On 2 May 2006 19:42:15 -0700, I posted a copy of a
Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:02:27 GMT Timothy Hanke note
describing an incident involving Sam Sloan, a diaper,
and a board meeting.

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John J. wrote (Wed, 03 May 2006 05:44:12 GMT):

If that's true, it's very disturbing.

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By now, John J. is probably aware that Sam Sloan has
posted (3 May 2006 05:31:30 -0700) a claim that the
"entire story ... was a complete fabrication." Of course,
there is no way for John J. to find out for himself what
the smell was like, but he is in a position to note that
the Timothy Hanke and Sam Sloan accounts agree that
there was a complaint. Also, Sam Sloan does not
dispute that he did a change right there in the board
meeting.
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John J. can also note that Sam Sloan is posting his
"fabrication" claim about fifteen months after Timothy
Hanke stopped posting here. I suggest that John J.
try looking for a similar claim in the notes that Sam
Sloan posted in early October of 2003 when Timothy
Hanke would have been around to respond. A google
search for "diaper" finds nothing in any Sam Sloan
2003 rgcp note.
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Another consideration is the degree to which Sam
Sloan's own notes are consistant. Compare
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"I asked for permission to ask just one
question, which was granted by Beatriz
Marinello. The question I asked was for
Tim Hanke which was to explain his
posting to this group about his grand plan
for the future of the USCF. ... My question
was softball, the kind an ally would ask to
give a politician an excuse to speak."
- Sam Sloan (3 May 2006 05:31:30 -0700)
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with
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"I said that I had something to say, but that
certain people in the room will find it
objectionable and will want to call the police
to have me thrown out, ... I said that ... I feel
that the board should be concerned about
some of the things that [Tim Hanke] has been
saying. ... since the Executive Board meeting
on August 11, 2003, Tim Hanke has made 204
postings to the Internet ... he has represented
himself as a person with authority in the USCF
and he has stated that he wants to close down
the books and equipment business and he
wants to ..." - Sam Sloan (Tue, 30 Sep 2003
19:00:47 GMT)
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In the Holiday Quiz incident, all the relevant information
can be found with google. (The key note is reproduced
at the end of this note.)
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"Taylor Kingston is involved with USCF Sales
and is the perpetrator of the blacklist."
- Sam Sloan (Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:11:53 GMT)
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"No one [at USCF Sales] consults me on what
to stock in the catalog. I have never 'perpetrated'
any 'blacklist' of chess authors, or of anyone else."
- Taylor Kingston (22 Dec 2005 12:32:53 -0800)
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Sam Sloan's accusation continued to appear on a
Wikipedia discussion page.
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"I have had no involvment ever with USCF Sales,
except for buying the occasional book." - Taylor
Kingston (28 Dec 2005 09:31:43 -0800)
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"If that is the case, then kindly explain why when
I look at the chesscafe.com website I see the
words "Taylor Kingston & Hanon Russell"
prominently displayed at the top." - Sam Sloan
(Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:09:39 GMT)
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"It's the 9th Annual ChessCafe Holiday Quiz. I
wrote most of it, Hanon Russell the rest. Been
doing that for eight years now. Has nothing to do
with USCF Sales." - Taylor Kingston (28 Dec 2005
10:29:37 -0800)
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"I suggest looking at ... chesscafe ... and
seeing that what it actually says there is
"Holiday Quiz by Taylor Kingston & Hanon
Russell". - Louis Blair (29 Dec 2005
03:30:41 -0800)
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I have not seen anything more on this matter from Sam
Sloan or Larry Parr, but, at one point, even Larry Parr
DID feel obliged to acknowledge:
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"[Sam Sloan's] name-calling is deplorable."
- Larry Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)
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I am not sure what exactly Larry Parr was reacting to,
but here is a sample of what Sam Sloan had been
posting:
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"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)
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Not too long ago, referring to some of his Wikipedia
contributions, Sam Sloan posted a challenge:
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"Please provide a statement by me in
any of these articles that was not true
and cannot be verified" - Sam Sloan
(10 Apr 2006 04:11:27 -0700)
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I promptly reminded Sam Sloan about one of his statements:
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"For the past more than 30 years, every time a new
book by Keene has come out or a new article by
Keene has been published, Edward Winter has
written articles attacking it." - Sam Sloan
(Fri, 03 Mar 2006 16:46:37 GMT)
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Sam Sloan decided to post a revised version of his
challenge:
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"Kindly provide to this group an example
of one statement which I posted on
Wikipedia and WHICH [RALF CALLENBERG]
DELETED which is: 1. Not true and
2. Cannot be verified" - Sam Sloan
(10 Apr 2006 08:05:17 -0700)
(Emphasis added.)
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(Ralph Callenberg responded on 10 Apr 2006
08:53:23 -0700.)
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At Wikipedia, one can find the record of several
experiences with Sam Sloan:
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"I do object when [Ralph Callenberg], JoanneB
and Janeth, none of whom know anything
about chess, try to delete the entire article."
- Sam Sloan (16:41, 24 December 2005 (UTC))
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Dorsch
(The result of the debate was delete. - howcheng
20:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC))
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"I am having a dispute with Howcheng and
I request the Arbitration Committee to
resolve it." - Sam Sloan
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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration
Sam Sloan against Howcheng regarding Tom Dorsch
(soundly rejected - Dmcdevit 06:23, 11 February 2006)
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"The act by Howcheng to delete my Tom
Dorsch article was clearly wrong. ... I need
an order of protection telling Howcheng
to stay from my articles until he learns
something about chess." - Sam Sloan
(03:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC))
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Wikipediaeletion review/Tom Dorsch
(deletion endorsed - Splash 23:53, 10 March 2006)
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"the arbitration committee should consider
this dispute [with Paul Rubin]." - Sam Sloan
(10:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC))
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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration
[Sam Sloan vs. Paul Rubin]
(rejected - Sam Korn 11:11, 25 March 2006)
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"[Ralf Callenberg] ... should not be allowed
to delete or modify my postings." - Sam
Sloan (01:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC))
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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration
[Sam Sloan vs. Ralf Callenberg]
(rejected - Sam Korn 11:11, 25 March 2006)
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"I am requesting that, if possible and
legally allowed, your chess federation
bring a proceeding to censure or
reprimand or otherwise punish Herr
Callenberg." - Sam Sloan (Fri,
07 Apr 2006 14:54:46 GMT)
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"Re Wikipedia: Don't take Sam Sloan's
goofy complaint seriously." - jr
(16 Apr 2006 11:47:22 -0700)
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Take a look at
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chess_Life
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for an example of what it can be like to have a
dispute with Sam Sloan. Here is part of an
example that took place he
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"If you are right, then I can
think of 100 people who would
pay the $40 so that Fischer be
allowed to play chess again."
- Sam Sloan (Thu, 26 Sep 2002
21:10:30 GMT)
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"Fischer has stated that he
does not wish to be a member
of USCF and does not wish to
play standard chess again. On
that basis alone, I would say
that the USCF would be justified
to reject any attempt by a third
party to pay for a Fischer
membership in the USCF." - Louis
Blair (Thu, 26 Sep 2002
18:20:10 -0500)
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"Sam Sloan wrote: When did he
say this? I am not aware of such
a statement.
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Put up or shut up, Mr. Blair. I
am fairly certain that you just
lost this dabate. Time to set up
the pieces and try again." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 27 Sep 2002
05:52:01 GMT)
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"Fischer indicated his desire to
have nothing to do with the USCF
in 1992. See Seirawan's book,
No Regrets. As for Fischer and
standard chess, listen to the
Jan 27, 2002 Fischer radio
interview." - Louis Blair (Fri,
27 Sep 2002 03:23:04 -0500)
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"I have listened to the Jan 27,
2002 Fischer radio interview. I
have it in my computer. Fisdcher
said nothing about the USCF. Not
even one word. He said, 'I don't
play the old chess any more,
period'. However, he also said
that he has spent a lot of time
studying the games of Kasparov
and Kramnik.
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... you have not answered the
question which started all this.
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You wrote 'Fischer has stated
that he does not wish to be a
member of USCF'.
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My question was: When did he say
this? I am not aware of such a
statement.
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Now, answer the question or shut
up already." - Sam Sloan (Fri,
27 Sep 2002 18:54:59 GMT)
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"I never claimed that Fischer
said anything about USCF in [the
radio] interview. ... I repeat:
See Seirawan's book, No Regrets."
- Louis Blair (Fri, 27 Sep 2002
18:31:55 -0500)
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"Ok. I admit that I have not read
the book. However, it was
published in 1992, which is ten
years ago. Assuming that the book
really contains such a quote,
which I doubt, still that would
at best reflect Fischer's views
ten years ago. That might be
entirely different from what
Fischer's views are now, a decade
later." - Sam Sloan (Sat, 28 Sep
2002 01:51:07 GMT)
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"One thing we know about how
Fischer has changed since then is
that he now says things like, 'I
don't play the old chess any more,
period'.
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Sam Sloan wrote, 'I can think of
100 people who would pay the $40
so that Fischer be allowed to play
chess again.'
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It seems to me that, under the
circumstances, USCF would be
justified to reject an attempt by
a third party to pay for a Fischer
membership in the USCF. There
would have to be word from Fischer
himself that he wanted a
membership. Otherwise, he could
(as he has in the past) attack the
USCF for claiming Fischer as a
member when Fischer did not
consider himself to be a member."
- Louis Blair (Fri, 27 Sep 2002
21:19:41 -0500)
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"I doubt that Fischer ever made the
statement that you claim he made,
at least not in that context."
- Sam Sloan (Sun, 29 Sep 2002
03:40:52 GMT)
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"Allow me to jump in for Dr. Blair:
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Q. The US House of Representatives
in Congress recognized you as
World Champion. Doesn't it annoy
you that the US Chess Federation
does not?
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A. (Snipped comments on US House
of Representatives) ....As far as
the US Chess Federation goes, I
have nothing to do with them, I
consider them to be a pro-Soviet,
criminal organization, terrible
people. I would like... I would
appreciate it if all of my fans
cancelled their subscriptions to
their horrible magazine Chess
Life - I call it Chess Lies - and
withdrew from the membership of
this organization. I haven't been
a member of this organization for,
I don't know, maybe for about 17
years or something. I have a
strict practice not to open Chess
Life, since 1976 I haven't looked,
haven't touched it. I see the
cover, that's it, I never open it.
Also, the US Chess Federation even
now, I told them I'm not a member
of the organization and I have
nothing to do with them. Until
recently, they were still using my
name, saying I'm a member, trying
to solicit memberships using my
name. This is the kind of people
they are.
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--- From the transcript of the
third press conference, September
14, 1992, as printed on pages
88-89 of No Regrets." - Neil
Brennen (Sun, 29 Sep 2002
01:28:44 -0400)
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"Do you believe everything you
read in a book? I do not." - Sam
Sloan (Sun, 29 Sep 2002
09:27:55 GMT)
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Would we want to have this sort of thing going
on at every USCF board meeting?
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The key note for the Holiday Quiz incident:
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From: (Sam Sloan)
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On 28 Dec 2005 09:31:43 -0800, "Taylor Kingston"
wrote:


Chess One wrote:
I really wanted to point out that Frank made his corrective statement to
you, Sam Sloan ...

Which you did by repeatedly claiming the statement came from Al
Lawrence.

and you would include the correction as an update to the
entry, as an example of trying to be honest. That has been the general
contention here - to fairly represent a subject.

Indeed it is. As an example of Sloan's fairness, honesty and factual
correctness, I would submit his repeated allegations of a USCF Sales
"blacklist" and his claim that "Taylor Kingston is involved with USCF
Sales and is the perpetrator of the blacklist."
As I have repeatedly pointed out to Sam:

A) To my knowledge, no such blacklist exists,
B) If it does, I have had no part in creating it, and
C) I have had no involvment ever with USCF Sales, except for buying
the occasional book.

What I didn't like is the assumption that this willingness to be corrected
is not the case ...

So then, when may we expect Sam to justify your faith, and correct
and/or retract any or all of his false statements above? When may we
expect him to improve his seriously under-researched (a favorite term
of yours, Phil) "article" on Hanon Russell, say, by actually contacting
Russell himself?

If that is the case, then kindly explain why when I look at the
chesscafe.com website I see the words "Taylor Kingston & Hanon
Russell" prominently displayed at the top.

Is this a mistake, or is Hanon Russell deliberately slandering you by
publicly associating you with his blacklisting operation?

Sam Sloan
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Here are some links for those who want to
look at more of the Wikipedia stuff:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ion/Tom_Dorsch
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...oldid=39171201
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...oldid=43215421
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...oldid=45399095

NO BIGGIE

You say you were going to vote for him anyway, so no
biggie. I tend to think there aren't a whole lot of votes to
be had among those reading RGCP anyway. -- Randy Bauer

There are veteran insiders and parvenu insiders.

I disagree with Randy Bauer, if such were his
point, that there are not a large number of USCF
voters at rgcp. The issue is how many can be
influenced at this point.

Character trumps platform any day. -- Randy Bauer

I agree that character is important when assessing
a candidate, which is why I could never support Randy
Bauer, a tax-looter, for USCF office.

Sam Sloan's personal character may be spotty, but it
appears to me a whole lot cleaner than that of a Bauer
or that of an ego-poltroon such as Taylor Kingston.

Sam has issued an interesting platform, and he
consistently discusses issues rather than personality
in spite of the mudslinging by the Messrs. Bauer and
Brock. One stands in frank amazement at Sam's
restraint in the face of their daily attacks.

As in repeating a mantra, Mr. Bauer, who is the
lead attack dog for the Executive Board, once again
tells us that Sam was convicted of a felony, but he
will not say what the "crime" happened to be.

Then, he moves on to Sam losing a security license,
implying ex omissio that Sam was convicted of bilking someone.

Next he tries to turn Sam's loss of a taxi license into a crime of
some kind, whereas if one understands the corrupt nature of NYC
licensing, it is likely a virtue on Sam's part.

Finally, the man speaks of Sam writing tastelessly about
sexual exploits, declining to repeat the Brockian mantra
about Sam being a child molester -- an interesting omission,
though perhaps merely inadvertant.

ONCE AGAIN:

1. Sam's felony was to take his own daughter, disobeying a
court order.

This affair of the heart would not have been in our ever-more
encompassing court system two generations back. Any father
might have acted the same, including our Mr. Bauer, if God forbid,
circumstances ever so dictate -- at which point, we would have
Mr. Bauer sanctimoniously announcing that he could never bring
himself to vote for a felon such as himself.

2. Sam, who is not a lawyer, argued his securities case
before the U.S. Supreme Court AND WON by a 9-0 vote, but
to overturn the bureaucratic edict, he would have had to spend
many hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal battles for
which he did not have the wherewithal.

3. Sam's losing a NYC taxi license is likely a
sign of honesty on his part.

4. As for sexual tastelessness, it is all a
matter of taste. Sam's revelations violate my sense
of the fitting, but so do the priggish harping of our
Mr. Bauer and the obsessional repetition of unproven
charges by Mr. Brock. If one had to choose between
Sam's lapses and the practices of Bauer-Brock, I
would take Sam's any day.

DIRTY DIAPERS

The Sam Sloan diaper episode was one of the
early attacks on Sam Sloan, conducted by Stan Booz
(Beatriz Marinello's right hand man) who was heading
up the smear campaign two elections back.

Then came Bill Brock. And now, for this
election, Randy Bauer is the point man for the
Executive Board. He hopes to get rewarded by the
insiders in case he decides to run again after losing
the last election.

The charge was that Sam did a poor job at
changing a dirty diaper. There may be a father
somewhere who does pristine work in this department.
I was not one of them, but perhaps Randy Bauer will
pronounce himself proficient.

wrote in message ups.com...
Sam has issued an interesting platform, and he
consistently discusses issues rather than personality


Oh boy! Louis Blair is going to have a field day refuting that last
whopper. Pick a month ... any month ... and one can easily find
hundreds (if not thousands) of mud-slinging from sloan.


in spite of the mudslinging by the Messrs. Bauer and
Brock. One stands in frank amazement at Sam's
restraint in the face of their daily attacks.


"Editor" liarry must have those funhouse mirrors in his home ... you
know, the ones which distorts all images ... where big looks small,
fat looks thin, etc. Right now his mirror has sloan showing restraint? LOL.
I'll bet that same mirror shows parr's head the size of a jelly bean.

A GOOD TASK FOR LOUIE

Oh boy! Louis Blair is going to have a field day refuting that last
whopper. Pick a month ... any month ... and one can easily find
hundreds (if not thousands) of mud-slinging from sloan. Mr. No Name

And how many of those posts are from the fake Sam Sloan?

Speaking of our friend Louie, if he wants evidence of what Winter
wrote about Kasparov ghosting BCO why doesn't he accept GM
Keene's offer to mail or fax him the Winter material in full instead of
repeating the same rants over and over?

Larry Parr wrote (3 May 2006 19:13:33 -0700):

The charge was that Sam did a poor job at
changing a dirty diaper.

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I do not think that that accurately describes the charge.
I was not there and can not say whether or not the
charge is justified, but rec.games.chess.politics
readers got a chance to see what the charge was:

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From: "Tim Hanke"
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Subject: Crossville, TN
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:02:27 GMT
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Jim,
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When Sam Sloan was lying about other people, I couldn't
always know what was true.
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When Sloan started lying about me, it became obvious to
me that he was lying, because I had personal knowledge of
the truth.
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This is why he is so dangerous: Sloan lies about everything,
usually to try to make other people look bad, but in each
case, only a few people will actually know he is lying.
Everybody else in the audience will have to guess.
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After Sloan caused an embarrassing scene at this past
weekend's board meeting, the board members discussed
what we should do in cases like this. We decided we
wouldn't allow this kind of outrageous behavior in the future.
At future board meetings and delegates meetings, if Sloan
shows up and starts spouting off with his personal attacks
as he did this past weekend, we will just cut him off, and if
necessary have him removed from the room. There is no
place for inappropriate behavior like that at our meetings.
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Personally I felt bad for the audience. This past weekend
we were in a very small room, and Sloan's daughter had a
very full diaper. Sloan of course didn't care, but everyone in
the audience had to put up with the smell. When our COO
Grant Perks tried to pick her up, she actually peed on his
hand and Grant had to go to the bathroom to wash up.
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Even after Sloan was publicly asked to change his daughter's
smelly diaper, he stood around with a vacant look on his
face for several minutes, doing nothing. Possibly he was
rehearsing his crazy rant in his mind, which fortunately for
everyone he did not get the opportunity to deliver in full.
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Finally he changed his daughter's diaper, but rather than
taking her into the bathroom or somewhere more private,
he changed her diaper in the midst of the tightly packed
audience, so they had to watch and smell the proceedings.
Then he put the dirty diaper in the wastebasket in our small
meeting room, rather than taking it into the bathroom.
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Sloan then stood there with his unwashed hands for the
rest of the meeting, and probably proceeded to shake hands
with people afterward. Now that I have a good idea of his
personal hygiene, I will be sure never to shake his hand.
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Tim Hanke
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Larry Parr wrote (3 May 2006 19:03:02 -0700):

If one had to choose between Sam's lapses and
the practices of Bauer-Brock, ...

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"there are five certified candidates for the
two open slots on the USCF Executive
Board. They a Mike Goodall, Randy
Hough, Grant Perks, Ernie Schlich, and
Sam Sloan." - Sam Sloan (Tue,
18 Apr 2006 05:16:22 GMT)

Larry Parr wrote (3 May 2006 19:40:39 -0700):

Speaking of our friend Louie, if he wants evidence of
what Winter wrote about Kasparov ghosting BCO why
doesn't he accept GM Keene's offer to mail or fax him
the Winter material in full instead of repeating the same
rants over and over?

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The only GM Keene offer that I have seen was in a
paragraph that referred to "praising" of BCO. I have
no interest in seeing quotes of praising of BCO. If
GM Keene DID offer to send the recently posted
"role of kasparov", "my doubts", and "exaggerated
use" quotes, we could probably arrange for me to
examine them and express an opinion about whether
or not the omitted context makes a significant
difference with regard to the apparent meaning, but
it must be understood that that still would not settle
a central question.
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"Does GM Keene contend that these
quotes can be fairly described as a
'claim' 'that kasparov's contribution to
bco batsford chess openings was
ghosted'?" - Louis Blair (27 Apr 2006
22:33:03 -0700)
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GM Keene does not seem to want to answer.
For that matter, Larry Parr also does not seem to be
eager to say whether or not he thinks these latest
quotes can be fairly described as a "claim" "that
kasparov's contribution to bco batsford chess openings
was ghosted".

g4 wrote (Wed, 3 May 2006 22:33:35 -0400):

Pick a month ... any month ... and one can easily
find hundreds (if not thousands) of mud-slinging
from sloan.

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Larry Parr wrote (3 May 2006 19:40:39 -0700):

And how many of those posts are from the fake
Sam Sloan?

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A google search for rgcp notes referring to a
"fake Sam Sloan" produces nothing before
16 May 2005 08:36:03 -0700. However, well
before that, Larry Parr felt that it was appropriate
to acknowledge:
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"[Sam Sloan's] name-calling is deplorable."
- Larry Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)
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I am not sure what exactly Larry Parr was reacting to,
but here is a sample of what we had been seeing:
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"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)
)
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(The recent "$am $loan for USCF Executive Board"
note was also from .)