):
Can GM Keene, Larry Parr, or anyone else back
this up with a quote from a verifiable source?
_
Larry Parr reported (25 Jan 2006 17:28:36 -0800)
that GM Keene wrote:
winter clearly impugned authorship in chess notes
_
I wrote (25 Jan 2006 22:42:40 -0800):
A much more vague claim
_
Phil Innes reported (Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:54:46 GMT)
that GM Keene wrote:
I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL WINTER QUOTES
RE THE AUTHORSHIP OF BCO
_
chess magazine volume 49
_
letter from ed winter signed "edward winter geneva"
_
here are some choice extracts re bco:
_
having questioned "the exact role of kasparov in the
whole business--"
_
in an earlier communication-winter refers to:
_
"my doubts about whether kasparov had been
sufficiently involved in bco to merit one of the
two author credits"
_
and
_
"batsfords exaggerated use of a name is not
limited to bco"

_
Does GM Keene contend that these quotes can
be fairly described as a "claim" "that kasparov's
contribution to bco batsford chess openings was
ghosted"?

Larry Parr reported (27 Apr 2006 18:23:39 -0700)
a communication from GM Keene:

I was careful to ensure the quotes conformed to the
spirit of the surrounding text which if anything is even
more commital on this point.

_
Was GM Keene as careful as he was when he led people
to believe that Taylor Kingston decided to "concentrate"
on the Duras-Teichman (Ostend, 1906) game?
_
Is GM Keene willing to provide the actual sentences that
contained these fragments?

_
Larry Parr reported (27 Apr 2006 18:23:39 -0700)
a communication from GM Keene:

I quoted the relevant passages from both
August 1984 pages 111-114 and Christmas
1984 pages 231-233

_
In that case, these would not have been "THE ORIGINAL
WINTER QUOTES RE THE AUTHORSHIP OF BCO",
would they?

wrote:
MESSAGE FROM GM KEENE

Before accepting these as a "QED" of GM Keene's claim, one would like
to see the letter(s) in full. Three sentence fragments taken out of
context could give the appearance of proving almost anything. --
Taylor Kingston

Edward Winter wrote twice about BCO in the British magazine
CHESS, 1984, volume 49 and I quoted the relevant passages from both

August 1984 pages 111-114 and Christmas 1984 pages 231-233

Winter's letters are very lengthy but I was careful to ensure the
quotes conformed to the spirit of the surrounding text which if
anything is even more commital on this point. He clearly thought
Kasparov was there solely to boost sales and had little or no input
into the book

The fact that Winter was proved so catastrophically wrong is I believe
why he still hates me. There are other reasons as well. He also detests
Simpole, my publisher, who taught at Winter's school during the 1970s
and knew him well. Simpole used to thrash him at chess with his eyes
shut thus shattering any illusions Winter may have harboured as to his
playing strength.

Hmmm ... let's see what an unscupulous editor might do with the above
paragraphs:

Winter's letters are very ... careful
Kasparov was ... proved so catastrophically wrong ... he still hates
me ... He also detests ... Simpole, my publisher, who ... used to
thrash him at chess with his eyes shut ...