Rob wrote:
I just want people to look at the words they write and look
into their hearts before they hit "send".

An admirable stance, Rob. Yet your ongoing support for Innes here
rather cuts the moral high ground out from under your feet. Phil
habitually makes foul accusations, e.g. book-banning, blacklisting,
commie-sympathizing, online harassment, to name only a few. These are
smears with no basis in fact, but Phil makes them repeatedly, never
producing any evidence, never apologizing, sometimes even threatening
physical violence.

Everyone should have a right
to freely and honestly express themselves without being subjected to
continued personal attacks and reprisals.

But to complain about "personal attacks" while supporting Innes is
like bemoaning lung cancer while passing out free cigarettes.

"Larry Tapper" wrote in message
oups.com...
Give us a couple of specific examples of what you consider to be
"fascist behavior" and then we'll have some idea of what you're talking
about, perhaps.


A very logical and sensible question. However, whenever a person from the
parr camp is asked to provide evidence / examples to back up their accusations,
they tend to either shut up or disappear from the thread.

Rob wrote (21 Sep 2006 08:51:49 -0700):

7 ... The incessant name calling does nothing to
7 promote,advance or elevate chess in any way. ...

_
"... Take your own advice, and killfile me, or shut
your stupid, idiotic, mean, demeaning, and indeed,
very cowardly mouth." - Phil Innes (Sat, 16 Sep 2006
22:09:06 GMT)

Rob wrote (21 Sep 2006 08:51:49 -0700):

7 ... The incessant name calling does nothing to
7 promote,advance or elevate chess in any way. ...

_
"... Take your own advice, and killfile me, or shut
your stupid, idiotic, mean, demeaning, and indeed,
very cowardly mouth." - Phil Innes (to helpbot)
(Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:09:06 GMT)

g4 wrote:

Rob wrote:
I call for the Chess Fachists to simply begin their own group and leave
the rest of us to think and breath free, unimcumbered under the iron fists
of their ridicule and persicutions for our opinions and ideas.

Hey Robtroll:

Do you really want the chess fascists, represented by the two liarries, parr
and evans, to leave this forum? Those are the persons who brook no dissent
from their point of view. Why, to someone like liarry parr, a disagreement
within his clique is chewing meat 30 times rather than 32. As for us
"ratpackers", you must have noticed how parr highlights our "debating" an
issue amongst ourselves or failing to tow the line on the Innes pledge. That's good.
We "ratpackers" are not of one mind ... not all cut from the same cloth. We can
have varying opinions without resorting to name calling.

And as for you calling on people who seem to disagree with you to leave
thgis newsgroup, YOU Robtroll have become the very thing you so
despise.

I dare say they know who they are and should they go unnamed? One is
the initiator of the "Pledge" against Mr. Inness.

Oh look at this - Robtroll pretends to support Innes, yet cannot even
spell his name correctly! A whole 5 letters ... wow, that must be tough!

------------------

TOWING THE LINE

Welcome aboard, g4! Now that you are aboard ship, could
you please cast off and ready the "tow line"? Thanks. You
and me are going fishing, and with your tow line and my cow,
we are gonna catch us the biggest great white shark ever!

They said I was wrong. They said you couldn't go "cow towing"
for shark, but had to stay home and do something they called
"kowtowing", but they will have to eat their words when get back
with our huge catch! Great whites, marlin, barracuda -- you
name it; none of them can resist a fresh cow, towed a few
hundred yards aft of the stern on a strong "tow line"! Meet me
at the wharf (the broken down one, so there is no launching
fee). My boat is the eight foot wooden skiff, with oars and
some old fishing tackle. I hope we don't get caught in one
of those hurry canes.

-- fish bot

g4 wrote:

No AMENDE HONORABLE in sight

wrote in message oups.com...

We await his explanation about how he uttered no

We still await liarry parr's apology and recanting of his false statements
regarding Louis Blair, Larry Tapper, and the Innes pledge.

But in a way I'm delighted that parr has not ... because by failing to make
good, he (and jr) continually demonstate to us what a dishornorable
bunch the two liarries are. His (their) refusal to admit their wrongdoings
bring down their character a whole lot better than any of his detractors can
ever hope to accomplish.

falsehoods or attempted to mislead when he praised
himself -- for Pete's sake! -- under the names of
Paulie Graf and Xylothist.

Does liarry parr have any comment about liarry evans, in the
guise as jr, praising himself?


IN PRAISE OF SELF

It would be nice if Mr. Parr could at least provide ONE
example where Paulie Graf (= polygraph) or Xylothist
made a single comment which truly "praised" Taylor
Kingston, since we are subjected to this nonsense,
over and over and over again. I suppose it is against
Mr. Parr's principles to lend substance to any of his
ad hom. attacks, however. Note the sharp contrast in
the way, say, Louis Blair would handle this sort of thing.
Were the Nutty Professor to make such an idiotic claim
as Parr has done, he would invariably provide substan-
tiating quotations -- probably several, perhaps a dozen
or more. This is why Mr. Parr is so often dismissed; his
frequent attacks consist primarily in empty rhetoric,
backed up by expansive clouds of ...hot air.



Is this continual ranting about Kingston another of parr's distractions
from what is truly important to this newsgroup?


WAR IS HELL

I don't think so. It's just a small part of the War On
Critics (of Larry Evans or Mr. Parr himself). The War
Department -- excuse me, I mean the Department of
Defense -- has ordered Larry Parr to continually bombard
us with pro-war propaganda, targeted at any and all
critics of GM Evans or his ratpackers. For this purpose,
a "critic" is anyone who has ever differed on any issue
with any of the Evans ratpack -- so this is no Grenada
skirmish, but a full scale war! Generally speaking, the
war is expected to last until the main instigators (Evans,
Parr, Innes) themselves die in battle (or more likely,
from natural causes, one by one). The good news is
that, during times of war, unemployment tends to fall
dramatically and productivity soars (even if all that is
produced are senseless weapons of destruction).


-- help bot

Mr. Kingston! recently you said i wrote all sorts of lies, and so i
challenged you to a match - in court - you then retracted each one and
retreated into vaguery, but i see you are back at it

why should /you/ write of truth and lies? YOU even covered up the KNOWN
official anti-semiticism of your interviewee, neglecting to mention that he
had oppressed refuseniks and others! no questions at all about his
'government service', material you SPECIFICALLY wrote me about - but even
after being given 2 references in 2002 to sustain this view, before gulko's
own mss was circulated stating 'who did it', or taimanov's record of
released kgb archives about his own oppression, but also without keene's
available writing, that makes 5 references, 4 of them GMs

but your have written of such things in a disparaging way - without respect
for what others know, and when you learned of them, without respect for what
you then knew

as replies to all these messages you become vague - then return with even
more nonsense about other people who write on these subjects, utterly
without connection to any facts at all - you are no longer bothered with
them, why pretend it?

not incidentally, fascism is the insistence of one point of view to the
extent of suppressing other points of view - those who can stand several
perspectives take in these 4 or 5 points of view such as I wrote of above.
when Taylor Kingston is not making abstract smears he ignores the fact of
his own behavior which I illustrate above, and describes what I write here
as fascist propaganda

Phil Innes


"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
ups.com...
Rob wrote:
I call for the Chess Fachists to simply begin their own group and leave
the rest of us to think and breath free, unimcumbered under the iron
fists
of their ridicule and persicutions for our opinions and ideas.

Rob, one of the distinguishing characteristics of fascism is that
under it, the publication of factual truth is suppressed in favor of
propaganda. Lies, half-truths, fabrications and slanders that serve the
interest of the ruling party are advanced at the expense of the
public's right to factual information.
Another typical fascist ploy is that normal definitions are stood on
their heads, e.g. "War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is
strength" (Orwell). The way you use such terms as "free," "persicution"
[sic] and "iron fist" above indicates you may unwittingly be falling
into that manner of speech, something I'm sure you will want to avoid.


I dare say they know who they are and should they go unnamed? One is
the initiator of the "Pledge" against Mr. Inness.

Seriously, Rob, ask yourself: who here acts more like a fascist-style
propaganda ministry: Innes, Parr, Sloan et al, or those who try here to
counter their habitual falsehoods?

Chess One wrote:
Mr. Kingston! recently you said i wrote all sorts of lies, and so i
challenged you to a match - in court - you then retracted each one and
retreated into vaguery ...

Our Phil, after a brief and unsuccessful dabbling with the invention
of ficticious languages, returns to his usual pastime, the invention of
fictitious events.

Taylor Kingston wrote:
Chess One wrote:
Mr. Kingston! recently you said i wrote all sorts of lies, and so i
challenged you to a match - in court - you then retracted each one and
retreated into vaguery ...

Our Phil, after a brief and unsuccessful dabbling with the invention
of ficticious languages, returns to his usual pastime, the invention of
fictitious events.


This entire conversation began
with me asking a question of Neil. It was, will he retract his
statements calling Chessville, "Chess-vile" now that he has been
published in it? He then proceeded to drag red herrings into the
conversations and attempted to provoke me into a personal confrontation
in an attempt to dodge the question and suppress the conversation.

Rob

Too much ego here and too little chess.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Rob wrote:
Taylor Kingston wrote:
Chess One wrote:
Mr. Kingston! recently you said i wrote all sorts of lies, and so i
challenged you to a match - in court - you then retracted each one and
retreated into vaguery ...

Our Phil, after a brief and unsuccessful dabbling with the invention
of ficticious languages, returns to his usual pastime, the invention of
fictitious events.


This entire conversation began
with me asking a question of Neil. It was, will he retract his
statements calling Chessville, "Chess-vile" now that he has been
published in it? He then proceeded to drag red herrings into the
conversations and attempted to provoke me into a personal confrontation
in an attempt to dodge the question and suppress the conversation.

Rob