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Old May 9th 06, 06:38 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Larry Parr wrote (8 May 2006 19:41:14 -0700):

our lad from Indiana attacked Larry Evans for being
part of a conspiracy to "brainwash" the American
public into accepting Fischer's conditions against
Karpov in 1975 as fair when exactly the opposite
was true. GM Evans was virtually the only columnist
in Chess Life who branded Fischer's conditions as
unfair. Needless to say, Mr. Kennedy is silent about
that boo-boo.


_
Here is the result of my own attempt to track down
Greg Kennedy's description of what happened:
_
"In the beginning (dejavu), Evans was critical
of Bobby for his unfair "demands." In fact,
he was almost alone in this, amidst a swarm
of mindless Fischer fanatics who dominated
the pages of Chess Life at that time with their
drivel, thanks largely to editorial bias.
_
Over time, Larry has shifted from his original,
well-reasoned position, toward a cold war,
herd mentality position which takes the heavy
blame off the weary, unpadded shoulders of --
no, not Atlas -- but Bobby Fischer, and
procedes to drop the load onto the always-
handy target of FIDE and its minions. How
unoriginal." - Greg Kennedy (Sun,
26 May 2002 05:51:08 GMT)
_
I believe that, in the second paragraph, Greg Kennedy
had in mind what GM Evans wrote for the March 1986
issue of Chess Life:
_
"[Karpov] will go down in history as the man
who avoided a match with Bobby Fischer and
then eluded him for the next ten years. ...
[Karpov] did all in his power to drive an unstable
American genius out of chess."

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  #172  
Old May 9th 06, 06:48 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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A CONSPIRACY SO VAST

Here is what I wrote in rec.games.chess.politics on May 7, 1999:

THE KENNEDY LEGACY

It is obvious that there was a vast conspiracy in the
press which brainwashed nearly everyone in the USA into
supporting Fischer, regardless of the true facts. --
Greg Kennedy in a posting of February 7

In a posting of May 6, Greg Kennedy once again accuses this
writer -- without providing a single specific citation -- of
attacking his person. Alas, he has inverted truth.

As a matter of pure punctilio, it is always important to nail down
lies diametrically opposite the truth. Mr. Kennedy can adduce no
instances of myself animadverting toward his person because I have
relentlessly attacked only his arguments. However, in a posting of
March 16, Mr. Kennedy wholeheartedly embraced infantile name-calling.
He spewed out the following: "This is why you are known a [sic]
Liarry, Larry the Liar, a dirty fellow, and so on." He also
called me a moron.

Fine. His name-calling leaves me unmoved. I do, however, object
to his attributing his scummy practices to this writer.

In a posting of February 7, Greg Kennedy claimed that a "vast" and
"obvious" conspiracy "in the press" brainwashed "nearly everyone" in
the
United States. So "vast" and "obvious" was this conspiracy that tens
of
millions of Americans -- "nearly everyone" -- had their minds,
scrubbed, sluiced and spruced. Mr. Kennedy also stated that GM
Larry Evans -- practically the sole voice in Chess Life objecting
to Fischer's match conditions vs. Karpov in 1975 -- eventually
"succumbed" to the conspiracy. Yet to this day I have never read
a word by GM Evans suggesting that Fischer's conditions were
fair. And GM Yasser Seirawan, the other named conspirator, was
only 15 years old in 1975!

So far, so bad. But worse was to come.

On February 9 Mr. Kennedy wrote that GM Evans was one of the
key conspirators. If on February 7 Mr. Kennedy had GM Evans
marked down as a victim, he transmogrified him into a leading
conspirator on February 9.

Since Mr. Kennedy introduced the word "moron" two months ago, I
think it fair once again -- and again -- to list our opposing
positions. Readers can judge for themselves the moron's identity:

1. Mr. Kennedy claims that there was a "vast" and "obvious" conspiracy
on behalf of Robert Fischer and his title desiderata. Larry Parr
claims
there was no "vast" and "obvious" conspiracy.

2. Mr. Kennedy claims that the "vast" and "obvious" conspiracy
occurred
"in the press." Mr. Parr claims that only a low-circulation magazine
named Chess Life had an editorial position that supported Fischer's
match conditions in 1975. Inside Chess didn't even exist until

1988 and therefore could not have been part of the 1975 conspiracy.

3. Mr. Kennedy claims that the "vast" and "obvious" conspiracy
"brainwashed nearly everyone in the USA." Mr. Parr claims that
Chess Life never reached "nearly everyone" in the United States.
Mr. Parr further claims that there is no evidence whatsoever to
indicate mass brainwashing.

4. Mr. Kennedy claims that the brainwashing was conducted "in the
press." Mr. Parr claims that beyond Chess Life, the mainstream
press engaged in no such brainwashing. Mr. Parr further claims
that if one were to search old issues of The New York Times, The
Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times and so on, one would find
very limited coverage (if any) of Fischer's match conditions.

5. Mr. Kennedy claims that the "vast" and "obvious" conspiracy
succeeded in its brainwashing task in favor of Fischer's match
conditions. Mr. Parr sees no evidence of any kind to support this
view. None. Where, for example, are the opinion polls of people
who believe that these conditions were fair?

6. Mr. Parr argues that Mr. Kennedy's supposed "vast" and "obvious"
conspiracy would require a headquarters and secretariat. Mr. Kennedy
cannot provide the location of the supposed headquarters and
secretariat
of his "OBVIOUS" [my emphasis] "vast conspiracy."

7. Mr. Parr believes that Mr. Kennedy's posited "vast" and "obvious"
conspiracy would require personnel. Mr. Kennedy, who asserts that the
conspiracy is indeed "vast" and "obvious," cannot provide names of the
bureaucratic personnel.

8. Mr. Parr states that Mr. Kennedy's purported "vast" and "obvious"
conspiracy would require funding. Mr. Kennedy, who avers that the
conspiracy is indeed "vast" and "OBVIOUS" [my emphasis], cannot provide
funding details or even the names of financial backers and donors.

9. Mr. Parr notes that past conspiracies in history, which have been
vast, did not necessarily yield internal documentary substantiation
(e.g., the role of the Jacobins in the burning of the chateaux), but he
knows of no conspiracy in history that was both "vast" and "OBVIOUS"
[my
emphasis] which did not leave a lot of internal paper around. For
example, readers are invited to peruse old, bound issues of Inprekorr,
the official journal of the Comintern from 1919 to 1943. All kinds of
internal documents were routinely published because the conspiracy to
rule the world was both vast and obvious. Mr. Kennedy cannot provide
internal documentation showing the existence of his posited "vast" and
"obvious" conspiracy.

10. Mr. Kennedy refers to a group called "Kalme think-alikes" who
succeeded in brainwashing GM Larry Evans and others. Mr. Parr wants
Mr.
Kennedy to name the numerous "think-alikes" who peopled his "VAST" [my
emphasis] and "obvious" conspiracy.

11. Mr. Kennedy states on February 7, that GM Larry Evans "succumbed"
to his posited "vast" and "obvious" conspiracy, and he writes on

February 9, that GM Evans was one of the conspirators. Mr. Parr states
that what started out as an inconsistent and weakminded smear may be
plausibly called a lie in the absence of an amende honorable. (Mr.
Kennedy cannot explain this self-contradictory smear, except to
repeat -- as he does on May 6 -- that he has already addressed
the issue. That's his ploy.)

12. Mr. Parr argues that Mr. Kennedy should apologize unreservedly for
insulting the readers of this forum with such a pathetic, self-
contradictory smear. Mr. Kennedy refuses to make the amende honorable.

13. Mr. Kennedy states without qualification that a "vast" and
"obvious" conspiracy exists. This writer asserts that no such
conspiracy ever existed, IF ONLY BECAUSE WE CHESS PEOPLE HAVE NEVER
RATED THE KIND OF MEDIA ATTENTION NECESSARY to brainwash "nearly
everyone" in the United States.

14. Both Mr. Kennedy and this writer agree completely on one point:
either Mr. Kennedy's views or this writer's views on the conspiracy
issue are moronic.

The above 14 points encapsulate our positions. I believe that
Mr. Kennedy's arguments -- if not the gent himself -- are truly
moronic. Further, a good case can clearly be made that Mr. Kennedy
has raised his smear against GMs Evans and Seirawan from a sloppy
failure to reread his previous posts before contradicting himself
to the status of a bright, shining lie.

-- Larry Parr

  #173  
Old May 9th 06, 06:58 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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TYPICAL DISHONESTY

I believe that, in the second paragraph, Greg Kennedy
had in mind what GM Evans wrote for the March 1986
issue of Chess Life: -- Louis Blair

"[Karpov] will go down in history as the man
who avoided a match with Bobby Fischer and
then eluded him for the next ten years. ...
[Karpov] did all in his power to drive an unstable
American genius out of chess."-

A typical dishonest posting from the parser who
finds the quotations that he wishes to find and
takes them out of context.

  #174  
Old May 9th 06, 07:05 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Louis Blair wrote:

"GM Evans wrote for the March 1986 issue of Chess Life:"
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
[Karpov] will go down in history as the man who
avoided a match with Bobby Fischer and then eluded
him for the next ten years. ... [Karpov] did all in his
power to drive an unstable American genius out of chess.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Apparently, by 1986 Larry Evans had already begun to lose his
grip on reality.
Years earlier, a sharper-minded Evans noted that Bobby Fischer
himself, or his stubborness rather, was to blame for his early
retirement. Karpov became a handy scapegoat as he happenned
to be the next-best player -- and conveniently, a Russian.


Larry Parr wrote:

"GM Evans was virtually the only columnist in Chess Life who
branded Fischer's conditions as unfair."

Come now: just how many "columnists" did Chess Life have back
then? I think it should be possible to state with precision whether
or not Evans was the only one to call Fischer's conditions unfair.

Unfortunately, this singular focus on CL leaves us in the dark as
to how the international press treated this issue.

-- help bot

  #175  
Old May 9th 06, 08:09 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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I wrote (8 May 2006 21:38:51 -0700):

"Over time, Larry has shifted from his original,
well-reasoned position, toward a cold war,
herd mentality position which takes the heavy
blame off the weary, unpadded shoulders of --
no, not Atlas -- but Bobby Fischer, and
procedes to drop the load onto the always-
handy target of FIDE and its minions. How
unoriginal." - Greg Kennedy (Sun,
26 May 2002 05:51:08 GMT)
_
I believe that, in the second paragraph, Greg Kennedy
had in mind what GM Evans wrote for the March 1986
issue of Chess Life:
_
"[Karpov] will go down in history as the man
who avoided a match with Bobby Fischer and
then eluded him for the next ten years. ...
[Karpov] did all in his power to drive an unstable
American genius out of chess."


_
Larry Parr wrote (8 May 2006 21:58:17 -0700):

A typical dishonest posting from the parser who
finds the quotations that he wishes to find ...


_
I would be interested to here any alternative theory
that Larry Parr may have about what Greg Kennedy
had in mind on Sun, 26 May 2002 05:51:08 GMT.
Over the next few weeks, Greg Kennedy made
such comments as these, specifically about the
March 1986 quote.
_
"clearly influenced by a cold war attitude
which fails to see things objectively. ...
The total lapse of reason, replaced by a
mixed-up screenplay in which Karpov
plays the villain, Fischer and Kaspy are
the heroes, and poor, pathetic Fischer is
'driven out' of chess by external causes."
- Greg Kennedy (Wed, 05 Jun 2002
02:58:52 GMT)
_
"It seems to me that Larry Evans and
Larry Parr would both LIKE for history to
remember Karpov in this manner -- for
history to lay the blame on the shoulders
of Karpov and FIDE, rather than Bobby,
himself." - Greg Kennedy (Wed,
19 Jun 2002 06:15:55 GMT)

_
Larry Parr wrote (8 May 2006 21:58:17 -0700):

[the parser] takes [the quotations] out of
context.


_
Larry Parr, of course, identifies nothing specific
about the context that, in his opinion, needs
to be mentioned.

  #176  
Old May 9th 06, 08:23 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Larry Parr posted:

"I believe that, in the second paragraph, Greg Kennedy
had in mind what GM Evans wrote for the March 1986
issue of Chess Life: -- Louis Blair"

"[Karpov] will go down in history as the man
who avoided a match with Bobby Fischer and
then eluded him for the next ten years. ...
[Karpov] did all in his power to drive an unstable
American genius out of chess."

--

Are you sure this is a quote of Larry Evans? As the word
"avoided" is spelled correctly, I think this may have actually
been a quotation of Larry Parr instead.


-- help bot

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Old May 9th 06, 08:28 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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HE COULDA BEEN A CONTENDAH

For the record, Mr. Kennedy (our Help Bot) has a
record of forgetting what he writes one day and then
posting shortly thereafter an account that utterly
contradicts what he already wrote.

I noted, for example, that he wrote on February 7,
1999 that Larry Evans was a victim of a
conspiracy that brainwashed tens of millions of
Americans. Two days later, he has GM Evans
as one of the key conspirators!

Later Mr. Kennedy spoke of how he was bored to
sleep by what this author wrote re the Winter affair.
Forgetting this putdown, he wrote shortly thereafter
that he stayed up the whole night reading the
account. Evidence of a heroic Indiana mind? A man
who can stay up all night reading what puts him to
sleep? Get thee hither, anodynes.

Mr. Kennedy is best known on this forum for
blaming his failure to become a grandmaster on the
cornstalks of Indiana. IF, IF, IF he had but lived elsewhere,
he coulda been a contendah. He, too, could play chess with
the great and discuss Xenophon with the Messrs. Parr and Keene
but for a deprived background of reading comic books during the
1960s. The idea here is that whereas he might have a soulmate
in a Louie Blair, he cannot have one in a Parr or Keene or Evans.

To avoid misunderstanding, we do not believe a
youth among ears of corn necessarily affects
intellectual performance between the ears of humans
later in life. The truth is that there are large
libraries in Indiana, which can be said about every
state in the American Union, including probably even
Alaska. There are huge bookstores in which the
accumulated learning of the ages can be had for a
comparative song. Used bookstores often have classics
put among the 10-cent volumes left outside during the
night to be purchased on the honor system.

No, sirree. Mr. Kennedy has no one to blame
but himself. We understand that the man will spend
the rest of his life hating grandmasters and his
intellectual betters because, as he himself so often
averred, he coulda been a contendah.

  #178  
Old May 9th 06, 08:32 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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I wrote (8 May 2006 21:38:51 -0700):

"Over time, Larry has shifted from his original,
well-reasoned position, toward a cold war,
herd mentality position which takes the heavy
blame off the weary, unpadded shoulders of --
no, not Atlas -- but Bobby Fischer, and
procedes to drop the load onto the always-
handy target of FIDE and its minions. How
unoriginal." - Greg Kennedy (Sun,
26 May 2002 05:51:08 GMT)
_
I believe that, in the second paragraph, Greg Kennedy
had in mind what GM Evans wrote for the March 1986
issue of Chess Life:
_
"[Karpov] will go down in history as the man
who avoided a match with Bobby Fischer and
then eluded him for the next ten years. ...
[Karpov] did all in his power to drive an unstable
American genius out of chess."


_
Larry Parr wrote (8 May 2006 21:58:17 -0700):

A typical dishonest posting from the parser who
finds the quotations that he wishes to find ...


_
I would be interested to hear any alternative theory
that Larry Parr may have about what Greg Kennedy
had in mind on Sun, 26 May 2002 05:51:08 GMT.
Over the next few weeks, Greg Kennedy made
such comments as these, specifically about the
March 1986 quote.
_
"clearly influenced by a cold war attitude
which fails to see things objectively. ...
The total lapse of reason, replaced by a
mixed-up screenplay in which Karpov
plays the villain, Fischer and Kaspy are
the heroes, and poor, pathetic Fischer is
'driven out' of chess by external causes."
- Greg Kennedy (Wed, 05 Jun 2002
02:58:52 GMT)
_
"It seems to me that Larry Evans and
Larry Parr would both LIKE for history to
remember Karpov in this manner -- for
history to lay the blame on the shoulders
of Karpov and FIDE, rather than Bobby,
himself." - Greg Kennedy (Wed,
19 Jun 2002 06:15:55 GMT)

_
Larry Parr wrote (8 May 2006 21:58:17 -0700):

[the parser] takes [the quotations] out of
context.


_
Larry Parr, of course, identifies nothing specific
about the context that, in his opinion, needs
to be mentioned.

  #179  
Old May 9th 06, 08:53 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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After nearly forty years of carefully scrutinizing each and every post
by the Blairbot, hoping beyond hope to find a flaw, a tiny weakness of
some sort which I can later recount, over and over until he
"apologises", I have finally done it; I have found a mistake, a
blunder, a horrible misstep by the Nutty Professor!

At this very moment, I am forwarding copies to Larry Parr, Ray Keene,
and the others (yes, ALL 912 of them) who have been caught with their
pants down and battered to death for their countless, careless
misstatements of facts over the years, for which they have been
literally *tortured* right here on the net by Louis Blair -- in public,
even!

Now we can finally get even; we can all "ask" Mr. Blair why he made
the following horrible mistake, and I have nothing less than a *direct
quote* to prove my case! Here it is -- the blunder we have all been
waiting for, these many years:


Larry Parr attacks:

"A typical dishonest posting from the parser[,] who finds the
quotations that he wishes to find...".


Louis Blair responds:

"I would be interested to *here* any alternative theory
that Larry Parr may have...".


There you have it -- the horrible mistake I promised! That's
right -- Louis Blair is human, just like the rest of us. And while his
logic and reason may well be beyond reproach, his spelling
is akin to a gaping hole on e5, just begging for an enemy Knight to
hop in. He's clearly just not a strong enough speller, as I'm sure
Ray Keene will attest. Now posters like Ray Keene and Larry Parr
-- who have so often been publicly humiliated by Mr. Blair in the past
-- can *finally* take their revenge; they can quote and re-quote and
re-re-quote this spelling error until doomsday. Sweet revenge -- a
dish
best served cold!


-- help bot

  #180  
Old May 9th 06, 02:25 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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HEAR! HEAR!

"I would be interested to *here* any alternative
theory that Larry Parr may have..." -- Louis Blair

There you have it -- the horrible mistake I

promised! That's right -- Louis Blair is human,
just like the rest of us. And while his logic and
reason may well be beyond reproach, his spelling is
akin to a gaping hole on e5, just begging for an
enemy Knight to hop in. He's clearly just not a strong enough
speller, as I'm sure Ray Keene will attest. Now posters like
Ray Keene and Larry Parr -- who have so often been publicly
humiliated by Mr. Blair in the past -- can *finally* take their
revenge; they can quote and re-quote and re-re-quote this
spelling error until doomsday. Sweet revenge -- a dish best
served cold! -- Help Bot

Dear Greg Kennedy,

Why must you always fidget like a Harlequin
suffering from St. Vitus Dance?

Louie Blair will be trying to do his best for you
in the coming several days, but you are not helping at
all. You doth protest too much, and you only cause
people to recollect Louie's lapses and lacunae. You
embarrass the Blairbot a mite. Indeed, "broadly," as Louie
so weakmindedly inserted the word in one of his recent
attempts to appear more sapient than simian.

 




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