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Larry Parr wrote (6 Jun 2006 18:52:37 -0700):
... Our NM Kingston obviously considers such writing to epitomize his understanding of how history ex omissio should be written. ... _ What about the opinions of Larry Parr and GM Evans on how history should be written: _ On 18 Apr 2003 13:30:13 GMT, Larry Parr called our attention to a November 2002 contribution to Chess Life by GM Evans: _ _ "WHY FISCHER QUIT _ Scott Sensiba Cape Girardeau, Missouri _ Q. Can you tell me again why Bobby Fischer didn't defend his title against Anatoly Karpov in 1975? I think Bobby could have won. _ A. This question has been covered here at length over the years, but I'll try again because so many people keep asking. _ I believed then as now that Fischer's obstinacy killed the deal. 'Finally America produces its greatest chess genius, and he turns out to be just a stubborn boy,' lamented Hans Kmoch. _ Bobby resigned his title after FIDE rejected a key demand -- that the match consist of an unlimited number of games, draws not counting, until one player won 10 games (with the champion retaining his title on a 9-9 tie). Instead FIDE restricted it to 36 games, counting draws, which they knew he would reject. _ Whether he would have defended his title even if FIDE capitulated to all of his demands is debatable, but the political nature of the close vote was obvious. The Soviets and their allies voted as a bloc against Fischer's key demand. Western nations split. In general they supported his position but a notable exception was England. _ Lev Alburt said that Soviet grandmasters privately scoffed at Karpov's chances in 1975. Most pundits believed he would lose -- and badly. By quitting, Fischer not only turned down a multi-million dollar purse -- he set back the cause of chess in America and tragically destroyed his own career. _ After seizing the title by default, Karpov became the most active champion in history to try and prove it was no fluke. In 1977 a Soviet-dominated FIDE routinely granted him a rematch clause, a bigger mathematical edge than anything Fischer ever sought. This incident soured me and many others on FIDE." _ _ Some of the subsequent discussion: _ "the GM Evans quote is seriously flawed. He fails to mention that FIDE eventually offered to agree to the unlimited number of games and that what finally terminated the Fischer-FIDE negotiations was Fischer's demand that he keep his title unless the challenger finished two or more points ahead of the champion." - Louis Blair (Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:40:42 -0500) _ _ "Notice the weasel word 'eventually.' FIDE did not agree to give an unlimited number of games to Fischer vs. Karpov in 1975 -- they restricted it to 36 games" - Larry Parr (19 Apr 2003 14:51:14 GMT) _ _ "what reason is there to call ['eventually'] a 'weasel word'? Why does Larry Parr tell us that 'FIDE did not agree to give an unlimited number of games to Fischer vs. Karpov in 1975'? According to Golombek: _ 'Another attempt was made to bring the FIDE and Fischer into complete accord, when Colonel Edmondson (U.S. Chess Federation) asked for the summoning of an extraordinary meeting of the FIDE Congress. There being a sufficient number of countries in agreement, it duly assembled at Bergen-aan-Zee in the Netherlands from 18 to 20 March, 1975. It was an extraordinary congress in every sense of the word, and eventually, after much heated discussion, one of Fischer's demands was conceded: the match was to have a limitless number of games. But Fischer's other demand - that a draw be declared when the situation reached nine to nine - was rejected by a majority of three. Fischer's words on hearing this were, "It's all over then." No match took place. Fischer ignored the request to say by 2 April whether or not he would play, and Karpov became the new world champion ...'" - Louis Blair (Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:51:01 -0500) _ _ "Also, does Larry Parr have an explanation for how GM Evans could authoritatively write that FIDE 'knew' Fischer would reject the 36 game limit? Was GM Evans trying to suggest that FIDE, as a group, deliberately sought to avoid a match in 1975?" - Louis Blair (17 Apr 2006 00:00:38 -0700) |
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Larry Parr wrote (6 Jun 2006 18:52:37 -0700):
... Our NM Kingston obviously considers such writing to epitomize his understanding of how history ex omissio should be written. ... _ What about the opinions of Larry Parr and GM Evans on how history should be written? _ On 18 Apr 2003 13:30:13 GMT, Larry Parr called our attention to a November 2002 contribution to Chess Life by GM Evans: _ _ "WHY FISCHER QUIT _ Scott Sensiba Cape Girardeau, Missouri _ Q. Can you tell me again why Bobby Fischer didn't defend his title against Anatoly Karpov in 1975? I think Bobby could have won. _ A. This question has been covered here at length over the years, but I'll try again because so many people keep asking. _ I believed then as now that Fischer's obstinacy killed the deal. 'Finally America produces its greatest chess genius, and he turns out to be just a stubborn boy,' lamented Hans Kmoch. _ Bobby resigned his title after FIDE rejected a key demand -- that the match consist of an unlimited number of games, draws not counting, until one player won 10 games (with the champion retaining his title on a 9-9 tie). Instead FIDE restricted it to 36 games, counting draws, which they knew he would reject. _ Whether he would have defended his title even if FIDE capitulated to all of his demands is debatable, but the political nature of the close vote was obvious. The Soviets and their allies voted as a bloc against Fischer's key demand. Western nations split. In general they supported his position but a notable exception was England. _ Lev Alburt said that Soviet grandmasters privately scoffed at Karpov's chances in 1975. Most pundits believed he would lose -- and badly. By quitting, Fischer not only turned down a multi-million dollar purse -- he set back the cause of chess in America and tragically destroyed his own career. _ After seizing the title by default, Karpov became the most active champion in history to try and prove it was no fluke. In 1977 a Soviet-dominated FIDE routinely granted him a rematch clause, a bigger mathematical edge than anything Fischer ever sought. This incident soured me and many others on FIDE." _ _ Some of the subsequent discussion: _ "the GM Evans quote is seriously flawed. He fails to mention that FIDE eventually offered to agree to the unlimited number of games and that what finally terminated the Fischer-FIDE negotiations was Fischer's demand that he keep his title unless the challenger finished two or more points ahead of the champion." - Louis Blair (Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:40:42 -0500) _ _ "Notice the weasel word 'eventually.' FIDE did not agree to give an unlimited number of games to Fischer vs. Karpov in 1975 -- they restricted it to 36 games" - Larry Parr (19 Apr 2003 14:51:14 GMT) _ _ "what reason is there to call ['eventually'] a 'weasel word'? Why does Larry Parr tell us that 'FIDE did not agree to give an unlimited number of games to Fischer vs. Karpov in 1975'? According to Golombek: _ 'Another attempt was made to bring the FIDE and Fischer into complete accord, when Colonel Edmondson (U.S. Chess Federation) asked for the summoning of an extraordinary meeting of the FIDE Congress. There being a sufficient number of countries in agreement, it duly assembled at Bergen-aan-Zee in the Netherlands from 18 to 20 March, 1975. It was an extraordinary congress in every sense of the word, and eventually, after much heated discussion, one of Fischer's demands was conceded: the match was to have a limitless number of games. But Fischer's other demand - that a draw be declared when the situation reached nine to nine - was rejected by a majority of three. Fischer's words on hearing this were, "It's all over then." No match took place. Fischer ignored the request to say by 2 April whether or not he would play, and Karpov became the new world champion ...'" - Louis Blair (Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:51:01 -0500) _ _ "Also, does Larry Parr have an explanation for how GM Evans could authoritatively write that FIDE 'knew' Fischer would reject the 36 game limit? Was GM Evans trying to suggest that FIDE, as a group, deliberately sought to avoid a match in 1975?" - Louis Blair (17 Apr 2006 00:00:38 -0700) |
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Larry Parr wrote (2 Jun 2006 18:30:49 -0700):
BACK TO HACK ... _ What about the last "hack" attack? _ _ "Neil Brennen went so far as to suggest that Mr. Hoffman ignore legitimate questions from 'hacks' like Larry Evans and yours truly. Yes, 'hack' was the word he used to describe the 5-time U.S. Champion and Hall of Famer." - Larry Parr (20 May 2006 02:04:29 -0700) _ _ "I have [checked my] own emails. I'll even post it he _ ************** Dear Mr. Hoffman, _ Again, I'd suggest ignoring all email from chesstours AKA Larry Evans. And please be prepared for all of your correspondence to appear on message boards and newsgroups, courtesy Evans and his pet hack Larry Parr. _ Best wishes, Neil Brennen ********************" - Neil Brennen (24 May 2006 02:45:27 -0700) _ _ Does Larry Parr have any more to say on this matter of GM Evans supposedly being called a "hack" by Neil Brennen? |
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Larry Parr wrote: "One is not surprised that NM Taylor Kingston -- the man who lied about his chess rating by advancing himself by 500 points -- would defend such writing even after confessing that he did not possess the first edition." The repetition thing again. Larry Parr believes that a lie, repeated enough times, will become accepted as the truth. I expect he learned this technique at the School of Lies and Propaganda, from which he graduated with honors many years ago. The facts seem to indicate that Mr. Kingston may have exaggerated his rating by around fifty points, and this is probably due to the problems with forfeited games which cost him rating points even though he was neither outplayed, nor checkmated. Obviously, if someone refers to an official rating, he must accept the unfairness of the rating system and quote his actual -- not deserved -- rating. But when someone refers to their "playing strength", there arises many differences of opinion, the player almost always believing he is under-rated. We saw an example of this phenomenon when Larry Parr tried to estimate how strong he thought Sam Sloan was; LP discounted Sloan's actual results, and beefed up his rating by quite a margin. Of course, Larry Parr did not attempt to lie about Sloan's *official* rating because it can easily be checked. This brings up an interesting question: if Larry Parr believes his own lies, he would think that Taylor Kingston's true playing strength is around 1800 USCF. That puts him rather close to Larry Parr's own strength, if I am not mistaken. Grudge match? -- help bot |
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michael adams wrote: help bot wrote: . You can't trust that guy; he claimed he beat back a five-pound cockroach with nothing more than a swat with a rolled-up Chess Life magazine! Now everyone knows that a five-pounder doesn't go down for the count *that* easily. Not unless he's throwing the bout for some payoff from the USCF or FIDE, that is; I bet he was working for Campomanes or Kirsan. In a *fair* match, I give the cockroach one out of five to win or draw; do you have any idea how people tend to react when they first see a five-pound cockroach? First comes screaming, then the face goes white, many will freeze up, not even defending themselves properly (grab a stick, a chair, or anything sturdy; fend off the beast while trying to get in a few good kicks to the legs, the head, or the lower abdomen; finish with a high leap into the air, coming down with all one's weight dead-center on the creature's back, crushing the exoskeleton. For a good demonstration, see Bruce Lee's superb technique in Enter the Dragon). (bot)(bot) - Lee's technique was (is) superlative. Crushing a juicy roach has the disagreeable effect of releasing noxious, sewer, drain-smelling, odours into extant atmosphere. Phooee.. True. Yet the ideal solution, a clean cut severing the head from the body, is not entirely effective; here the roach will not die immediately, but stumble around for days, until it eventually dies of thirst or hunger (without the head, it can't eat or drink). "War is hell." -- Sherman Some people seem to like the new Chess Life format. they talk about quality pictures and such. I always thought the main difference between Chess Life and an outdated chess book was the many color pictures and the upcoming tournament announcements. If it weren't for CL, I wouldn't have a clue what many contemporary GMs look like. I mean, some total stranger could walk up and challenge me to play blitz chess for five dollars a game, and I might say, "okay, sucker". After cleaning me out, he offers to give me some chess lessons some time for "only $80./hour -- my special discount rate for Class C players and below. In your case, way below." -- help bot |
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Referring to a helpbot note,
Phil Innes wrote (Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:46:05 GMT): Such a pity that this is not an actual quote from Keene, who, after all, wrote much here. Instead we have to suffer a 'paraphrase' from Kennedy, _ I wrote (5 Jun 2006 05:31:39 -0700): How many times have we had to "suffer" with a "paraphrase" from Phil Innes instead of an actual quote? Does Phil Innes think it is a "pity" that GM Keene did not quote the supposed focus to which he referred? Does Phil Innes think it is a "pity" that Larry Parr did not quote the supposed highlighting of a position to which he referred? _ Phil Innes wrote (Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:14:28 GMT): What Kennedy has done is suggest an indecent paraphrase of Keene - Is this what concerns Louis Blair? Should Kennedy distort what Keene said directly under the Blairian nose, and all Blair does is complain about who notices it? ![]() _ I wrote (5 Jun 2006 18:05:11 -0700): How much concern does Phil Innes have? Where does he write anything specific about what was "indecent"? I, at least, reproduced some of GM Keene's actual original words. _ I am, of course, also concerned about the Phil Innes paraphrase habit, and it seems appropriate to me to remind Phil Innes about his own behavior. _ Phil Innes wrote (Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:36:10 GMT): Casually passing over any aspect of essential truthfullness or fair representation in people's writing, Louis returns to his massive listing of things, and ... _ I wrote (6 Jun 2006 11:30:53 -0700): What specifics has Phil Innes provided about the "essential truthfullness or fair representation" in helpbot's writing? Here is one example of something specific (about the writing of Phil Innes) that I have provided: _ "Since when is the selfare of children 'meaningless?'" - Phil Innes (Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:05:11 GMT) _ "... dismissing others' as 'meaningless,' ..." - Phil Innes (Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:40:22 GMT) _ "You dismissed Pehme's site and his commissioned article as 'meaningless'." - Phil Innes (Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:12:42 GMT) _ "when I wrote to that subjct [of general standards Vinny] dismissed it as 'meaningless'" - Phil Innes (Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:52:20 GMT) _ On 3 Apr 2006 14:55:29 -0700, I provided the actual original quote: _ "... The fact that you approve of your own motives and disapprove of others' motives is meaningless ..." - Vince Hart (28 Mar 2006 09:47:07 -0800) _ Vince Hart himself wrote: _ "Please stop misrepresenting my position Phil. As I explained, I maintain that your claim that you are the only one who cares about certain issues is meaningless (although 'is a load of crap' may be a more accurate description of my position)." - Vince Hart (29 Mar 2006 08:34:50 -0800 _ Snipping all but the Vince Hart quote, Phil Innes wrote (Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:27:11 GMT): I hope you note that Kane ... _ Is "Kane" a nickname for Vince Hart? _ Phil Innes wrote (Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:27:11 GMT): ... is not quoting me that I claim to be the only one who cares about certain issues - but consider if he were to be specific and quoting me with actual content! _ I would think that most interpreted Vince Hart as meaning: the only one in this discussion. In his response to Vince Hart, Phil Innes wrote: _ "I was the only person [at the time of writing] to be concerned with 'the issue'" - Phil Innes (Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:48:24 GMT) _ In any event, whether or not Vince Hart misrepresented what Phil Innes wrote, that does not does not excuse the misrepresentation of Phil Innes. _ Phil Innes wrote (Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:27:11 GMT): Especially if I wrote about USCF standards of behavior of its board members and employees and contractors. If I had written that I cared about standards, he is indicating that I am the only one who does, ... _ No, Vince Hart was indicating that Phil Innes CLAIMS that he is the only one (in the discussion, I presume) who cared about standards. _ Phil Innes wrote (Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:27:11 GMT): ... and that it is meaningless ... _ "It" should, of course, refer to the Phil Innnes CLAIM about beint the only one ... _ Phil Innes wrote (Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:27:11 GMT): ... [to whom?], but implicitly that such standards are meaningless to him, either because he does not care for the issues of USCF standards, or that he doesn't care because I am the only one to write about them. shrug _ The real Vince Hart "meaningless" comment was, in fact, an objection to the Phil Innes conclusions about what others care about. If Phil Innes had reproduced that comment, it would have been easily apparent that Phil Innes was lifting that word out of the Vince Hart sentence and attaching it to PI's own theories about what goes on in Vince Hart's mind. Phil Innes repeatedly chose to not reproduce anything more than the one word, "meaningless". |
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SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE PARR
Louie Blair proved uninterested in my reporting on the cost of the new, small building in Cross-to-Bear in which I told readers of this group that it was set to cost $650,000 for a wooden structure about 40 percent the size of the building in New Windsor, which was sold for $515,000. You learned this fact two months before the Board itself confirmed the number of $650,000. Louie also proved uninterested in my reporting about a cash crunch coming up for the Federation. It hit, and the counterattack was that, in any case, it was not the end of the Federation. Nor did I ever claim it would be. But no matter. Louie was uninterested. As we knew he would be. Louie also appeared uninterested in my reporting about a $60,000 contract privately given to Crossville architect, famished Phil Elmore. After the usual counterattacks, the number was confirmed, and the political class announced it would renegotiate the document. Our Louie has also thus far seemed less than fascinated by my reporting that Joel Benjamin would be taking over the Q &A format which GM Evans conducted so luminously over the decades, even though the new editor told GM Evans that the format itself was tired. When GM Benjamin's column eventually appears in CL proper, which it will, our Louie won't be noting that I explained these developments to rgcp readers. For he will be uninterested. Another subject that never seemed to interest Louie was my reporting that Campomanes placed FIDE funds in his personal name in a Sheffield building account and, later on, simply appropriated 60 percent of the FIDE treasury as a retirement benefit for him. So, then, what did interest our Louie? He quotes me as follows: "In about 48 hours a major new candidate for FIDE president will become known. This individual may be able to defeat Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. You read it here first." The purpose of Louie's quoting me is to suggest that I got something wrong because the person who was considering running -- a major Asian chess personality -- decided not to make the run. My impression was that Larry Parr was referring to his own mind. As for whether or not Larry Parr caused any doubts three months ago, I can only guess. My guess would be that there actually are people who believed Larry Parr." -- Louis Blair So, then, I will shortly be offering up a fairly detailed account of the dirty stuff at the recent FIDE Congress. There will the usual counterattacks that will attempt to bury the details of how our "team" and others performed, but as with most of my reporting, the details that I present,will stand up. However, I can predict with almost complete accuracy what will prove of interest to the parser. .. |
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SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE PARR
Louie Blair proved uninterested in my reporting on the cost of the new, small building in Cross-to-Bear in which I told readers of this group that it was set to cost $650,000 for a wooden structure about 40 percent the size of the building in New Windsor, which was sold for $515,000. You learned this fact two months before the Board itself confirmed the number of $650,000. Louie also proved uninterested in my reporting about a cash crunch coming up for the Federation. It hit, and the counterattack was that, in any case, it was not the end of the Federation. Nor did I ever claim it would be. But no matter. Louie was uninterested. As we knew he would be. Louie also appeared uninterested in my reporting about a $60,000 contract privately given to Crossville architect, famished Phil Elmore. After the usual counterattacks, the number was confirmed, and the political class announced it would renegotiate the document. Our Louie has also thus far seemed less than fascinated by my reporting that Joel Benjamin would be taking over the Q &A format which GM Evans conducted so luminously over the decades, even though the new editor told GM Evans that the format itself was tired. When GM Benjamin's column eventually appears in CL proper, which it will, our Louie won't be noting that I explained these developments to rgcp readers. For he will be uninterested. Another subject that never seemed to interest Louie was my reporting that Campomanes placed FIDE funds in his personal name in a Sheffield building account and, later on, simply appropriated 60 percent of the FIDE treasury as a retirement benefit for him. So, then, what did interest our Louie? He quotes me as follows: "In about 48 hours a major new candidate for FIDE president will become known. This individual may be able to defeat Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. You read it here first." The purpose of Louie's quoting me is to suggest that I got something wrong because the person who was considering running -- a major Asian chess personality -- decided not to make the run. My impression was that Larry Parr was referring to his own mind. As for whether or not Larry Parr caused any doubts three months ago, I can only guess. My guess would be that there actually are people who believed Larry Parr." -- Louis Blair So, then, I will shortly be offering up a fairly detailed account of the dirty stuff at the recent FIDE Congress. There will the usual counterattacks that will attempt to bury the details of how our "team" and others performed, but as with most of my reporting, the details that I present,will stand up. However, I can predict with almost complete accuracy what will prove of interest to the parser. .. |
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"Louis Blair" wrote in message oups.com... ... [to whom?], but implicitly that such standards are meaningless to him, either because he does not care for the issues of USCF standards, or that he doesn't care because I am the only one to write about them. shrug _ The real Vince Hart "meaningless" comment was, in fact, an objection to the Phil Innes conclusions about what others care about. This is your paraphrase Louis. But it is a distorted one - the parser caught out yet again! I was making an /observation/ about what others wrote about, which had not to do with standards, but about their personal likes and dislikes of other people. In response to any more objective stance, Hart wrote that it was 'meaningless' - and my questions above stand. If Phil Innes had reproduced that comment, it would have been easily apparent that Phil Innes was lifting that word out of the Vince Hart sentence and attaching it to PI's own theories. Phil Innes repeatedly chose to not reproduce anything more than the one word, "meaningless". What is apparent [that means, what can be seen to be true - rather than claimed] is that no one else engaging in those conversations wrote about chess standards. Once more Blair confuses observation with citation - and fatuously wants me to quote people who did not say... in order for me to make any point of my own What a lulu! Phil Innes |
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