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Old October 8th 06, 01:57 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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Would anyone (particulary the alleged cc'd parties) care to comment on
the authenticity (or lack thereof) of the following BINFO, which I
understand was deleted soon after it was posted?

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BINFO 200603590
Date 2006-09-25
From samsloan

Status Standard Release
Release Date 2006-10-03
Subject Resolution of the Executive Board

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To: Chessoffice@xxxxxxx
Subject: Resolution of the Executive Board
From: Sam Sloan samsloan@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:47:41 -0400
Cc: Joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Beatchess@xxxxxxx, Rtannerae@xxxxxxx,
randallhough@xxxxxxxxx, samsloan@xxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx,
bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx, Chessdon@xxxxxxx, pknight@xxxxxxxxxxx,
queencapa@xxxxxxx , USCF BINFO System, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx
Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System
In-reply-to: 3.0.6.32.20060925110012.01f13280@xxxxxxxxxxxx

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At 11:00 AM 9/25/2006 -0400, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx wrote:I move in open
session that the Board approve the following resolutionwritten by our
attorney, Mike Matsler. I vote yes.
Bill GoichbergI am deeply discouraged and disappointed that Bill, acting like a bull in a china shop, has brought this into the public forum by making a public motion and posting it to USCF BINFO System, as a result of which this

matter will disseminated and the entire world will know about it in due
course.The fact is that my relationship with Zsuzsa Polgar (who now
calls herself Susan) was not entirely Platonic. I have been discrete
and have not
revealed to anyone other than a few close friends the true nature of
our prior relationship, until now. Now, Bill's public motion
effectively forces me to reveal what really happened those many years
ago. This will do no good either to me, Zsuzsa,
Bill or the USCF, but it appears that now I will have no real choice
but to tell the whole story. Sam Sloan

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Old October 8th 06, 05:13 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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Kindly omit minors from your faux-Sloan comedy routine, yutz.

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Old October 9th 06, 01:29 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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Crossposted from the uschess.org forum. It would be nice for USCF to
distance itself from Sloan's racism as well....

But this is progress.

Has the Board actually passed a resolution, and if so, which one?




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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject:

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___"... Up to this point, other than one EB member agreeing that we
___should express our standards for Ethics and Decency, I have yet to
___hear from any of the others with regard to their opinions on
standards
___of Ethics and Decency." - Mark Nibbelin (Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:09 pm)

I am not sure if this is what Mark Nibbelin has in mind, but there has
been
some recent discussions in the BINFO somewhat along these lines.

___" RESOLUTION OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF
___ THE UNITED STATES CHESS FEDERATION
___.
___WHEREAS, the Executive Board of the United States of America Chess
___Federation ("US Chess Federation") recognizes its obligation to
further
___the mission and goals of the US Chess Federation in all areas in
which
___it is active, including the fields of education and scholastic
chess;
___promoting tournaments and competitions; and expanding public
___awareness of the world of chess; and reconfirms its commitment to
___the policies and standards set forth in the US Chess Federation By
___Laws, Code of Ethics, and Standards of Conduct for the Executive
___Board; and disapproves of conduct which is inimical to the said
___policies and standards or to the organization; its financial and
legal
___affairs, or otherwise harmful or damaging to the good reputation of
___the US Chess Federation; and
___.
___WHEREAS, it has come to the attention of the Executive Board that an

___Executive Board Member has posted on the Member's personal web
___site one or more photographs of a prominent member of the US
___Chess Federation, contrary to the wishes of said member, which has
___resulted in threats of legal action against US Chess Federation and
___has otherwise damaged or risks damaging the relationship between
___US Chess Federation and such member; and has otherwise publicly
___disseminated on the Board Member's web site photographs and/or
___statements which many members of the US Chess Federation,
___supporters of the US Chess Federation including schools and other
___educational institutions, and members of the chess playing public
___generally find objectionable and which, in the opinion of the
Executive
___Board, risk damaging the reputation of the US Chess Federation as
___well as its business and financial health;
___.
___NOW, THEREFORE, it is
___.
___RESOLVED, that Executive Board Members shall at all times act in a
___manner consistent with the US Chess Federation By-Laws, Code of
___Ethics, and Standards of Conduct and shall not, whether in their
___official capacity as an Executive Board Member, delegate, general
___member of the US Chess Federation, or in their personal capacity,
___engage in any conduct which is inimical to the mission, reputation,
or
___business of the US Chess Federation; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that the Executive Board deems it to be a violation of the

___Code of Ethics and the Standards of Conduct for any Executive Board
___Member to disseminate or publish, whether on the member's personal
___web site or otherwise, material that demeans women or children;
___confidential US Chess Federation information, trade secrets or
___proprietary data; or photographs of US Chess Federation members or
___supporters who have notified the Executive Board Member that they
___do not consent to have their photographs published or posted or that

___they revoke any prior permission or authorization; and it is further

___.
___RESOLVED, that no Executive Board Member, in the conduct of the
___members' personal life, business, or affairs, shall represent,
whether
___expressly or impliedly, to any person or third party that the Member
is
___acting in the Member's official capacity as an Executive Board
Member
___of the US Chess Federation or is otherwise acting under the
authority
___or approval of the US Chess Federation; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that any conduct by any Executive Board Member
___contrary to the within resolution including without limitation the
posting
___of unauthorized photographs or other material damaging to US Chess
___Federation on the members' personal web site is disavowed by the US
___Chess Federation as contrary to its policies and standards, and in
such
___cases, the Executive Board may, in its discretion, advise the Board
___Member in question to comply with the standards and policies of the
___US Chess Federation, in default of which charges of misconduct may
___be referred to the Ethics Committee, or the Board of Delegates for
___further action consistent with the standards, policies, and By-Laws
of
___the US Chess Federation; provided, however, that the Executive
___Board shall have no obligation to take any affirmative steps to
___monitor or review Executive Board Members' activities that are
outside
___the scope of the Executive Board Members' duties; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that the official web site of the US Chess Federation
shall
___set forth the following disclaimer: "This is the sole and official
web site
___of the United States of America Chess Federation. No other web site
is
___authorized to represent itself or otherwise hold itself out, whether

___expressly or impliedly, as being an authorized United States of
___America Chess Federation web site or otherwise as being approved or
___affiliated with the United States of America Chess Federation. The
___United States of America Chess Federation disclaims any
___responsibility or liability for any statements or materials on any
web
___site other than the official United States of America Chess
Federation
___web site."

___"I vote yes." - Bill Goichberg (Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:50:30 EDT)

___"I vote yes" - Robert Tanner (Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:53:57 EDT)

Randall Hough and Joel Channing voted in favor of a very slightly
different
version of the above. Perhaps they have already voted yes on the above
version.

A version with more changes has also been advocated.

___"WHEREAS, the Executive Board of the United States of America
___Chess Federation ("US Chess Federation") recognizes its obligation
to
___further the mission and goals of the US Chess Federation in all
areas
___in which it is active, including the fields of education and
scholastic
___chess; promoting tournaments and competitions; and expanding
___public awareness of the world of chess; and reconfirms its
___commitment to the policies and standards set forth in the US Chess
___Federation By-Laws, Code of Ethics, and Standards of Conduct for the

___Executive Board; and disapproves of conduct which is inimical to the

___said policies and standards or to the organization; its financial
and
___legal affairs, or otherwise harmful or damaging to the good
reputation
___of the US Chess Federation; and
___
___RESOLVED, that the official web site of the US Chess Federation
shall
___set forth the following disclaimer: "This is the sole and official
web site
___of the United States of America Chess Federation. No other web site
___is authorized to represent itself or otherwise hold itself out,
whether
___expressly or impliedly, as being an authorized United States of
___America Chess Federation web site or otherwise as being approved or
___affiliated with the United States of America Chess Federation. The
___United States of America Chess Federation disclaims any
responsibility
___or liability for any statements or materials on any web site other
than
___the official United States of America Chess Federation web site;"
and
___it is further
___
___RESOLVED, that Executive Board Members who have their own web
___sites are requested to set forth thereon the following disclaimer:
___"Materials on this web site are put there by (Board Member's Name)

___and in no way should they be interpreted as representing or coming
___from the USCF."

___"I vote yes." - Beatriz Marinello (Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:13:02 -0400)

___"I vote yes" - Don Schultz (Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:18:40 EDT)

I have not seen a vote of Sam Sloan.

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It would be nice if the members of the EB had made a proactive
statement. Instead they waited and are now having to react to the
negative image we're getting from one of their members. Better late
than never, I suppose.

The bottom line is that unless we're willing to "go all the way",
there's no incentive for him to stop. Any negative attention he gets is
STILL ATTENTION. More controversy, more hits for his web site, more mud
he can sling in the next election...

This resolution DOES give the EB's opinion on the applicability of the
code of ethics to situations outside of tournaments. Will this opinion
have any effect on how the Ethics Committee considers such charges?
It's not part of our bylaws or the Delegates Actions of Continuing
Interest, so it's not completely clear. The bylaws do say that EB has
the right to assign certain duties and make certain decisions, but they
also say that the EB doesn't have the right to make a decision in
conflict with a decision of the delegates. So, is this "interpretation"
within the scope of the EB's authority (and so could be used to
instruct the Ethics Committee) or is it simply a "gesture"?
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lblair wrote:
___"... Up to this point, other than one EB member agreeing that we
___should express our standards for Ethics and Decency, I have yet to
___hear from any of the others with regard to their opinions on
standards
___of Ethics and Decency." - Mark Nibbelin (Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:09 pm)

I am not sure if this is what Mark Nibbelin has in mind, but there has
been
some recent discussions in the BINFO somewhat along these lines.

___" RESOLUTION OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF
___ THE UNITED STATES CHESS FEDERATION
___.
___WHEREAS, the Executive Board of the United States of America Chess
___Federation ("US Chess Federation") recognizes its obligation to
further
___the mission and goals of the US Chess Federation in all areas in
which
___it is active, including the fields of education and scholastic
chess;
___promoting tournaments and competitions; and expanding public
___awareness of the world of chess; and reconfirms its commitment to
___the policies and standards set forth in the US Chess Federation By
___Laws, Code of Ethics, and Standards of Conduct for the Executive
___Board; and disapproves of conduct which is inimical to the said
___policies and standards or to the organization; its financial and
legal
___affairs, or otherwise harmful or damaging to the good reputation of
___the US Chess Federation; and
___.
___WHEREAS, it has come to the attention of the Executive Board that an

___Executive Board Member has posted on the Member's personal web
___site one or more photographs of a prominent member of the US
___Chess Federation, contrary to the wishes of said member, which has
___resulted in threats of legal action against US Chess Federation and
___has otherwise damaged or risks damaging the relationship between
___US Chess Federation and such member; and has otherwise publicly
___disseminated on the Board Member's web site photographs and/or
___statements which many members of the US Chess Federation,
___supporters of the US Chess Federation including schools and other
___educational institutions, and members of the chess playing public
___generally find objectionable and which, in the opinion of the
Executive
___Board, risk damaging the reputation of the US Chess Federation as
___well as its business and financial health;
___.
___NOW, THEREFORE, it is
___.
___RESOLVED, that Executive Board Members shall at all times act in a
___manner consistent with the US Chess Federation By-Laws, Code of
___Ethics, and Standards of Conduct and shall not, whether in their
___official capacity as an Executive Board Member, delegate, general
___member of the US Chess Federation, or in their personal capacity,
___engage in any conduct which is inimical to the mission, reputation,
or
___business of the US Chess Federation; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that the Executive Board deems it to be a violation of the

___Code of Ethics and the Standards of Conduct for any Executive Board
___Member to disseminate or publish, whether on the member's personal
___web site or otherwise, material that demeans women or children;
___confidential US Chess Federation information, trade secrets or
___proprietary data; or photographs of US Chess Federation members or
___supporters who have notified the Executive Board Member that they
___do not consent to have their photographs published or posted or that

___they revoke any prior permission or authorization; and it is further

___.
___RESOLVED, that no Executive Board Member, in the conduct of the
___members' personal life, business, or affairs, shall represent,
whether
___expressly or impliedly, to any person or third party that the Member
is
___acting in the Member's official capacity as an Executive Board
Member
___of the US Chess Federation or is otherwise acting under the
authority
___or approval of the US Chess Federation; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that any conduct by any Executive Board Member
___contrary to the within resolution including without limitation the
posting
___of unauthorized photographs or other material damaging to US Chess
___Federation on the members' personal web site is disavowed by the US
___Chess Federation as contrary to its policies and standards, and in
such
___cases, the Executive Board may, in its discretion, advise the Board
___Member in question to comply with the standards and policies of the
___US Chess Federation, in default of which charges of misconduct may
___be referred to the Ethics Committee, or the Board of Delegates for
___further action consistent with the standards, policies, and By-Laws
of
___the US Chess Federation; provided, however, that the Executive
___Board shall have no obligation to take any affirmative steps to
___monitor or review Executive Board Members' activities that are
outside
___the scope of the Executive Board Members' duties; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that the official web site of the US Chess Federation
shall
___set forth the following disclaimer: "This is the sole and official
web site
___of the United States of America Chess Federation. No other web site
is
___authorized to represent itself or otherwise hold itself out, whether

___expressly or impliedly, as being an authorized United States of
___America Chess Federation web site or otherwise as being approved or
___affiliated with the United States of America Chess Federation. The
___United States of America Chess Federation disclaims any
___responsibility or liability for any statements or materials on any
web
___site other than the official United States of America Chess
Federation
___web site."

___"I vote yes." - Bill Goichberg (Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:50:30 EDT)

___"I vote yes" - Robert Tanner (Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:53:57 EDT)

Randall Hough and Joel Channing voted in favor of a very slightly
different
version of the above. Perhaps they have already voted yes on the above
version.

A version with more changes has also been advocated.

___"WHEREAS, the Executive Board of the United States of America
___Chess Federation ("US Chess Federation") recognizes its obligation
to
___further the mission and goals of the US Chess Federation in all
areas
___in which it is active, including the fields of education and
scholastic
___chess; promoting tournaments and competitions; and expanding
___public awareness of the world of chess; and reconfirms its
___commitment to the policies and standards set forth in the US Chess
___Federation By-Laws, Code of Ethics, and Standards of Conduct for the

___Executive Board; and disapproves of conduct which is inimical to the

___said policies and standards or to the organization; its financial
and
___legal affairs, or otherwise harmful or damaging to the good
reputation
___of the US Chess Federation; and
___
___RESOLVED, that the official web site of the US Chess Federation
shall
___set forth the following disclaimer: "This is the sole and official
web site
___of the United States of America Chess Federation. No other web site
___is authorized to represent itself or otherwise hold itself out,
whether
___expressly or impliedly, as being an authorized United States of
___America Chess Federation web site or otherwise as being approved or
___affiliated with the United States of America Chess Federation. The
___United States of America Chess Federation disclaims any
responsibility
___or liability for any statements or materials on any web site other
than
___the official United States of America Chess Federation web site;"
and
___it is further
___
___RESOLVED, that Executive Board Members who have their own web
___sites are requested to set forth thereon the following disclaimer:
___"Materials on this web site are put there by (Board Member's Name)

___and in no way should they be interpreted as representing or coming
___from the USCF."

___"I vote yes." - Beatriz Marinello (Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:13:02 -0400)

___"I vote yes" - Don Schultz (Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:18:40 EDT)

I have not seen a vote of Sam Sloan.


Based on what you have posted from the BINFO, I am getting a better
idea of the sense of Ethics and Decency shared by a majority of the EB.
I hope it is understood that the purpose of my earlier post was not to
attack the EB, staff of USCF, or scholastic committee, but it was a
plea for them to make public what I believed most in leadership of the
USCF believe and for the organization to distance itself from the
actions and beliefs of one.
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Old October 10th 06, 06:12 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Louis Blair
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wrote (8 Oct 2006 16:29:59 -0700):

7 ... Has the Board actually passed a resolution, and if so, which
7 one? ...

_
I believe that the first and longer resolution has been passed.

___"The motion to approve the Matsler resolution has passed with
___Channing, Goichberg, Hough and Tanner in favor.
___
___The motion by Don Schultz to replace the above motion with a
___substitute obtained two votes, Schultz and Marinello.
___
___Sloan apparently obstained on both motions." - Bill Goichberg
___(Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:22:12 EDT)


___RESOLUTION OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF
___THE UNITED STATES CHESS FEDERATION
___.
___WHEREAS, the Executive Board of the United States of America
___Chess Federation ("US Chess Federation") recognizes its
___obligation to further the mission and goals of the US Chess
___Federation in all areas in which it is active, including the fields
___of education and scholastic chess; promoting tournaments and
___competitions; and expanding public awareness of the world of
___chess; and reconfirms its commitment to the policies and
___standards set forth in the US Chess Federation By Laws, Code
___of Ethics, and Standards of Conduct for the Executive Board;
___and disapproves of conduct which is inimical to the said policies
___and standards or to the organization; its financial and legal
affairs,
___or otherwise harmful or damaging to the good reputation of the
___US Chess Federation; and
___.
___WHEREAS, it has come to the attention of the Executive Board
___that an Executive Board Member has posted on the Member's
___personal web site one or more photographs of a prominent
___member of the US Chess Federation, contrary to the wishes of
___said member, which has resulted in threats of legal action
___against US Chess Federation and has otherwise damaged or
___risks damaging the relationship between US Chess Federation
___and such member; and has otherwise publicly disseminated on
___the Board Member's web site photographs and/or statements
___which many members of the US Chess Federation, supporters
___of the US Chess Federation including schools and other
___educational institutions, and members of the chess playing
___public generally find objectionable and which, in the opinion of
___the Executive Board, risk damaging the reputation of the US
___Chess Federation as well as its business and financial health;
___.
___NOW, THEREFORE, it is
___.
___RESOLVED, that Executive Board Members shall at all times
___act in a manner consistent with the US Chess Federation
___By-Laws, Code of Ethics, and Standards of Conduct and shall
___not, whether in their official capacity as an Executive Board
___Member, delegate, general member of the US Chess
___Federation, or in their personal capacity, engage in any
___conduct which is inimical to the mission, reputation, or
___business of the US Chess Federation; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that the Executive Board deems it to be a
___violation of the Code of Ethics and the Standards of Conduct
___for any Executive Board Member to disseminate or publish,
___whether on the member's personal web site or otherwise,
___material that demeans women or children; confidential US
___Chess Federation information, trade secrets or proprietary
___data; or photographs of US Chess Federation members or
___supporters who have notified the Executive Board Member
___that they do not consent to have their photographs published
___or posted or that they revoke any prior permission or
___authorization; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that no Executive Board Member, in the
___conduct of the members' personal life, business, or affairs,
___shall represent, whether expressly or impliedly, to any
___person or third party that the Member is acting in the
___Member's official capacity as an Executive Board Member
___of the US Chess Federation or is otherwise acting under
___the authority or approval of the US Chess Federation; and
___it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that any conduct by any Executive Board
___Member contrary to the within resolution including without
___limitation the posting of unauthorized photographs or other
___material damaging to US Chess Federation on the
___members' personal web site is disavowed by the US Chess
___Federation as contrary to its policies and standards, and in
___such cases, the Executive Board may, in its discretion,
___advise the Board Member in question to comply with the
___standards and policies of the US Chess Federation, in
___default of which charges of misconduct may be referred to
___the Ethics Committee, or the Board of Delegates for further
___action consistent with the standards, policies, and By-Laws
___of the US Chess Federation; provided, however, that the
___Executive Board shall have no obligation to take any
___affirmative steps to monitor or review Executive Board
___Members' activities that are outside the scope of the
___Executive Board Members' duties; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that the official web site of the US Chess
___Federation shall set forth the following disclaimer: "This
___is the sole and official web site of the United States of
___America Chess Federation. No other web site is
___authorized to represent itself or otherwise hold itself out,
___whether expressly or impliedly, as being an authorized
___United States of America Chess Federation web site or
___otherwise as being approved or affiliated with the United
___States of America Chess Federation. The United States
___of America Chess Federation disclaims any responsibility
___or liability for any statements or materials on any website
___other than the official United States of America Chess
___Federation web site."

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Old October 10th 06, 09:20 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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On 10 Oct 2006 09:12:15 -0700, "Louis Blair"
wrote:


I believe that the first and longer resolution has been passed.
___RESOLVED, that the Executive Board deems it to be a
___violation of the Code of Ethics and the Standards of Conduct
___for any Executive Board Member to disseminate or publish,
___whether on the member's personal web site or otherwise,
___material that demeans women or children;


And who decides what material "demeans women and children"? Would a
scholarly paper that claimed brain differences between men and women
rendered it more likely that men, on the average, will perform better
at mathematics, be considered "demeaning"? Would a series of women
in funny hats and ridiculous clothes be considered "demeaning"? What
if a member formally complained that she *did* find this demeaning? Is
truth a sufficient defense against something someone considers
"demeaning"?

confidential US
___Chess Federation information, trade secrets or proprietary
___data; or photographs of US Chess Federation members or
___supporters who have notified the Executive Board Member
___that they do not consent to have their photographs published
___or posted or that they revoke any prior permission or
___authorization; and it is further


Does one have to request permission from someone commonly regarded as
a public figure? Can someone commonly regarded as a *public figure*
revoke such permission? Could Fischer (assuming he's still a life
member) deny the USCF permission to publish his photo on our web site?
On Sloan's web site? IMO, the Board needs to have a real lawyer jerk
their chain and jerk it hard.

___.
___RESOLVED, that no Executive Board Member, in the
___conduct of the members' personal life, business, or affairs,
___shall represent, whether expressly or impliedly, to any
___person or third party that the Member is acting in the
___Member's official capacity as an Executive Board Member
___of the US Chess Federation or is otherwise acting under
___the authority or approval of the US Chess Federation; and
___it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that any conduct by any Executive Board
___Member contrary to the within resolution including without
___limitation the posting of unauthorized photographs or other
___material damaging to US Chess Federation


And will material critical of USCF policies and actions be considered
"damaging"? Will material that say, diminishes the chances of various
USCF members to serve as FIDE satraps be considered "damaging"?

What pompous and pretentious nonsense! If the Board is determined to
write crap like this, why not use plain English?
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Old October 11th 06, 01:42 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Louis Blair
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wrote (8 Oct 2006 16:29:59 -0700):
7 ... Has the Board actually passed a resolution, and if so, which
7 one? ...
_
I wrote (10 Oct 2006 09:12:15 -0700):
7 I believe that the first and longer resolution has been passed.
7 ...

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):

7 And who decides what material "demeans women and children"?

_
If we are talking about actions taken by the board (primarily
suggesting that the ethics committee or the delagates do
something), I guess it is the board that decides.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):

7 Would a scholarly paper that claimed brain differences
7 between men and women rendered it more likely that
7 men, on the average, will perform better at mathematics,
7 be considered "demeaning"? Would a series of women
in funny hats and ridiculous clothes be considered

7 "demeaning"? What if a member formally complained
7 that she *did* find this demeaning? Is truth a sufficient
7 defense against something someone considers
7 "demeaning"?

_
I, of course, can not answer for the board on something
like this, but my impression is that they have in mind
more extreme items such as what appeared on Sam
Sloan's website.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):

7 Does one have to request permission from someone
7 commonly regarded as a public figure?

_
As I understand it, the picture or pictures was/were not
taken by Sam Sloan, and, although there has been talk
of Sam Sloan getting permission, no record of such
permission has been produced, and the picture-taker
denies giving such permission.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):

7 Can someone commonly regarded as a *public figure*
7 revoke such permission?

_
I certainly would not know, but, again, the question may
not matter if permission was never given in the first place.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):

7 Could Fischer (assuming he's still a life member) deny
7 the USCF permission to publish his photo on our web
7 site? On Sloan's web site?

_
Again, as I understand it, in order for the analogy to be
appropriate, we would have to be talking about a picture
taken by Fischer or by someone working with Fischer.
By the way, as I understand it, Fischer is not a USCF
member, having requested that he be taken off the lists
a long time ago.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):

7 IMO, the Board needs to have a real lawyer jerk their
7 chain and jerk it hard.

_
As I understand it, a lawyer WAS consulted with regard
to the writing of the resolution. A few changes were made
after the consultation, but, as far as I know, Mike Murray
has not objected to something that was introduced at that
point.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):

7 And will material critical of USCF policies and actions
7 be considered "damaging"? Will material that say,
7 diminishes the chances of various USCF members to
7 serve as FIDE satraps be considered "damaging"?

_
Again, I, of course, can not answer for the board on
something like this, but my impression is that they have
in mind more extreme items such as what appeared on
Sam Sloan's website.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):

7 What pompous and pretentious nonsense! If the
7 Board is determined to write crap like this, why not
7 use plain English?

_
What is to be expected when a lawyer is involved?
Seriously though, it was not my idea to post this here
at rec.games.chess.politics, but since it has been
done, it would probably be worthwhile to add some
context: (1) Susan Polgar and Paul Truong have
been complaining about a picture or pictures used
by Sam Sloan. (2) Various people have been
pestering the board to, in some sense, distance
itself from Sam Sloan behavior.
_
I am in no position to know, but my guess is that the
resolution is primarily intended as an expression of
some degree of agreement with those who strongly
disapprove of a board member with Sam Sloan's
behavior.

___RESOLUTION OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF
___THE UNITED STATES CHESS FEDERATION
___.
___WHEREAS, the Executive Board of the United States of America
___Chess Federation ("US Chess Federation") recognizes its
___obligation to further the mission and goals of the US Chess
___Federation in all areas in which it is active, including the fields
___of education and scholastic chess; promoting tournaments and
___competitions; and expanding public awareness of the world of
___chess; and reconfirms its commitment to the policies and
___standards set forth in the US Chess Federation By Laws, Code
___of Ethics, and Standards of Conduct for the Executive Board;
___and disapproves of conduct which is inimical to the said policies
___and standards or to the organization; its financial and legal
___affairs, or otherwise harmful or damaging to the good reputation
___of the US Chess Federation; and
___.
___WHEREAS, it has come to the attention of the Executive Board
___that an Executive Board Member has posted on the Member's
___personal web site one or more photographs of a prominent
___member of the US Chess Federation, contrary to the wishes of
___said member, which has resulted in threats of legal action
___against US Chess Federation and has otherwise damaged or
___risks damaging the relationship between US Chess Federation
___and such member; and has otherwise publicly disseminated on
___the Board Member's web site photographs and/or statements
___which many members of the US Chess Federation, supporters
___of the US Chess Federation including schools and other
___educational institutions, and members of the chess playing
___public generally find objectionable and which, in the opinion of
___the Executive Board, risk damaging the reputation of the US
___Chess Federation as well as its business and financial health;
___.
___NOW, THEREFORE, it is
___.
___RESOLVED, that Executive Board Members shall at all times
___act in a manner consistent with the US Chess Federation
___By-Laws, Code of Ethics, and Standards of Conduct and shall
___not, whether in their official capacity as an Executive Board
___Member, delegate, general member of the US Chess
___Federation, or in their personal capacity, engage in any
___conduct which is inimical to the mission, reputation, or
___business of the US Chess Federation; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that the Executive Board deems it to be a
___violation of the Code of Ethics and the Standards of Conduct
___for any Executive Board Member to disseminate or publish,
___whether on the member's personal web site or otherwise,
___material that demeans women or children; confidential US
___Chess Federation information, trade secrets or proprietary
___data; or photographs of US Chess Federation members or
___supporters who have notified the Executive Board Member
___that they do not consent to have their photographs published
___or posted or that they revoke any prior permission or
___authorization; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that no Executive Board Member, in the
___conduct of the members' personal life, business, or affairs,
___shall represent, whether expressly or impliedly, to any
___person or third party that the Member is acting in the
___Member's official capacity as an Executive Board Member
___of the US Chess Federation or is otherwise acting under
___the authority or approval of the US Chess Federation; and
___it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that any conduct by any Executive Board
___Member contrary to the within resolution including without
___limitation the posting of unauthorized photographs or other
___material damaging to US Chess Federation on the
___members' personal web site is disavowed by the US Chess
___Federation as contrary to its policies and standards, and in
___such cases, the Executive Board may, in its discretion,
___advise the Board Member in question to comply with the
___standards and policies of the US Chess Federation, in
___default of which charges of misconduct may be referred to
___the Ethics Committee, or the Board of Delegates for further
___action consistent with the standards, policies, and By-Laws
___of the US Chess Federation; provided, however, that the
___Executive Board shall have no obligation to take any
___affirmative steps to monitor or review Executive Board
___Members' activities that are outside the scope of the
___Executive Board Members' duties; and it is further
___.
___RESOLVED, that the official web site of the US Chess
___Federation shall set forth the following disclaimer: "This
___is the sole and official web site of the United States of
___America Chess Federation. No other web site is
___authorized to represent itself or otherwise hold itself out,
___whether expressly or impliedly, as being an authorized
___United States of America Chess Federation web site or
___otherwise as being approved or affiliated with the United
___States of America Chess Federation. The United States
___of America Chess Federation disclaims any responsibility
___or liability for any statements or materials on any website
___other than the official United States of America Chess
___Federation web site."

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Mike Murray wrote:
Would a series of women
in funny hats and ridiculous clothes be considered "demeaning"?


Isn't that the cover of Ms. Shahade's next book?

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On 10 Oct 2006 16:42:08 -0700, "Louis Blair"
wrote:

Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0700):


And who decides what material "demeans women and children"?


If we are talking about actions taken by the board (primarily
suggesting that the ethics committee or the delagates do
something), I guess it is the board that decides.


My point exactly.

Would a scholarly paper that claimed brain differences
between men and women rendered it more likely that
men, on the average, will perform better at mathematics,
be considered "demeaning"? Would a series of women
in funny hats and ridiculous clothes be considered
"demeaning"? What if a member formally complained
that she *did* find this demeaning? Is truth a sufficient
defense against something someone considers
"demeaning"?


I, of course, can not answer for the board on something
like this, but my impression is that they have in mind
more extreme items such as what appeared on Sam
Sloan's website.


I agree that's probably what they had in mind, but unfortunately, we
have no "chess supreme court" to divine the intention of the board. We
have to live with what is actually written. As an academic, you
surely must be familiar with the myriad abuses committed in the name
of regulations ostensibly protecting people from being offended.

Free speech is often abrasive, offensive and mistaken. Still beats
restriction.

Does one have to request permission from someone
commonly regarded as a public figure?


As I understand it, the picture or pictures was/were not
taken by Sam Sloan, and, although there has been talk
of Sam Sloan getting permission, no record of such
permission has been produced, and the picture-taker
denies giving such permission.


If the issue is one of copyright, then I have no complaint.

However, that doesn't appear to be what our Board's proclamation
addressed:

"...an Executive Board Member has posted on the Member's
personal web site one or more photographs of a prominent member of the
US Chess Federation, contrary to the wishes of said member".

This says EB Members cannot have pictures of "prominent" members on
personal web sites if the "prominent" members object. This says
nothing about copyright or proprietary photographs

What pompous and pretentious nonsense! If the
Board is determined to write crap like this, why not
use plain English?


What is to be expected when a lawyer is involved?


This stuff looks like it was written by a grade school civics teacher
pretending to be a lawyer. Oh, well...

Seriously though, it was not my idea to post this here
at rec.games.chess.politics, but since it has been
done, it would probably be worthwhile to add some
context: (1) Susan Polgar and Paul Truong have
been complaining about a picture or pictures used
by Sam Sloan. (2) Various people have been
pestering the board to, in some sense, distance
itself from Sam Sloan behavior.


I am in no position to know, but my guess is that the
resolution is primarily intended as an expression of
some degree of agreement with those who strongly
disapprove of a board member with Sam Sloan's
behavior.


Or gutless sniveling to avoid a lawsuit.
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Old October 12th 06, 02:29 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:11:28 -0700):

7 I agree [that Sam Sloan's website is] probably what they
7 had in mind, but unfortunately, we have no "chess supreme
7 court" to divine the intention of the board. We have to live
7 with what is actually written. As an academic, you surely
7 must be familiar with the myriad abuses committed in the
7 name of regulations ostensibly protecting people from being
7 offended.

_
As I understand it, this resolution does not give the executive
board any new powers. (Indeed, I wonder if it would be possible
for the board to give itself powers.) This resolution seems to
me to be primarily an expression of disapproval combined
with a reminder about powers that already existed - the ability
to make suggestions for action by the ethics committee and
the delegates. As I understand it, in the case of a board
member, the ethics committee itself can not do much more
than express disapproval in some formal way. The delegates
can initiate a recall process, but there would still be the need
to conduct an actual vote by USCF members before anything
could happen. In short, it seems to me that the rules place
considerable obstacles in the way of anyone who would seek
to abuse someone on inappropriate grounds.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:11:28 -0700):

7 Free speech is often abrasive, offensive and mistaken.
7 Still beats restriction.

_
I do not see this as a free speech issue. Sam Sloan can say
almost whatever he wants. However, as I understand it, one
does not have a constitutional right to be on the USCF board
and say whatever one wants. People are commonly voted out
of office because of what they say. That is not a violation of
free speech. It is part of democracy.

_
I wrote (10 Oct 2006 16:42:08 -0700):
7 As I understand it, the picture or pictures was/were not
7 taken by Sam Sloan, and, although there has been talk
7 of Sam Sloan getting permission, no record of such
7 permission has been produced, and the picture-taker
7 denies giving such permission.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:11:28 -0700):

7 If the issue is one of copyright, then I have no complaint.
7
7 However, that doesn't appear to be what our Board's
7 proclamation addressed:
7
7 "...an Executive Board Member has posted on the Member's
7 personal web site one or more photographs of a prominent
7 member of the US Chess Federation, contrary to the wishes
7 of said member".
7
7 This says EB Members cannot have pictures of "prominent"
7 members on personal web sites if the "prominent" members
7 object. This says nothing about copyright or proprietary
7 photographs

_
Mike Murray is not quoting a general rule. He is quoting
a reference to a specific situation. It is quite true that a
complete discription of the situation is not included, but
I think the resolution was intended for those who would
not need such a complete description.

_
I wrote (10 Oct 2006 16:42:08 -0700):
7 ... it was not my idea to post this here at
7 rec.games.chess.politics, but since it has been done,
7 it would probably be worthwhile to add some context:
7 (1) Susan Polgar and Paul Truong have been
7 complaining about a picture or pictures used by Sam
7 Sloan. (2) Various people have been pestering the
7 board to, in some sense, distance itself from Sam
7 Sloan behavior.
7
7 I am in no position to know, but my guess is that the
7 resolution is primarily intended as an expression of
7 some degree of agreement with those who strongly
7 disapprove of a board member with Sam Sloan's
7 behavior.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:11:28 -0700):

7 Or gutless sniveling to avoid a lawsuit.

_
I do not know whether or not fears of a lawsuit were
a factor in the decision to vote for this resolution.

_
Mike Murray wrote (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:11:28 -0700):

7 This stuff looks like it was written by a grade school
7 civics teacher pretending to be a lawyer. Oh, well...

_
I've seen references to a "Mike Matsler". Perhaps he
is the relevant lawyer.

 




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