Inconnux wrote:

So you'll know that what he's doing is trolling, then.

If he really bothers you, perhaps YOU should filter him out?
just some basic NG advice...

I don't have a filter. I post via Google.

Then use a common sense filter... if you see his name
don't read his posts.

Thank you. I'll consider the advice. I'm sure that it's sincere and
well-meant.

From: "Louis Blair"
Subject: Does it exist if we don't look?
Date: 2 Jan 2007 12:54:54 -0800

Phil Innes wrote (Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:38:22 GMT):

7 ... Kingston says he did go look for it and couldn't find
7 it - though other people could. He now denies there is
7 anything to address since he wants to argue with what
7 other people saw - and mysteriously, what he could not.
7 ...

_
Some stuff that actually happened:
_
_
"... I am seeking identification of specific
examples of the moderator behavior to which
Phil Innes objects. I am also seeking a
specific identification of the supposed
'less-than-honest reporting about Tanner'."
- Louis Blair (14 Dec 2006 13:19:22 -0800)
_
_
"Look at USCF's website Forum, and also
their public announcements ..." - Phil Innes
(Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:05:00 GMT)
_
_
"There are many posts and announcements
on USCF's website. Looking there does not
tell us to which *_specific_* posts and/or
announcements you refer. ..." - Taylor
Kingston (15 Dec 2006 07:26:50 -0800)
_
_
"... Somehow Taylor Kingston can't even find
the 75 messages about this subject, though
he says he has looked. But this is my fault!
..." - Phil Innes (Fri, 29 Dec 2006
19:09:20 GMT)
_
_
"Reading 'the 75 messages' would not, by
itself, have revealed that Phil Innes was
referring to Herbert Vaughn as the moderator.
After all, Herbert Vaughn is not the moderator.
_
It was on Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:34:04 GMT (AFTER
the above Taylor Kingston [quote]) that Phil Innes
identified specificHerbert Vaughn quotes, referring
to them as coming from the moderator. It was on
Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:38:14 GMT that Phil Innes
acknowledged that Herbert Vaughn was not (in the
words of Phil Innes himself) 'the real moderator'.
_
Who specifically knew what supposed moderator
misbehavior Phil Innes was referring to, before Phil
Innes revealed that he was referring to Herbert
Vaughn (who is not the moderator) as the moderator?
Who, even now, knows what supposedly 'less-than
-honest reporting about Tanner' was being mentioned
by Phil Innes? ..." - Louis Blair (29 Dec 2006
14:29:00 -0800)

From: "Louis Blair"
Date: 10 Jan 2007 11:20:55 -0800

helpbot wrote (8 Jan 2007 01:32:19 -0800):
7 ... your never-ending claims to having a secret email
7 which ...

_
Phil Innes wrote (Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:09:55 GMT):

7 It is only secret because Kingston insists on it. ...

_
Phil Innes has already posted material from the emails.
Remember the ear-bending quote?

From: "Louis Blair"
Date: 10 Jan 2007 16:36:41 -0800

I wrote (10 Jan 2007 11:20:55 -0800):
7 ... Remember the ear-bending quote?

_
Phil Innes wrote (Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:58:20 GMT):

7 ... Course, Kingston did not deny 'ear-bending' Frank
7 Niro, until I 'remembered him' his own words, and could
7 no longer purport it as a 'claim' of what he said. So he
7 spun it. Okay. ...

_
It seems to me that Taylor Kingston's position has
consistantly been:
_
"... I never did [talk to Niro] ..." - Taylor
Kingston (19 Aug 2006 10:07:18 -0700)
_
When did he ever write anything different?
_
Taylor Kingston did CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY of
discussion with Frank Niro, but, again, where is there
any change in position about that? When did TK ever
deny considering the possibility or refer to this as a
"claim" of Phil Innes?
_
I HAVE seen TK dispute some of the interpretation by
Phil Innes:
_
"... [The plain statement] was, 'I might have
been able to bend Niro's ear a bit on Evans.'
_
... There are no two senses to it, in his own
words it was the only reason that would
tempt Kingston from his northern fastness.
..." - Phil Innes (Mon, 06 Nov 2006
13:51:17 GMT)
_
_
"... Nowhere in or near the above quote is
there anything indicating an 'only reason.'
This 'only reason' idea is purely a figment of
his imagination. ..." - Taylor Kingston
(6 Nov 2006 11:09:24 -0800)
_
_
"... a reproduction of the actual 3/17/2002
quote of Taylor Kingston that Phil Innes
reported (Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:00:50 GMT):
_
'Interestingly, Hanon Russell met with
Niro just a few days ago. Due to the
recent expansion of ChessCafe's and
Russell Enterprises' activities, the
company recently moved into new
offices, and had a "grand opening"
reception, which several dignitaries,
including Niro, attended. I was invited
too, but couldn't make the long drive.
If I had gone, I might have been able to
bend Niro's ear a bit on Evans.'
_
(Taylor Kingston has written (4 Aug 2006
12:26:15 -0700) that he had in mind criticism
of the 'Evans' CL column'.)" - Louis Blair
(6 Nov 2006 13:37:54 -0800)

From: "Louis Blair"
Date: 10 Jan 2007 22:47:43 -0800

helpbot wrote (8 Jan 2007 01:32:19 -0800):
7 ... your never-ending claims to having a secret email
7 which ...
_
Phil Innes wrote (Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:09:55 GMT):
7 It is only secret because Kingston insists on it. ...
_
I wrote (10 Jan 2007 11:20:55 -0800):
7 Phil Innes has already posted material from the emails.
7 Remember the ear-bending quote?

_
helpbot wrote (10 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0800):

7 Can't say as I do. ...

_
"Taylor Kingstons wrote me on 3/17/2002
_
'Interestingly, Hanon Russell met with
Niro just a few days ago. Due to the
recent expansion of ChessCafe's and
Russell Enterprises' activities, the
company recently moved into new
offices, and had a "grand opening"
reception, which several dignitaries,
including Niro, attended. I was invited
too, but couldn't make the long drive.
If I had gone, I might have been able to
bend Niro's ear a bit on Evans.'
..." - Phil Innes (Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:01:40 GMT)

"Louis Blair" wrote in message
oups.com...

... There are no two senses to it, in his own
words it was the only reason that would
tempt Kingston from his northern fastness.
..." - Phil Innes (Mon, 06 Nov 2006
13:51:17 GMT)
_
_
"... Nowhere in or near the above quote is
there anything indicating an 'only reason.'
This 'only reason' idea is purely a figment of
his imagination. ..." - Taylor Kingston
(6 Nov 2006 11:09:24 -0800)
_
'Interestingly, Hanon Russell met with
Niro just a few days ago. Due to the
recent expansion of ChessCafe's and
Russell Enterprises' activities, the
company recently moved into new
offices, and had a "grand opening"
reception, which several dignitaries,
including Niro, attended. I was invited
too, but couldn't make the long drive.
If I had gone, I might have been able to
bend Niro's ear a bit on Evans.'

How many reasons can Louis spot as 'indicated' in his own selective
reporting?

PI

I wrote (10 Jan 2007 16:36:41 -0800):
7 ...
7 I HAVE seen TK dispute some of the interpretation by
7 Phil Innes:
7
7 "... [The plain statement] was, 'I might have
7 been able to bend Niro's ear a bit on Evans.'
7
7 ... There are no two senses to it, in his own
7 words it was the only reason that would
7 tempt Kingston from his northern fastness.
7 ..." - Phil Innes (Mon, 06 Nov 2006
7 13:51:17 GMT)
7
7
7 "... Nowhere in or near the above quote is
7 there anything indicating an 'only reason.'
7 This 'only reason' idea is purely a figment of
7 his imagination. ..." - Taylor Kingston
7 (6 Nov 2006 11:09:24 -0800)
7
7
7 "... a reproduction of the actual 3/17/2002
7 quote of Taylor Kingston that Phil Innes
7 reported (Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:00:50 GMT):
7
7 'Interestingly, Hanon Russell met with
7 Niro just a few days ago. Due to the
7 recent expansion of ChessCafe's and
7 Russell Enterprises' activities, the
7 company recently moved into new
7 offices, and had a "grand opening"
7 reception, which several dignitaries,
7 including Niro, attended. I was invited
7 too, but couldn't make the long drive.
7 If I had gone, I might have been able to
7 bend Niro's ear a bit on Evans.'
7
7 (Taylor Kingston has written (4 Aug 2006
7 12:26:15 -0700) that he had in mind criticism
7 of the 'Evans' CL column'.)" - Louis Blair
7 (6 Nov 2006 13:37:54 -0800)

_
Phil Innes wrote (Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:21:49 GMT):

7 How many reasons can Louis spot in his own
7 selective reporting?

_
I am still waiting for Phil Innes to tell us:
_
"... Where is there anything to indicate that
Taylor Kingston 'mention'ed all of the reasons
'that would tempt him to go'? ..." - Louis Blair
(6 Nov 2006 22:04:27 -0800)
_
Another comment:
_
"... [Phil's] inference is completely baseless.
I suppose if I said 'I was invited to join Bill at
the ball game yesterday, but couldn't go. Too
bad -- Schilling pitched a no-hitter,' then our
Phil would conclude that the _only_ reason I
attend baseball games is to see no-hitters. ..."
- Taylor Kingston (1 Nov 2006 07:20:54 -0800)
_
As for "selective reporting", I included the complete text
of the quote that Phil Innes himself reported on Thu,
03 Aug 2006 03:00:50 GMT and Fri, 04 Aug 2006
19:01:40 GMT. Is there anything specific that Phil
Innes would also have wanted me to include?

helpbot wrote (8 Jan 2007 01:32:19 -0800):
7 ... your never-ending claims to having a secret email
7 which ...
_
Phil Innes wrote (Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:09:55 GMT):
7 It is only secret because Kingston insists on it. ...
_
I wrote (10 Jan 2007 11:20:55 -0800):
7 Phil Innes has already posted material from the emails.
7 Remember the ear-bending quote?
_
helpbot wrote (10 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0800):
7 Can't say as I do. ...
_
I wrote (10 Jan 2007 22:47:43 -0800):
7 "Taylor Kingstons wrote me on 3/17/2002
7
7 'Interestingly, Hanon Russell met with
7 Niro just a few days ago. Due to the
7 recent expansion of ChessCafe's and
7 Russell Enterprises' activities, the
7 company recently moved into new
7 offices, and had a "grand opening"
7 reception, which several dignitaries,
7 including Niro, attended. I was invited
7 too, but couldn't make the long drive.
7 If I had gone, I might have been able to
7 bend Niro's ear a bit on Evans.'
7 ..." - Phil Innes (Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:01:40 GMT)

_
helpbot wrote (13 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0800):

7 7 Can't say as I do. ...
7
7 Please note how, right here, Louis Blair saw fit to just
7 SNIP the rest of my comments, though they were *critical*
7 to the brief statement above. To wit: my answer, that "I
7 can't say as I do" [remember PI's already-posted material
7 concerning this subject]:
7
7 -----------
7 "Can't say as I do. Did PI actually already post what he
7 and TK are fussing over? An email in which TK supposedly
7 repudiated the rights of certain writers to defend themselves
7 against criticism on some Web site?"
7 -----------

_
Helpbot itself snips one sentence from its own description
of its own note:
_
"... The phrase 'bend his ear' rings familiar."
- helpbot (10 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0800_
_
Naturally enough, I took the helpbot note as indicating that
it did not precisely remember the ear-bending quote and
undertook to remind it about how the quote went. I saw no
need to bother with helpbot's other questions which helpbot
could answer for itself without further assistance from me.

_
helpbot wrote (13 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0800):

7 ...was distorted by Louis Blair's clumsy snipping and
7 pasting. I was clearly discussing the matter of Taylor
7 Kingston's alleged repudiation of the rights of certain
7 writers to defend themselves on ChessCafe, *not* the
7 matter discussed below, as LB's ruthless snipping makes
7 it appear.

_
It seems to me that it is helpbot's own snipping that
partially obscures helpbot's expressed interest in the
ear-bending quote.

_
helpbot wrote (13 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0800):

7 Oddly, Dr. Blair has determined to utilize my comment
7 as some sort of support for his attack on Phil Innes, and
7 he does so by his usual, selective cut-and-paste method.
7 ...

_
Nonsense. I wrote absolutely nothing to indicate that
helpbot supported my "attack on Phil Innes". I indicated
that helpbot did not seem to have a clear recollection of
the ear-bending quote. That is what helpbot itself indicated.
I supplied the ear-bending quote. That is all.

_
helpbot wrote (13 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0800):

7 ... the only purpose I can determine for Dr. Blair to
7 re-re-rehash this subject is to proclaim his moral victory
7 -- again and again. ...

_
As I indicated, I mentioned the ear-bending quote (posted
previously by Phil Innes), because Phil Innes had been
telling us that a Taylor Kingston email "is only secret
because Kingston insists on it."
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Louis Blair wrote:
helpbot wrote (8 Jan 2007 01:32:19 -0800):
7 ... your never-ending claims to having a secret email
7 which ...

_
Phil Innes wrote (Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:09:55 GMT):

7 It is only secret because Kingston insists on it. ...

_
Phil Innes has already posted material from the emails.
Remember the ear-bending quote?

Can't say as I do. Did PI actually already post what he
and TK are fussing over? An email in which TK supposedly
repudiated the rights of certain writers to defend themselves
against criticism on some Web site? The phrase "bend his
ear" rings familiar.

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helpbot wrote (8 Jan 2007 01:32:19 -0800):
7 ... your never-ending claims to having a secret email
7 which ...
_
Phil Innes wrote (Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:09:55 GMT):
7 It is only secret because Kingston insists on it. ...
_
I wrote (10 Jan 2007 11:20:55 -0800):
7 Phil Innes has already posted material from the emails.
7 Remember the ear-bending quote?
_
helpbot wrote (10 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0800):
7 Can't say as I do. ...
_
I wrote (10 Jan 2007 22:47:43 -0800):
7 "Taylor Kingstons wrote me on 3/17/2002
7
7 'Interestingly, Hanon Russell met with
7 Niro just a few days ago. Due to the
7 recent expansion of ChessCafe's and
7 Russell Enterprises' activities, the
7 company recently moved into new
7 offices, and had a "grand opening"
7 reception, which several dignitaries,
7 including Niro, attended. I was invited
7 too, but couldn't make the long drive.
7 If I had gone, I might have been able to
7 bend Niro's ear a bit on Evans.'
7 ..." - Phil Innes (Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:01:40 GMT)

_
helpbot wrote (13 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0800):

7 7 Can't say as I do. ...
7
7 Please note how, right here, Louis Blair saw fit to just
7 SNIP the rest of my comments, though they were *critical*
7 to the brief statement above. To wit: my answer, that "I
7 can't say as I do" [remember PI's already-posted material
7 concerning this subject]:
7
7 -----------
7 "Can't say as I do. Did PI actually already post what he
7 and TK are fussing over? An email in which TK supposedly
7 repudiated the rights of certain writers to defend themselves
7 against criticism on some Web site?"
7 -----------

_
Helpbot itself snips one sentence from its own description
of its own note:
_
"... The phrase 'bend his ear' rings familiar."
- helpbot (10 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0800_
_
Naturally enough, I took the helpbot note as indicating that
it did not precisely remember the ear-bending quote and
undertook to remind it about how the quote went. I saw no
need to bother with helpbot's other questions which helpbot
could answer for itself without further assistance from me.

_
helpbot wrote (13 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0800):

7 ...was distorted by Louis Blair's clumsy snipping and
7 pasting. I was clearly discussing the matter of Taylor
7 Kingston's alleged repudiation of the rights of certain
7 writers to defend themselves on ChessCafe, *not* the
7 matter discussed below, as LB's ruthless snipping makes
7 it appear.

_
It seems to me that it is helpbot's own snipping that
partially obscures helpbot's expressed interest in the
ear-bending quote.

_
helpbot wrote (13 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0800):

7 Oddly, Dr. Blair has determined to utilize my comment
7 as some sort of support for his attack on Phil Innes, and
7 he does so by his usual, selective cut-and-paste method.
7 ...

_
Nonsense. In my 10 Jan 2007 22:47:43 -0800 note, I
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That is what helpbot itself indicated. I supplied the
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_
helpbot wrote (13 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0800):

7 ... the only purpose I can determine for Dr. Blair to
7 re-re-rehash this subject is to proclaim his moral victory
7 -- again and again. ...

_
As I indicated, I mentioned the ear-bending quote (posted
previously by Phil Innes), because Phil Innes had been
telling us that a Taylor Kingston email "is only secret
because Kingston insists on it."
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Louis Blair wrote:
helpbot wrote (8 Jan 2007 01:32:19 -0800):
7 ... your never-ending claims to having a secret email
7 which ...

_
Phil Innes wrote (Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:09:55 GMT):

7 It is only secret because Kingston insists on it. ...

_
Phil Innes has already posted material from the emails.
Remember the ear-bending quote?

Can't say as I do. Did PI actually already post what he
and TK are fussing over? An email in which TK supposedly
repudiated the rights of certain writers to defend themselves
against criticism on some Web site? The phrase "bend his
ear" rings familiar.

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