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"Mark Houlsby" wrote in message oups.com... Another lie. I require evidence in support of a scandal, is all. Two apolgies you owe me. Very sad ending to "?" 's reputation, I think. Oh, I forgot, "?"'s reputation could only improve if it ended.... LOL my-bad! Well, there are those who would disagree with that assessment of my assessment of Phil Innes' posting record: Louis Blair, Engineer, Kenneth Sloan, Chess Freak, Guy Macon, Greg Kennedy, Christopher Mattern, rexartu..., Taylor Kingston, Neil Brennen, Steve Dowd, Mike Murray, James Rynd, Matt Nemmers, David Richerby, Mark Wing, Henri H. Arsenault, vkarlamov, Wick Deer, Larry Tapper, g4, Tom Martinak, Randy Bauer, Vince Hart, Don Schultz, Bill Brock, David Kane, Joel Channing, parker.r..., sivad..., Stan Booz,... Get with the program, or go away, TROLL. What Mark Houlsby does not mention is his own need to understand anything, while he combines his 'request' with such terms as '****wit'. This may be normal where he is, but I don't think this is so very likely, do you? If Houlesby had said why he was interested in the subject, and why he could not scan the information himself, or even why he couldn't ask those who could, then this would establish something. As it is, because he can't condescend to do any of these, he argues and concludes from a position of ignorance of which he is profoundly proud - and which demands others fulfill - or else! When a question of what is a scandal is put to him, he replies with two answers; the one in the dictionary, then his own version which is at odds with the dictionary ![]() He then refuses to acknowledge that handing out awards without any accounting is at all strange to his vast experience of the world, and disregards that USCF members /do/ think its strange! which was the essence of this post. This is why Rob Mitchell is called a 'troll' - not for agreement with what I wrote, but for not pretending the forum comments do not exist - and for wanting to discuss tehm! Quite normal activities in a chess politics newsgroup. Holesby has displayed no curiosity to the content whatever, and is here to show off his command of a singular adjective which he also deploys as adverb, noun and verb. I suppose when school starts agains he will f.. f.. f.. fade away? Phil Innes Mark Houlsby Rob |
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Louis Blair wrote: Mark Houlsby wrote (30 Dec 2006 13:43:42 -0800): 7 ... What I didn't understand was why you posted them 7 in a reply to me.... _ Your note was the last one in the thread at the time. Ahh...ok. So it's entirely random, you just add evidence to whatever post is dangling. First time I've noticed the phenomenon. Clearly, I mustn't've been paying attention. Thanks for clearing that up. Mark |
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I wrote (14 Dec 2006 13:19:22 -0800):
7 ... I am seeking identification of specific examples of 7 the moderator behavior to which Phil Innes objects. I 7 am also seeking a specific identification of the supposed 7 "less-than-honest reporting about Tanner". _ Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:05:00 GMT): 7 Look at USCF's website Forum, and also their public 7 announcements ... I already wrote these references 7 and Blair cut them. ... _ Taylor Kingston wrote (15 Dec 2006 07:26:50 -0800): 7 There are many posts and announcements on USCF's 7 website. Looking there does not tell us to which *_specific_* 7 posts and/or announcements you refer. 7 ... 7 I already wrote these references ... 7 7 You did no such thing. You have never specified what 7 you are referring to. You have not said what you 7 considered "rash and offensive abuse of speech," nor 7 what you considered "less-than-honest reporting about 7 Tanner." 7 7 and Blair cut them. 7 7 Nonsense. Blair cannot cut what was never there. He 7 cannot even cut what _is_ there, because your original 7 posts are still there, exactly as you wrote them. And 7 they contain none of the information you claim they do. 7 ... _ Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:09:20 GMT): 7 ... What information? Be specific otherwise you are 7 merely Vaguer-than-thou! If you can't find this material 7 at USCF's forum, jovially known as Nolanland, then I 7 say you are not looking very hard. Lots of other people 7 found it, so you must consider that it is you, not me. ... _ I wrote (29 Dec 2006 14:29:00 -0800): 7 Who specifically knew what supposed moderator 7 misbehavior Phil Innes was referring to, before Phil Innes 7 revealed that he was referring to Herbert Vaughn (who is 7 not the moderator) as the moderator? Who, even now, 7 knows what supposedly "less-than-honest reporting about 7 Tanner" was being mentioned by Phil Innes? 7 7 About two weeks ago, I wrote: 7 7 "... I have seen an 'announcements' page 7 that contained a link for details about the 7 recent resignation. Is that where the 7 supposedly 'less-than-honest reporting 7 about Tanner' can be accessed? (The 7 'report' begins: 'On Dec. 4, 2006, USCF 7 Executive Board Secretary Robert B. 7 Tanner resigned. ...') 7 7 Would Phil Innes care to be specific about 7 which previous Phil Innes note supposedly 7 referred to 'their public announcements'? ..." 7 - Louis Blair (15 Dec 2006 10:44:37 -0800) 7 7 I still have not seen Phil Innes answer those questions. _ Snipping all but the last line above, Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 Perhaps they could therefore be made more prominent, 7 and not at the end of another thousand word message 7 in duplicate. _ If Phil Innes could find his way to the last line of my note, he is certainly capable of finding the questions that were just above it. Moreover, some of the questions were reproduced from my shorter 15 Dec 2006 10:44:37 -0800 note and still not answered by Phil Innes. _ Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 And they could also say why they are being requested 7 after being cut by the requestor! _ Phil Innes, of course, is not clear and specific about what was supposedly cut, when it was cut, and from what it was cut. _ Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 In short - who are you kidding Blair? What do you care 7 for the issue - you forgot to say. _ "... We learned [that Phil Innes was referring to Herbert Vaughn as the moderator] by seeking specifics from Phil Innes. Phil Innes may consider it to be a waste of time for us to learn such things, but I disagree. After all, Herbert Vaughn is not the moderator. ..." - Louis Blair (17 Dec 2006 13:37:28 -0800) _ "... My current interest, at the moment, is to correct the misleading Phil Innes statements." - Louis Blair (17 Dec 2006 14:58:58 -0800) _ Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 I have still not seen answers to questions put to you 7 about Morphy, which you state you do not feel obliged 7 to answer. Let your own standard be your guide, unless 7 your response is a formal plea for double standards. _ My standard is that one should be prepared to be specific about the charge and the evidence when making a public attack. Asking for such specifics does not oblige one to respond to every random question that comes along. |
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I wrote (14 Dec 2006 13:19:22 -0800):
7 ... I am seeking identification of specific examples of 7 the moderator behavior to which Phil Innes objects. I 7 am also seeking a specific identification of the supposed 7 "less-than-honest reporting about Tanner". _ Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:05:00 GMT): 7 Look at USCF's website Forum, and also their public 7 announcements ... I already wrote these references 7 and Blair cut them. ... _ Taylor Kingston wrote (15 Dec 2006 07:26:50 -0800): 7 There are many posts and announcements on USCF's 7 website. Looking there does not tell us to which *_specific_* 7 posts and/or announcements you refer. 7 ... 7 I already wrote these references ... 7 7 You did no such thing. You have never specified what 7 you are referring to. You have not said what you 7 considered "rash and offensive abuse of speech," nor 7 what you considered "less-than-honest reporting about 7 Tanner." 7 7 and Blair cut them. 7 7 Nonsense. Blair cannot cut what was never there. He 7 cannot even cut what _is_ there, because your original 7 posts are still there, exactly as you wrote them. And 7 they contain none of the information you claim they do. 7 ... _ Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:09:20 GMT): 7 ... What information? Be specific otherwise you are 7 merely Vaguer-than-thou! If you can't find this material 7 at USCF's forum, jovially known as Nolanland, then I 7 say you are not looking very hard. Lots of other people 7 found it, so you must consider that it is you, not me. ... _ I wrote (29 Dec 2006 14:29:00 -0800): 7 ... Who specifically knew what supposed moderator 7 misbehavior Phil Innes was referring to, before Phil Innes 7 revealed that he was referring to Herbert Vaughn (who is 7 not the moderator) as the moderator? Who, even now, 7 knows what supposedly "less-than-honest reporting about 7 Tanner" was being mentioned by Phil Innes? 7 7 About two weeks ago, I wrote: 7 7 "... I have seen an 'announcements' page 7 that contained a link for details about the 7 recent resignation. Is that where the 7 supposedly 'less-than-honest reporting 7 about Tanner' can be accessed? (The 7 'report' begins: 'On Dec. 4, 2006, USCF 7 Executive Board Secretary Robert B. 7 Tanner resigned. ...') 7 7 Would Phil Innes care to be specific about 7 which previous Phil Innes note supposedly 7 referred to 'their public announcements'? ..." 7 - Louis Blair (15 Dec 2006 10:44:37 -0800) 7 7 I still have not seen Phil Innes answer those questions. _ Snipping all but the last line above, Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 Perhaps they could therefore be made more prominent, 7 and not at the end of another thousand word message 7 in duplicate. _ If Phil Innes could find his way to the last line of my note, he is certainly capable of finding the questions that were just above it. Moreover, some of the questions were reproduced from my shorter 15 Dec 2006 10:44:37 -0800 note and still not answered by Phil Innes. _ Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 And they could also say why they are being requested 7 after being cut by the requestor! _ Phil Innes, of course, is not clear and specific about what was supposedly cut, when it was cut, and from what it was cut. _ Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 In short - who are you kidding Blair? What do you care 7 for the issue - you forgot to say. _ "... We learned [that Phil Innes was referring to Herbert Vaughn as the moderator] by seeking specifics from Phil Innes. Phil Innes may consider it to be a waste of time for us to learn such things, but I disagree. After all, Herbert Vaughn is not the moderator. ..." - Louis Blair (17 Dec 2006 13:37:28 -0800) _ "... My current interest, at the moment, is to correct the misleading Phil Innes statements." - Louis Blair (17 Dec 2006 14:58:58 -0800) _ Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 I have still not seen answers to questions put to you 7 about Morphy, which you state you do not feel obliged 7 to answer. Let your own standard be your guide, unless 7 your response is a formal plea for double standards. _ My standard is that one should be prepared to be specific about the charge and the evidence when making a public attack. Asking for such specifics does not oblige one to respond to every random question that comes along. |
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On 30 Dec 2006 13:58:01 -0800, "Mark Houlsby"
wrote: Once again, dimwit: it is IMPOSSIBLE to cut messages from Usenet. They stay in the Google archive. The proverbial immovable object. As I understand it, it would be more correct to say one cannot *count* on messages disappearing from Usenet, although some news servers (Google among them) will honor the originator's requests that they be deleted. Of course, even this won't remove portions of a post quoted in another post. |
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Mike Murray wrote: On 30 Dec 2006 13:58:01 -0800, "Mark Houlsby" wrote: Once again, dimwit: it is IMPOSSIBLE to cut messages from Usenet. They stay in the Google archive. The proverbial immovable object. As I understand it, it would be more correct to say one cannot *count* on messages disappearing from Usenet, although some news servers (Google among them) will honor the originator's requests that they be deleted. Of course, even this won't remove portions of a post quoted in another post. That is certainly true, Mike, and it's an important clarification. However, it's evident that the "cutting" to which Innes is referring happened to writing that was never on Google, but rather existed only in Innes' rather addled mind. Thanks for taking the trouble to post. |
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Louis Blair wrote: I wrote (14 Dec 2006 13:19:22 -0800): 7 ... I am seeking identification of specific examples of 7 the moderator behavior to which Phil Innes objects. I 7 am also seeking a specific identification of the supposed 7 "less-than-honest reporting about Tanner". _ Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:05:00 GMT): 7 Look at USCF's website Forum, and also their public 7 announcements ... I already wrote these references 7 and Blair cut them. ... _ Taylor Kingston wrote (15 Dec 2006 07:26:50 -0800): 7 There are many posts and announcements on USCF's 7 website. Looking there does not tell us to which *_specific_* 7 posts and/or announcements you refer. 7 ... 7 I already wrote these references ... 7 7 You did no such thing. You have never specified what 7 you are referring to. You have not said what you 7 considered "rash and offensive abuse of speech," nor 7 what you considered "less-than-honest reporting about 7 Tanner." 7 7 and Blair cut them. 7 7 Nonsense. Blair cannot cut what was never there. He 7 cannot even cut what _is_ there, because your original 7 posts are still there, exactly as you wrote them. And 7 they contain none of the information you claim they do. 7 ... _ Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:09:20 GMT): 7 ... What information? Be specific otherwise you are 7 merely Vaguer-than-thou! If you can't find this material 7 at USCF's forum, jovially known as Nolanland, then I 7 say you are not looking very hard. Lots of other people 7 found it, so you must consider that it is you, not me. ... _ I wrote (29 Dec 2006 14:29:00 -0800): 7 ... Who specifically knew what supposed moderator 7 misbehavior Phil Innes was referring to, before Phil Innes 7 revealed that he was referring to Herbert Vaughn (who is 7 not the moderator) as the moderator? Who, even now, 7 knows what supposedly "less-than-honest reporting about 7 Tanner" was being mentioned by Phil Innes? 7 7 About two weeks ago, I wrote: 7 7 "... I have seen an 'announcements' page 7 that contained a link for details about the 7 recent resignation. Is that where the 7 supposedly 'less-than-honest reporting 7 about Tanner' can be accessed? (The 7 'report' begins: 'On Dec. 4, 2006, USCF 7 Executive Board Secretary Robert B. 7 Tanner resigned. ...') 7 7 Would Phil Innes care to be specific about 7 which previous Phil Innes note supposedly 7 referred to 'their public announcements'? ..." 7 - Louis Blair (15 Dec 2006 10:44:37 -0800) 7 7 I still have not seen Phil Innes answer those questions. _ Snipping all but the last line above, Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 Perhaps they could therefore be made more prominent, 7 and not at the end of another thousand word message 7 in duplicate. _ If Phil Innes could find his way to the last line of my note, he is certainly capable of finding the questions that were just above it. Moreover, some of the questions were reproduced from my shorter 15 Dec 2006 10:44:37 -0800 note and still not answered by Phil Innes. It seems to me that--at least as far as Phil Innes is concerned--it is very dangerous to suggest that he is "certainly capable" of anything at all. Even breathing may cause him difficulty during episodes of apoplexy to which, evidently, he is rather prone. Just a thought. snippety-snip _ Phil Innes wrote (Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:44:58 GMT): 7 I have still not seen answers to questions put to you 7 about Morphy, which you state you do not feel obliged 7 to answer. Let your own standard be your guide, unless 7 your response is a formal plea for double standards. _ My standard is that one should be prepared to be specific about the charge and the evidence when making a public attack. Asking for such specifics does not oblige one to respond to every random question that comes along. Again, this is unlikely to penetrate our Phil's thick skull. I already explained it to him, albeit in a distinctly different style. Perhaps Paul Simon's "The Boxer" is his favourite song. ("All lies and jest to a man who hears What he wants to hear And he disregards the rest...") Best regards, Mark |
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Mark Houlsby wrote: Rob wrote: Below "?" shows how an honest poster is taken in my his two faced insincere appology. I'm sorry, was that English? Or Innespeak? Several posters have had to describe English to you as it must not be your native tongue. Google is rift with corrections on your grammar. As he said before "when I give them the benefit of the doubt they are dead meat" ( a paraphrase but accurate) Not entirely accurate. What I wrote to Neil, about you, was "...when I tell people I am giving them the benefit of the doubt, that means that basically they are dead meat.". You *almost* got the gist. I got it, you said it, now own it. The Queen of trolls wishes to take up more space online. Fine. I ferrly give him permission to hang himself. The more he wriggles the more silly he becomes. You just described yourself accurately, O recipient of the Piqued Parrot Plaque. There's only one. Oh my, her majesty got her feathers ruffled. Or is that you official "position"? "?" isn't worthy of contempt.. I simply pity him for the pain he has had to endue in his life and his personal tragedies. To endue? What does that mean? It's a typo LOL. I even have to tell you what a typo is? As Mr. "T" would say, " I pity the fool". "Mr. T" as in "B. A. Baracus"? Is this an indication of your estimation of laudable culture? No. B.A was a character he played. They are not the same. One is real and one is made up. I still pity you. Here's a handy hint: if you repost a whole lot of unnecessary prose, you waste a lot more bandwidth. The internet has withstood many years of abuse from you and not collasped on itself. I am certain quality posts from me will do it no harm, Ma'am. Here's another: When you're in a hole, stop digging. Oh please stop . Your clever lack of wit is like trying to watch a monkey make love to a basketball. |
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"Mark Houlsby" wrote in message ps.com... Phil, I abuse you for your _lack_ of diligence. You make charges without evidence. I just came across this post. Somehow Taylor Kingston can't even find the 75 messages about this subject, though he says he has looked. But this is my fault! He can't find them, he says, therefore there is no 'evidence' ![]() Phil, Louis Blair and I have been through the Korenman thread, and can find no evidence of a scandal. Blair and Houlesby affirm that Kingston lacks diligence! They found it - but instead of writing to him, they intercept my message to him and write to me. Or Houlesby does, and he is back to 'scandal' which he denies there is evidence thereof, after previously elevating scandals to wars, and not even his choice of dictionary citation. It is not a scandal according to Houlesby and Blair to award without bid tens of thousands of dollars ($50,000 then $10,000) without any performanance criteria. These two have read members' responses and do not agree with them, or choose to nominate the matter with anyother word they choose and can't bother to share with us. But it s not a scandal in their opinion, therefore... pfft, it doesn't exist! This, in fact, is not a reply to either of them, since they don't /care/ to understand anything, --not even suggesting their own term for what members said-- but they do care to condemn writing about it. Let us infer that awarding by no bid process $60,000 in 2006 without performance requirements is not worth any comment from their own rather bovine approach, and they also do not honour members comments by [after 50,000 words] bothering to characterise the issue themselves. Moooooo! Phil Innes I already wrote these references ... You did no such thing. You have never specified what you are referring to. You have not said what you considered "rash and offensive abuse of speech," nor what you considered "less-than-honest reporting about Tanner." Yes I have! No, you haven't Phil. Not only that, but when I offered to go through the references ***with you*** you refused. That offer is still open. Are you interested in defending your assertion about a scandal, or not? But maybe you can't find those either? Therefore... its not your fault, therefore the issue does not exist. How pathetic! Phil, Dr. Blair and I have been *right through* the "evidence" and can find no scandal. Where is it? and Blair cut them. Nonsense. Blair cannot cut what was never there. He cannot even cut what _is_ there, because your original posts are still there, exactly as you wrote them. And they contain none of the information you claim they do. What information? Be specific otherwise you are merely Vaguer-than-thou! Trust me, Phil, at times like this it is truly *impossible* to be Vaguer-than-Phil-Innes! If you can't find this material at USCF's forum, jovially known as Nolanland, then I say you are not looking very hard. I found it. Dr.Blair found it. We found no evidence of a scandal. Let alone a scandal for the previous week, or the following week, or.... Lots of other people found it, so you must consider that it is you, not me. Lots of people found it but found no evidence of a scandal, so *you* must consider that it is *you*, not lots of people. But I already wrote all this to you - you are lazy, and don't want to find it or read through it, or for some strange reason, can't be bothered to read it when you have found it. I have read it. Where's the beef, Phil? When you can't be bothered to look, it is not someone else's fault! Wrong again! We've already been through this! Whether its 100 best games, or Averbakh's truthfullness, especially about refuseniks, or the Oxfords gloss on them, or what Hooper wrote about Lasker, or this issue. In every case you were at fault, Phil. This is a fact. If you believe that it is not, then the onus is *upon you* to prove that it is not. This does not make it my 'claim', except that you are forced to either believe or not believe, since you admit you know nothing! He admits no such thing. You make stupid, sweeping statements like this frequently, Phil. I'd quit it if I were you, it makes you look like an imbecile. But chess history is not a religion, and belief and specualtions not really valuable except they are conscious acts of imagination where no information serves, and do not replace actual diligence to looking at what is available. "Physician, heal thyself" --Luke 4:23 Your continual whining about "cutting" and "snipping" is one of your most frequent, and most childish and inept excuses. It is so pathetically transparent that it has made you a laughingstock, Phil. I am sure you and such as Brennen would laugh at all you don't know. What is your opinion to me? So why respond to him at all? Indeed, why post at all, since the only people who pay any attention to your posts are Taylor, Neil and me, and we all think that what you post is deranged nonsense? Who benefits from your posting in the first instance? If it causes you so much grief, why not stop posting? Why should you want to switch the subject from you own ability to talk from researched knowledge, when you can just write **** about people? Give an example of Taylor's doing this. That is a serious accusation. As a pair of Vague nitwits, you guys get the prize. Being called "vague" by Phil Innes is like being called "short" by a Munchkin. And if this material exists, then being subject to abuse by Kingston is like *nothing* to do with book-banning. Once again: you *must* provide *specific* references, or stop writing. These things are not true. If they are, then you must demonstrate it, since you, Phil Innes, are the only person in the world who understands these things, evidently. Put up, or shut up. BTW: are you in favour of allowing authors the right of Reply to Just Criticism*? Even Stalin did that ![]() Phil Innes *That's a Shostakovitch reference, and he risked rather more than his pride in doing so, he risked his life. Hardly. He took the pragmatic option and kowtowed. Why do you suppose that he composed, for example, "Cheryomushki"? How much do you know about Dimity? Mark Houlsby |
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Chess One wrote: "Mark Houlsby" wrote in message ps.com... Phil, I abuse you for your _lack_ of diligence. You make charges without evidence. I just came across this post. Somehow Taylor Kingston can't even find the 75 messages about this subject, though he says he has looked. But this is my fault! He can't find them, he says, therefore there is no 'evidence' ![]() Phil, Louis Blair and I have been through the Korenman thread, and can find no evidence of a scandal. Blair and Houlesby affirm that Kingston lacks diligence! We do no such thing. They found it - but instead of writing to him, they intercept my message to him and write to me. We found jack ****, moron. It's all in your imagination. Or Houlesby does, and he is back to 'scandal' which he denies there is evidence thereof, after previously elevating scandals to wars, and not even his choice of dictionary citation. What are you raving on about now? It is not a scandal according to Houlesby and Blair to award without bid tens of thousands of dollars ($50,000 then $10,000) without any performanance criteria. Ummm... nobody else can see anything wrong with the award, Phil. If you think differently, WRITE IN THE KORENMAN THREAD AND POINT IT OUT. These two have read members' responses and do not agree with them, or choose to nominate the matter with anyother word they choose and can't bother to share with us. But it s not a scandal in their opinion, therefore... pfft, it doesn't exist! No, we have read the thread and--in stark contrast to you--actually UNDERSTAND what is written there. The problem is YOU, Phil Innes. This, in fact, is not a reply to either of them, since they don't /care/ to understand anything, --not even suggesting their own term for what members said-- but they do care to condemn writing about it. You giant ass. We have expended a great deal of time and effort /trying/ to figure out what the heck you mean. You now--finally--agree that we have read the same evidence of a "scandal" as you have. The problem is that the /only/ person who /regards/ this as a scandal, evidently, is /you/. I don't condemn anybody's writing about anything. I do condemn baseless attacks against people--like those which you have launched against Dr. Blair. The problem is YOU. Without YOU there's nothing. (Apologies to Sandra Bernhard). Let us infer that awarding by no bid process $60,000 in 2006 without performance requirements is not worth any comment from their own rather bovine approach, and they also do not honour members comments by [after 50,000 words] bothering to characterise the issue themselves. Why should we infer this? What reason is there to infer anything? The USCF accrues revenue and disburses it. If it did not do this, it should no longer be able to function. If you think there's a beef, WRITE ABOUT IT IN THE KORENMAN THREAD. It's all in your head, Phil. It's all in your head. Mark Houlsby snips inane Innesian insult |
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