From the USCF Forum:

"Tim Redman gets my vote for brilliant idea of the day. He has suggested
that the USCF should recognize that the Forums are (now) essentially a
political arena and make the job of Moderator that of the USCF's chief
political officer, ie the USCF President." // Mike Nolan.

Having joked this week about Pravda-in-Connecticut, at least USCF are
admitting Redman's point, that the forum is effectively a political one:
which is to say that it is at best a discussion group of chess managers, and
at worst a propaganda machine Pravda-in-Crossville.

The Candidate for political officer will need the skills of an Aleksandr
Nikitenko combined with Bakunin. I suggest they call the new forum,
Constitution, Autocracy and the Zemstvos.

or simply; The [18] '62.

Comrade Nolan, who also wrote "At this point I don't honestly care what the
Board decides to do, as long as I don't have to have anything more to do
with it. Not surprisingly, the Board is trying to kick this issue back to
the ED rather than dealing with it themselves, " might look into Nikitenko,
who did indeed have to walk this talk, twixt the devil [people, citizens,
writers] and the deep white taiiga, and its severe and beautiful
perfection - the quality of vast emptiness.

Comrade Zhivago

Chess One wrote:
From the USCF Forum:

"Tim Redman gets my vote for brilliant idea of the day. He has suggested
that the USCF should recognize that the Forums are (now) essentially a
political arena and make the job of Moderator that of the USCF's chief
political officer, ie the USCF President." // Mike Nolan.

Having joked this week about Pravda-in-Connecticut, at least USCF are
admitting Redman's point, that the forum is effectively a political one:
which is to say that it is at best a discussion group of chess managers, and
at worst a propaganda machine Pravda-in-Crossville.

The Candidate for political officer will need the skills of an Aleksandr
Nikitenko combined with Bakunin. I suggest they call the new forum,
Constitution, Autocracy and the Zemstvos.

or simply; The [18] '62.

Comrade Nolan, who also wrote "At this point I don't honestly care what the
Board decides to do, as long as I don't have to have anything more to do
with it. Not surprisingly, the Board is trying to kick this issue back to
the ED rather than dealing with it themselves, " might look into Nikitenko,
who did indeed have to walk this talk, twixt the devil [people, citizens,
writers] and the deep white taiiga, and its severe and beautiful
perfection - the quality of vast emptiness.

Comrade Zhivago

On USCF Forums, Bill Goichberg just posted the following regarding the
suspension of Beatriz Marinello from posting:

DECISION MADE BY MIKE NOLAN, SERVING AS A MODERATOR OF THE USCF FORUM;
BILL HALL, USCF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR; AND BILL GOICHBERG, PRESIDENT OF
THE USCF


I was not aware of the above headline in advance and do not agree with
it. I expressed my personal opinion (that the info was confidential)
before any other Board member commented, and I did not claim that my
opinion was necessarily that of the whole Board.


Bill Goichberg


(remainder snipped)


What is going on here is that Bill Goichberg was gung-ho to suspend
both Beatriz Marinello and myself from posting to the USCF Forums, but
now that he is being challenged on this, he is saying that it was not
his fault, and that Mike Nolan should be blamed for the whole thing.


Mike Nolan is going to be made the fall-guy.


For those who have been wondering whether Goichberg is a man or a
mouse, now we know the answer. Goichberg is a mouse.


Sam Sloan

NOLANLAND

The zookeeper of the USCF Forum will require a
different skill set than those suggested by Phil's
historical allusions. Nikitenko, Bakunin? No way.
Pobedonostsev (though far too humane and mild, given
later standards) Zhdanov, Kaganovich are the ticket.

I also recommend (it is surely available by now)
a copy of the Soviet "Talmud," an authoritative book
employed by Soviet censors explaining what could not
be reported.


Chess One wrote:
From the USCF Forum:

"Tim Redman gets my vote for brilliant idea of the day. He has suggested
that the USCF should recognize that the Forums are (now) essentially a
political arena and make the job of Moderator that of the USCF's chief
political officer, ie the USCF President." // Mike Nolan.

Having joked this week about Pravda-in-Connecticut, at least USCF are
admitting Redman's point, that the forum is effectively a political one:
which is to say that it is at best a discussion group of chess managers, and
at worst a propaganda machine Pravda-in-Crossville.

The Candidate for political officer will need the skills of an Aleksandr
Nikitenko combined with Bakunin. I suggest they call the new forum,
Constitution, Autocracy and the Zemstvos.

or simply; The [18] '62.

Comrade Nolan, who also wrote "At this point I don't honestly care what the
Board decides to do, as long as I don't have to have anything more to do
with it. Not surprisingly, the Board is trying to kick this issue back to
the ED rather than dealing with it themselves, " might look into Nikitenko,
who did indeed have to walk this talk, twixt the devil [people, citizens,
writers] and the deep white taiiga, and its severe and beautiful
perfection - the quality of vast emptiness.

Comrade Zhivago

Sam Sloan wrote:

[...] Goichberg is a mouse.


Sam Sloan

And you are so boring.

Wlod

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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Comrade Zhivago

On USCF Forums, Bill Goichberg just posted the following regarding the
suspension of Beatriz Marinello from posting:

DECISION MADE BY MIKE NOLAN, SERVING AS A MODERATOR OF THE USCF FORUM;
BILL HALL, USCF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR; AND BILL GOICHBERG, PRESIDENT OF
THE USCF


I was not aware of the above headline in advance and do not agree with
it. I expressed my personal opinion (that the info was confidential)
before any other Board member commented, and I did not claim that my
opinion was necessarily that of the whole Board.


Bill Goichberg


(remainder snipped)


What is going on here is that Bill Goichberg was gung-ho to suspend
both Beatriz Marinello and myself from posting to the USCF Forums, but
now that he is being challenged on this, he is saying that it was not
his fault, and that Mike Nolan should be blamed for the whole thing.

I think Marinello has identified 2 different issues, which have to do with
the chess community, and not this silly blaming game of team-USCF.

She said that while the amount of money has always been confidential, the
vendors themselves never have. And since she cited no money, she caused no
offence to precedent, nor to by-laws.

She also said that Bill Goichberg was not authorised by the board to make
any such overture to a vendor, in fact at least 2 board members did not even
know of the apporach, and therefore it cannot be any issue to do with
breaking board confidentiality, instead she asked if Goichberg himself is
out of order?

Mike Nolan is going to be made the fall-guy.

I doubt it. He was instructed as employee/contractor to perform an action,
not decide the basis of the action - there is no basis I can see for any
sanction against Mike Nolan. Directives are an executive function, and
responsibile agents are in this case Bill Hall and Bill Goichberg.

Phil Innes

For those who have been wondering whether Goichberg is a man or a
mouse, now we know the answer. Goichberg is a mouse.


Sam Sloan

wrote in message
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NOLANLAND

The zookeeper of the USCF Forum will require a
different skill set than those suggested by Phil's
historical allusions. Nikitenko, Bakunin? No way.
Pobedonostsev (though far too humane and mild, given
later standards) Zhdanov, Kaganovich are the ticket.

Nikitenko reported that the issue that broke the mold and was simply
uncontainable had to come from outside - and the raging argument was about
education. Whether to persist in a narrow and non-European classism, or
adopt Realschule German method.

The entire literati banged on this one for 15 years, with Realschule being
seen as superior to current needs, yet resentment being expressed that yet
another imported culture will not last and suit the character of the people.

It is with wry amusement, actually also with considerable sadness that this
is still the issue in the Russias 150 years later - and the dissastrous
effect of not being themselves to themselves caused an almost infinite amout
of pain in that society. Even communism was imported on the German model.

Milan Kundera wrote well this week in the New Yorker on being Czech, and
like Hungary and Poland [as Poland would like for itself] and the Balkans,
insisting that their tradition was along the lines of Western European
classism, and quite distinct from any Russian model. He said that he was
amazed and is continuously bemuzed when his country is assumed by Western
agents to be Russian, rather than Western.

I also recommend (it is surely available by now)
a copy of the Soviet "Talmud," an authoritative book
employed by Soviet censors explaining what could not
be reported.

Ay. What impossible ironies we see here, as if to affirm that all things
would turn into their opposites. While communism did not suit the Russian
people [politicians loved it!] neither does any cult of secrets fit us in
the West. We die of our secrets in an information age, where the real value
of information is that it circulates.

That was the winning argument too in Realschule adoption - which did not
last! No, that was crushed and beaten to bloody death in the snow as like a
picture of those baby seals. What Russia and indeed USCF must do is to find
their own nature, which I think cannot come out of books or ideologies
alone, and the very last inhibition that should be tolerated are attemtps to
supress the very Selves which we are all here to explore.

Gawd! I do go on! But to find some concinnity in all that - if we can't do
something decent legal honest and truthful in chess - don't we really kid
ourselves about greater challenges and prospects?

Cordially, Phil Innes


Chess One wrote:
From the USCF Forum:

"Tim Redman gets my vote for brilliant idea of the day. He has suggested
that the USCF should recognize that the Forums are (now) essentially a
political arena and make the job of Moderator that of the USCF's chief
political officer, ie the USCF President." // Mike Nolan.

Having joked this week about Pravda-in-Connecticut, at least USCF are
admitting Redman's point, that the forum is effectively a political one:
which is to say that it is at best a discussion group of chess managers,
and
at worst a propaganda machine Pravda-in-Crossville.

The Candidate for political officer will need the skills of an Aleksandr
Nikitenko combined with Bakunin. I suggest they call the new forum,
Constitution, Autocracy and the Zemstvos.

or simply; The [18] '62.

Comrade Nolan, who also wrote "At this point I don't honestly care what
the
Board decides to do, as long as I don't have to have anything more to do
with it. Not surprisingly, the Board is trying to kick this issue back to
the ED rather than dealing with it themselves, " might look into
Nikitenko,
who did indeed have to walk this talk, twixt the devil [people, citizens,
writers] and the deep white taiiga, and its severe and beautiful
perfection - the quality of vast emptiness.

Comrade Zhivago

"Chess One" wrote in message
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"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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Comrade Zhivago

On USCF Forums, Bill Goichberg just posted the following regarding the
suspension of Beatriz Marinello from posting:

DECISION MADE BY MIKE NOLAN, SERVING AS A MODERATOR OF THE USCF FORUM;
BILL HALL, USCF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR; AND BILL GOICHBERG, PRESIDENT OF
THE USCF


I was not aware of the above headline in advance and do not agree with
it. I expressed my personal opinion (that the info was confidential)
before any other Board member commented, and I did not claim that my
opinion was necessarily that of the whole Board.


Bill Goichberg


(remainder snipped)


What is going on here is that Bill Goichberg was gung-ho to suspend
both Beatriz Marinello and myself from posting to the USCF Forums, but
now that he is being challenged on this, he is saying that it was not
his fault, and that Mike Nolan should be blamed for the whole thing.

I think Marinello has identified 2 different issues, which have to do with
the chess community, and not this silly blaming game of team-USCF.

She said that while the amount of money has always been confidential, the
vendors themselves never have. And since she cited no money, she caused no
offence to precedent, nor to by-laws.

She also said that Bill Goichberg was not authorised by the board to make
any such overture to a vendor, in fact at least 2 board members did not
even know of the apporach, and therefore it cannot be any issue to do with
breaking board confidentiality, instead she asked if Goichberg himself is
out of order?

Mike Nolan is going to be made the fall-guy.

I doubt it. He was instructed as employee/contractor to perform an action,
not decide the basis of the action - there is no basis I can see for any
sanction against Mike Nolan. Directives are an executive function, and
responsibile agents are in this case Bill Hall and Bill Goichberg.

Phil Innes

For those who have been wondering whether Goichberg is a man or a
mouse, now we know the answer. Goichberg is a mouse.


Sam Sloan

Assuming USCF is incorporated in TN, read the following and ask youself
whether or not financial dealings of the Board can be kept confidential at
all, and if so, for how long.





48-66-102. Inspection of records by members. -







(a) Subject to § 48-66-103(c), a member is entitled to inspect and
copy, at a reasonable time and location specified by the corporation, any of
the records of the corporation described in § 48-66-101(e) if the member
gives the corporation a written demand at least five (5) business days
before the date on which the member wishes to inspect and copy.



(b) A member is entitled to inspect and copy, at a reasonable time and
reasonable location specified by the corporation, any of the following
records of the corporation if the member meets the requirements of
subsection (c) and gives the corporation written notice at least five (5)
business days before the date on which the member wishes to inspect and
copy:





(1) Excerpts from any records required to be maintained under §
48-66-101(a), to the extent not subject to inspection under subsection (a);





(2) Accounting records of the corporation; and





(3) Subject to § 48-66-105, the membership list.





(c) A member may inspect and copy the records identified in subsection
(b) only if:





(1) The member's demand is made in good faith and for a proper
purpose;





(2) The member describes with reasonable particularity the
purpose and the records the member desires to inspect; and





(3) The records are directly connected with the purpose for which
the demand is made.





(d) The right of inspection granted by this section may not be
abolished or limited by a corporation's charter or bylaws.





(e) This section does not affect:





(1) The right of a member to inspect records under § 48-57-201
or, if the member is in litigation with the corporation, to the same extent
as any other litigant; or





(2) The power of a court, independently of chapters 51-68 of this
title, to compel the production of corporate records for examination.





[Acts 1987, ch. 242, § 16.02.]

"B. Lafferty" writes:

Assuming USCF is incorporated in TN, read the following and ask youself
whether or not financial dealings of the Board can be kept confidential at
all, and if so, for how long.

The USCF is incorporated in Illinois, though there are similar statutes
on the books there.
--
Mike Nolan

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
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Assuming USCF is incorporated in TN,

Illinois

read the following and ask youself whether or not financial dealings of
the Board can be kept confidential at all, and if so, for how long.

The point I repeated viz. Marinello is that its not the board, its a board
member acting without the knowledge of the full board, nevermind their
permission. I don't know to what degree Illinois law varies from those you
cite for TN, but I suspect that under law, there is not substantial
difference.

Marinello raises the proper point that this is not only beyond any powers
extended to the President of the board, it is not even in their knowledge or
permit.

She asks in effect, how can mentioning the name of the potential contractee
be worthy of censure, from precedent or board confidance, and instead, is
not the behavior of the president out-of-order?

She cannot raise this issue at USCF's own forum, which is utterly
remarkable, and it is left to me, not any particular admirer of her own
representation or her own presidency, to raise the point here, where it can
be noticed.

It is a fair point which Bill Goichberg might well acknowledge to his
credit, rather than stonewall, and thus up the ante to the calls for
resignation. I like Bill Goichberg as much as Mz Marinello, which is not to
great degree, yet I do respect what they both try to do, and credit them
with the intention to get things done, even if it must be at such personal
levels of exposure.

What is absent in a mature organisation is something replacing personality -
and that is system. Better businessnes know this, and there are really no
excuses for failing to systematise routine and repetitive events, and there
is only risk and double-edged worth of persisting in personalising issues to
this, frankly amateur, extent.

Like Kirsan for Fide, things will happen 'soon' he says, and so will a
sponsor for the US Championship happen 'soon'. I expect prospective
participants in the national championship will have cleared their calendars
for 'soon' month, no?

Phil


(a) Subject to § 48-66-103(c), a member is entitled to inspect and
copy, at a reasonable time and location specified by the corporation, any
of the records of the corporation described in § 48-66-101(e) if the
member gives the corporation a written demand at least five (5) business
days before the date on which the member wishes to inspect and copy.



(b) A member is entitled to inspect and copy, at a reasonable time
and reasonable location specified by the corporation, any of the following
records of the corporation if the member meets the requirements of
subsection (c) and gives the corporation written notice at least five (5)
business days before the date on which the member wishes to inspect and
copy:





(1) Excerpts from any records required to be maintained under §
48-66-101(a), to the extent not subject to inspection under subsection
(a);





(2) Accounting records of the corporation; and





(3) Subject to § 48-66-105, the membership list.





(c) A member may inspect and copy the records identified in
subsection (b) only if:





(1) The member's demand is made in good faith and for a proper
purpose;





(2) The member describes with reasonable particularity the
purpose and the records the member desires to inspect; and





(3) The records are directly connected with the purpose for
which the demand is made.





(d) The right of inspection granted by this section may not be
abolished or limited by a corporation's charter or bylaws.





(e) This section does not affect:





(1) The right of a member to inspect records under § 48-57-201
or, if the member is in litigation with the corporation, to the same
extent as any other litigant; or





(2) The power of a court, independently of chapters 51-68 of
this title, to compel the production of corporate records for examination.





[Acts 1987, ch. 242, § 16.02.]

I can not understand, having served on the Board of Delegates and
having directed many chess tournaments (from which I am now banned by
Mike Nolan) why the USCF, as an organization, keeps on falling into
these traps about their private little cliquish website where two
members of the Executive Committee are getting BANNED by a Chess Nazi -
the same Chess Nazi that has banned me on several occasions.

It should be Bill Hall, the USCF Executive Director, as LOUD as HE CAN,
to team build and avoid falling into these huge wastes of time and
energy. Instead, you have a little failure of an egomaniac running the
USCF. Bill Hall wants to threaten to charge me with a felony. Again,
these people can not manage their time like any successful businessman
or businesswoman.

If you take all of the time and energy spent on banning people from the
USCF web site, and banning people from directing chess tournaments, and
spend that time on MAKING money in chess, then things will get better.

We have no hope!

Macus Roberts


Chess One wrote:
wrote in message
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NOLANLAND

The zookeeper of the USCF Forum will require a
different skill set than those suggested by Phil's
historical allusions. Nikitenko, Bakunin? No way.
Pobedonostsev (though far too humane and mild, given
later standards) Zhdanov, Kaganovich are the ticket.

Nikitenko reported that the issue that broke the mold and was simply
uncontainable had to come from outside - and the raging argument was about
education. Whether to persist in a narrow and non-European classism, or
adopt Realschule German method.

The entire literati banged on this one for 15 years, with Realschule being
seen as superior to current needs, yet resentment being expressed that yet
another imported culture will not last and suit the character of the people.

It is with wry amusement, actually also with considerable sadness that this
is still the issue in the Russias 150 years later - and the dissastrous
effect of not being themselves to themselves caused an almost infinite amout
of pain in that society. Even communism was imported on the German model.

Milan Kundera wrote well this week in the New Yorker on being Czech, and
like Hungary and Poland [as Poland would like for itself] and the Balkans,
insisting that their tradition was along the lines of Western European
classism, and quite distinct from any Russian model. He said that he was
amazed and is continuously bemuzed when his country is assumed by Western
agents to be Russian, rather than Western.

I also recommend (it is surely available by now)
a copy of the Soviet "Talmud," an authoritative book
employed by Soviet censors explaining what could not
be reported.

Ay. What impossible ironies we see here, as if to affirm that all things
would turn into their opposites. While communism did not suit the Russian
people [politicians loved it!] neither does any cult of secrets fit us in
the West. We die of our secrets in an information age, where the real value
of information is that it circulates.

That was the winning argument too in Realschule adoption - which did not
last! No, that was crushed and beaten to bloody death in the snow as like a
picture of those baby seals. What Russia and indeed USCF must do is to find
their own nature, which I think cannot come out of books or ideologies
alone, and the very last inhibition that should be tolerated are attemtps to
supress the very Selves which we are all here to explore.

Gawd! I do go on! But to find some concinnity in all that - if we can't do
something decent legal honest and truthful in chess - don't we really kid
ourselves about greater challenges and prospects?

Cordially, Phil Innes


Chess One wrote:
From the USCF Forum:

"Tim Redman gets my vote for brilliant idea of the day. He has suggested
that the USCF should recognize that the Forums are (now) essentially a
political arena and make the job of Moderator that of the USCF's chief
political officer, ie the USCF President." // Mike Nolan.

Having joked this week about Pravda-in-Connecticut, at least USCF are
admitting Redman's point, that the forum is effectively a political one:
which is to say that it is at best a discussion group of chess managers,
and
at worst a propaganda machine Pravda-in-Crossville.

The Candidate for political officer will need the skills of an Aleksandr
Nikitenko combined with Bakunin. I suggest they call the new forum,
Constitution, Autocracy and the Zemstvos.

or simply; The [18] '62.

Comrade Nolan, who also wrote "At this point I don't honestly care what
the
Board decides to do, as long as I don't have to have anything more to do
with it. Not surprisingly, the Board is trying to kick this issue back to
the ED rather than dealing with it themselves, " might look into
Nikitenko,
who did indeed have to walk this talk, twixt the devil [people, citizens,
writers] and the deep white taiiga, and its severe and beautiful
perfection - the quality of vast emptiness.

Comrade Zhivago