* What Winter has attempted to do for many years
in letter writing campaigns was to get Keene fired from
the Times of London, Tisdall fired from Reuters, Goodman
fired from the AP, and Evans fired from Chess Life.* (Parr)

While I do enjoy some of Winter's work and have a set
of his Chess Notes, what I dislike is his personal attacks
and envy -- yes, envy -- of great achievers who play the
game far, far better than he does.

What I despise about Winter is how he carries his
venom into the real world. Trying to get people fired is
in my humble opinion, unforgiveable.

LIKE SOME NAZI MINION

Ah, now the cat's out of the bag. Keene claims that like some Nazi
minion, I have blindly followed orders from an evil Führer, like a
ringwraith I am slave to a Dark Lord. Talk about (to use Keene's own
words) an "outrageous slur with no evidence at all"! -- Taylor
Kingston

For the record it was Taylor Kingston, not GM
Keene, who brought in the Nazis as in his "like some
Nazi minion, I have blindly followed orders from an
evil Fuehrer," etc. We grant the evident irony of putting
words in Keene's mouth that were never said.

Ray Keene ripped NM Kingston a new one in their
exchange. Mr. Kingston averred that Mr. Keene had
corrected errors from earlier editions of a work by
the latter and then later denied having consulted those
editions. Amazing stuff from our reviewed reviewer.

Naturally Louis Blair will not condemn one of his
allies for doing this sort of thing. In one of Louie's
anthology of out-of-context quotes, he has me condemning
Sam Sloan for name-calling. But he fails to mention I was
referring to the FAKE Sam Sloan -- not the real one.

And so it goes.

wrote:
LIKE SOME NAZI MINION

Ah, now the cat's out of the bag. Keene claims that like some Nazi
minion, I have blindly followed orders from an evil Führer, like a
ringwraith I am slave to a Dark Lord. Talk about (to use Keene's own
words) an "outrageous slur with no evidence at all"! -- Taylor
Kingston

For the record it was Taylor Kingston, not GM
Keene, who brought in the Nazis as in his "like some
Nazi minion, I have blindly followed orders from an
evil Fuehrer," etc. We grant the evident irony of putting
words in Keene's mouth that were never said.

Gawd, Larry, you're incorrigible. You and everyone else here know I
was referring to Keene's ridiculous claim that I criticized Keene's
book on orders from Edward Winter. The "Keene's own words" referred to
are the phrase "outrageous slur with no evidence at all," which five
seconds on Google will show he did indeed write.
Your dishonesty is getting ever more obvious and clumsy.

Mr. Kingston averred that Mr. Keene had
corrected errors from earlier editions of a work by
the latter ...

Correction: AN error. One. About NY 1927 being a "candidates"
tournament.

and then later denied having consulted those
editions. Amazing stuff from our reviewed reviewer.

"Amazing"? Just the simple truth. I did not read the 1st or 2nd
edition of "Reappraisal." Still haven't. I evaluated the 3rd by itself,
as stated plainly in my review. I knew about the NY 1927 error from
something I'd read back in the 1990s, before ever seeing the 3rd
edition.

Naturally Louis Blair will not condemn one of his
allies for doing this sort of thing.

In this case, only you seem worthy of condemnation, Larry.

g4 wrote (Wed, 3 May 2006 22:33:35 -0400):
Pick a month ... any month ... and one can easily
find hundreds (if not thousands) of mud-slinging
from sloan.
_
Larry Parr wrote (3 May 2006 19:40:39 -0700):
And how many of those posts are from the fake
Sam Sloan?
_
I wrote (3 May 2006 21:39:50 -0700):
A google search for rgcp notes referring to a
"fake Sam Sloan" produces nothing before
16 May 2005 08:36:03 -0700. However, well
before that, Larry Parr felt that it was appropriate
to acknowledge:
_
"[Sam Sloan's] name-calling is deplorable."
- Larry Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)
_
I am not sure what exactly Larry Parr was reacting to,
but here is a sample of what we had been seeing:
_
"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)
)
_
(The recent "$am $loan for USCF Executive Board"
note was also from .)

_
Larry Parr wrote (5 May 2006 06:30:39 -0700):

In one of Louie's anthology of out-of-context quotes,
he has me condemning Sam Sloan for name-calling.
But he fails to mention I was referring to the FAKE
Sam Sloan -- not the real one.

_
Larry Parr, of course, identifies nothing in the context
that indicated that he was referring to the "FAKE"
Sam Sloan. As already noted, at the time Larry Parr
made his name-calling remark, the first rgcp use of
the phrase "fake Sam Sloan" was about five months
in the future. Here is a little bit more of the Dec.
2004 quote:
_
"Sam Sloan should stick to the legal issues.
His name-calling is deplorable. Regardless
of the outcome of this lawsuit, ..." - Larry
Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)

wrote:
OUT OF CONTEXT AGAIN

"Sam Sloan should stick to the legal issues.
His name-calling is deplorable. Regardless
of the outcome of this lawsuit, ..." - Larry
Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)

Trust Louie to rip things out of context.

If memory serves, my remark on that occasion
referred to Sam Sloan identifying USCF president
Beatriz Marinello as a lesbian on these forums.

It happens to be true but has no place here, just as
Sam's sexual activity off the board has no place here.

There is quite a bit of difference. First, Beatriz has denied it being
true - what, exactly is your evidence to the contrary? Second, even if
it were true, Beatriz is not parading her sexual history on the
Internet. On the other hand, Sam does, in both clinical and tasteless
detail, both on his website and in newsgroup postings.

I think it is fair to point to that aspect of Sam's character -- not
necessarily that he engages in it (fine with me) but that he feels the
need to inform all of us about it. That is where it stops being a
private matter and starts being one open to discussion.

Randy Bauer

IF MEMORY SERVES

wrote in message oups.com...
OUT OF CONTEXT AGAIN

"Sam Sloan should stick to the legal issues.
His name-calling is deplorable. Regardless
of the outcome of this lawsuit, ..." - Larry
Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)

Trust Louie to rip things out of context.


Trust "editor" Liarry to claim out of context, yet he won't provide
the quote showing his version of context.


If memory serves, my remark on that occasion

The phrase "if memory serves" coming from Parr is an obvious
red flag. What he means is that he cannot back up his statement
with evidence, so we are to trust his memory. Yet, the word of
someone known as Liarry cannot be trusted.


referred to Sam Sloan identifying USCF president
Beatriz Marinello as a lesbian on these forums.

It happens to be true but has no place here, just as
Sam's sexual activity off the board has no place here.


"Editor" Liarry omits one very relevant fact - it's sloan who brings
us his sexual activity.

Bracketing aesthetic concerns, I have no problem with any sexual
activity any adult chooses to perform with any other consenting adult.

But Sloan chats about his self-reported sexual activities with minors,
creates Pokémon porn pages that mix kid-friendly links with xxx links,
and defends his fellow child molesters.

And Larry "Thai soldiers on leave" Parr wishes not to discuss this
evidence, wishing rather to defame others....

Tough. This is rgckf.

g4 wrote (Wed, 3 May 2006 22:33:35 -0400):
Pick a month ... any month ... and one can easily
find hundreds (if not thousands) of mud-slinging
from sloan.
_
Larry Parr wrote (3 May 2006 19:40:39 -0700):
And how many of those posts are from the fake
Sam Sloan?
_
I wrote (3 May 2006 21:39:50 -0700):
A google search for rgcp notes referring to a
"fake Sam Sloan" produces nothing before
16 May 2005 08:36:03 -0700. However, well
before that, Larry Parr felt that it was appropriate
to acknowledge:
_
"[Sam Sloan's] name-calling is deplorable."
- Larry Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)
_
I am not sure what exactly Larry Parr was reacting to,
but here is a sample of what we had been seeing:
_
"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)
)
_
(The recent "$am $loan for USCF Executive Board"
note was also from .)
_
Larry Parr wrote (5 May 2006 06:30:39 -0700):
In one of Louie's anthology of out-of-context quotes,
he has me condemning Sam Sloan for name-calling.
But he fails to mention I was referring to the FAKE
Sam Sloan -- not the real one.
_
In a note that reproduced ALL of the above,
I wrote (5 May 2006 13:39:25 -0700):
Larry Parr, of course, identifies nothing in the context
that indicated that he was referring to the "FAKE"
Sam Sloan. As already noted, at the time Larry Parr
made his name-calling remark, the first rgcp use of
the phrase "fake Sam Sloan" was about five months
in the future. Here is a little bit more of the Dec.
2004 quote:
_
"Sam Sloan should stick to the legal issues.
His name-calling is deplorable. Regardless
of the outcome of this lawsuit, ..." - Larry
Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)

_
Larry Parr wrote (5 May 2006 15:47:47 -0700):

Trust Louie to rip things out of context.
_
If memory serves, my remark on that occasion
referred to Sam Sloan identifying USCF president
Beatriz Marinello as a lesbian on these forums.
_
It happens to be true but has no place here, just as
Sam's sexual activity off the board has no place here.

_
Just a little over 9 hours earlier, Larry Parr was trying
to have us believe that his "deplorable name-calling"
quote "was referring to the FAKE Sam Sloan". Now,
without apology, or indeed ANY indication that he is
changing his story, Larry Parr tells us that he was
referring to the real Sam Sloan after all "identifying
USCF president Beatriz Marinello as a lesbian on
these forums".
_
This second version of reality seems closer to the
truth, although, as I have been suggesting, there
was no clear indication of what exactly Larry Parr
was reacting to in his "deplorable name-calling"
note.
_
This week, I have posted three previous notes on
this matter, ALL mentioning that the Larry Parr
"deplorable name-calling" note was a few hours
after the "notorious lesbian" note of Sam Sloan.
Around that time, Sam Sloan was also trying to
suggest that there was a danger that Timothy
Hanke and Beatriz Marinello might run off with
USCF money.
_
"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)

g4 wrote (Wed, 3 May 2006 22:33:35 -0400):
Pick a month ... any month ... and one can easily
find hundreds (if not thousands) of mud-slinging
from sloan.
_
Larry Parr wrote (3 May 2006 19:40:39 -0700):
And how many of those posts are from the fake
Sam Sloan?
_
I wrote (3 May 2006 21:39:50 -0700):
A google search for rgcp notes referring to a
"fake Sam Sloan" produces nothing before
16 May 2005 08:36:03 -0700. However, well
before that, Larry Parr felt that it was appropriate
to acknowledge:
_
"[Sam Sloan's] name-calling is deplorable."
- Larry Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)
_
I am not sure what exactly Larry Parr was reacting to,
but here is a sample of what we had been seeing:
_
"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)
)
_
(The recent "$am $loan for USCF Executive Board"
note was also from .)
_
Larry Parr wrote (5 May 2006 06:30:39 -0700):
In one of Louie's anthology of out-of-context quotes,
he has me condemning Sam Sloan for name-calling.
But he fails to mention I was referring to the FAKE
Sam Sloan -- not the real one.
_
In a note that reproduced ALL of the above,
I wrote (5 May 2006 13:39:25 -0700):
Larry Parr, of course, identifies nothing in the context
that indicated that he was referring to the "FAKE"
Sam Sloan. As already noted, at the time Larry Parr
made his name-calling remark, the first rgcp use of
the phrase "fake Sam Sloan" was about five months
in the future. Here is a little bit more of the Dec.
2004 quote:
_
"Sam Sloan should stick to the legal issues.
His name-calling is deplorable. Regardless
of the outcome of this lawsuit, ..." - Larry
Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)

_
Larry Parr wrote (5 May 2006 15:47:47 -0700):

Trust Louie to rip things out of context.
_
If memory serves, my remark on that occasion
referred to Sam Sloan identifying USCF president
Beatriz Marinello as a lesbian on these forums.
_
It happens to be true but has no place here, just as
Sam's sexual activity off the board has no place here.

_
Just a little over 9 hours earlier, Larry Parr was trying
to have us believe that his "deplorable name-calling"
quote "was referring to the FAKE Sam Sloan". Now,
without apology, or indeed ANY indication that he is
changing his story, Larry Parr tells us that he was
referring to the real Sam Sloan after all ("identifying
USCF president Beatriz Marinello as a lesbian on
these forums").
_
This second version of reality seems closer to the
truth, although, as I have been suggesting, there
was no clear indication of what exactly Larry Parr
was reacting to in his "deplorable name-calling"
note.
_
This week, I have posted three previous notes on
this matter, ALL mentioning that the Larry Parr
"deplorable name-calling" note was a few hours
after the "notorious lesbian" note of Sam Sloan.
Around that time, Sam Sloan was also trying to
suggest that there was a danger that Timothy
Hanke and Beatriz Marinello might run off with
USCF money.
_
"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)

g4 wrote (Wed, 3 May 2006 22:33:35 -0400):
Pick a month ... any month ... and one can easily
find hundreds (if not thousands) of mud-slinging
from sloan.
_
Larry Parr wrote (3 May 2006 19:40:39 -0700):
And how many of those posts are from the fake
Sam Sloan?
_
I wrote (3 May 2006 21:39:50 -0700):
A google search for rgcp notes referring to a
"fake Sam Sloan" produces nothing before
16 May 2005 08:36:03 -0700. However, well
before that, Larry Parr felt that it was appropriate
to acknowledge:
_
"[Sam Sloan's] name-calling is deplorable."
- Larry Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)
_
I am not sure what exactly Larry Parr was reacting to,
but here is a sample of what we had been seeing:
_
"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)
)
_
(The recent "$am $loan for USCF Executive Board"
note was also from .)
_
Larry Parr wrote (5 May 2006 06:30:39 -0700):
In one of Louie's anthology of out-of-context quotes,
he has me condemning Sam Sloan for name-calling.
But he fails to mention I was referring to the FAKE
Sam Sloan -- not the real one.
_
In a note that reproduced ALL of the above,
I wrote (5 May 2006 13:39:25 -0700):
Larry Parr, of course, identifies nothing in the context
that indicated that he was referring to the "FAKE"
Sam Sloan. As already noted, at the time Larry Parr
made his name-calling remark, the first rgcp use of
the phrase "fake Sam Sloan" was about five months
in the future. Here is a little bit more of the Dec.
2004 quote:
_
"Sam Sloan should stick to the legal issues.
His name-calling is deplorable. Regardless
of the outcome of this lawsuit, ..." - Larry
Parr (10 Dec 2004 15:48:46 GMT)

_
Larry Parr wrote (5 May 2006 15:47:47 -0700):

OUT OF CONTEXT AGAIN
...
Trust Louie to rip things out of context.
_
If memory serves, my remark on that occasion
referred to Sam Sloan identifying USCF president
Beatriz Marinello as a lesbian on these forums.
_
It happens to be true but has no place here, just as
Sam's sexual activity off the board has no place here.

_
Just a little over 9 hours earlier, Larry Parr was trying
to have us believe that his "deplorable name-calling"
quote "was referring to the FAKE Sam Sloan". Now,
without apology, or indeed any indication that he is
changing his story, Larry Parr tells us that he was
referring to the real Sam Sloan after all ("identifying
USCF president Beatriz Marinello as a lesbian on
these forums").
_
This second version of reality seems closer to the
truth, although, as I have been suggesting, there
was no clear indication of what exactly Larry Parr
was reacting to in his "deplorable name-calling"
note.
_
This week, I have posted three previous notes on
this matter, ALL mentioning that the Larry Parr
"deplorable name-calling" note was a few hours
after the "notorious lesbian" note of Sam Sloan.
Around that time, Sam Sloan was also trying to
suggest that there was a danger that Timothy
Hanke and Beatriz Marinello might run off with
USCF money.
_
"Tim Hanke was fired from his job just a
few weeks ago and now says that he
want to become Editor of Chess Life.
Beatriz Marinello is a notorious lesbian
who lives with a woman and has no
regular or known source of income and
no verifiable job. It seems strange that
two people of such questionable
backgrounds would be entrusted with
such a large amount of money." - Sam
Sloan (Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:23:53 GMT)