It was beginner Level I suppose, Try easy & Normal Level they will
give you good fight.

Read my previous comments in this thread.

I see no reason to try any level other than Beginner until you
start advertising the speed and capabilities of the Beginner level
correctly. if you are lying about Beginner level, why should I believe
anything you say about Easy and Normal?


You can see the 1000s recorded games played at GetClub. and see that
in last 50 Games the game speed has considerably increased.

http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10

Here you will see Beginner making moves in 5-10 seconds while the
Player taking 20-30 seconds per move.

Everything is recorded onsite why should i lie?

You want strong game then try higher levels else if you are a weak
player Beginner is ok to start with.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Look, Sanny: since your programmers obviously
can not or will not look up the proper method of
implementing basic tactics, why don;t you do it
for them? Just do a google search on:
"check and capture extensions" and find one of
the many explanations and examples on how this
is implemented in achessprogram, then print and
hand it off to them. Assuming they can read, soon
your program would be back up above 1000 on
every level. (I'm not holding my breath.)

-- help bot

That improvement was done recently. Lets see if it helps it's play
strength.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

You are missing the point, Sanny. Beginner does not make
moves in 5-10 seconds, it takes significantly longer than
what you say. Replaying the games do no good, since you do
not record move times. All I know is what I see when I play.

Also, your client causes my browser to consume too much memory
and eventually crash - that was how your engine 'beat' me one
time, it hung my system and I had to reboot. When I logged
back in, your wonderful program claimed I lost. I'll not
be visiting your website again.




"Sanny" wrote in message
oups.com...
It was beginner Level I suppose, Try easy & Normal Level they will
give you good fight.

Read my previous comments in this thread.

I see no reason to try any level other than Beginner until you
start advertising the speed and capabilities of the Beginner level
correctly. if you are lying about Beginner level, why should I believe
anything you say about Easy and Normal?


You can see the 1000s recorded games played at GetClub. and see that
in last 50 Games the game speed has considerably increased.

http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10

Here you will see Beginner making moves in 5-10 seconds while the
Player taking 20-30 seconds per move.

Everything is recorded onsite why should i lie?

You want strong game then try higher levels else if you are a weak
player Beginner is ok to start with.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

That improvement was done recently. Lets see if it helps it's play
strength.

Boy oh Boy. Your really an arrogant one. A lot of people here can
give you good advice to improve your site. They don't even have too
and you just ignore them. A total loser.

Bye
Sanny

Good riddence.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

NO WAY!

EZoto

"EZoto" wrote in message
...

That improvement was done recently. Lets see if it helps it's play
strength.

Boy oh Boy. Your really an arrogant one. A lot of people here can
give you good advice to improve your site. They don't even have too
and you just ignore them. A total loser.

Bye
Sanny

Good riddence.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

NO WAY!

EZoto


Just do what I have done, add this guy to your twit
filter.

J.Lohner

On 21 Apr 2007 09:54:17 -0700, Sanny wrote:

What do players like a stronger game or a quick game?

I'd prefer one that doesn't cause Internet Explorer to crash in
mid-move myself...
--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

Sanny wrote:
It was beginner Level I suppose, Try easy & Normal Level they will
give you good fight.
Read my previous comments in this thread.

I see no reason to try any level other than Beginner until you
start advertising the speed and capabilities of the Beginner level
correctly. if you are lying about Beginner level, why should I believe
anything you say about Easy and Normal?


You can see the 1000s recorded games played at GetClub. and see that
in last 50 Games the game speed has considerably increased.

I can see the game I played last night, in which your program averaged
100 seconds per move from roughly move 30 until it flipped the board in
the air and stalked away (by the way, that's a particularly rude way to
resign).


http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10

Here you will see Beginner making moves in 5-10 seconds while the
Player taking 20-30 seconds per move.

I don't need to look at your recorded games. I have personal experience
with your program. Beginner level (in my last game) often takes 150
seconds to make a move. 150 is much larger than 10.


Everything is recorded onsite why should i lie?

I don't know WHY you lie, all I know is that your statements do not
match my experience with your program.

So, tell us...why *do* you lie?

And, given that the question is whether or not you lie, why should we
believe game records that you provide? Are they more, or less, reliable
than the statement that "Beginner takes 5-10 seconds"?


You want strong game then try higher levels else if you are a weak
player Beginner is ok to start with.

I want a program which obeys the rules. The rules include the time
control. Put in a proper move timing mechanism that forfeits either
player for overstepping the time limits.



Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




--
Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

On Apr 22, 2:40 am, Kenneth Sloan wrote:

FALSE. It plays at that speed in the beginning, but I'm playing a game
right now and it is taking an average of 100 seconds per move in the
late middlegame.

When weak players face one another, it is almost
inevitable that the game will last a long time, as
neither has the know-how to finish up efficiently.

while it is easy to beat it.
Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.

Late middlegame and you are up *only* one Rook?

I'm up a totally won position: 1-0. it doesn't get any better than that.

I'm just giving you a hard time. It seems to me
that you often complain about the program's
strength, but at the same time reveal certain,
shall I say, "difficulties", against it. (One might
expect a GM to complain about its strength, then
note how it only lasted twelve moves before being
mated.)

Obviously, the amount of material ahead is strongly
related to playing style; a GM Tal might be ahead by
a Queen at move fifteen, while a GM Petrosian might
have merely inflicted a fatal positional wound at that
point. Either way, the end result is the same.

My own style varies widely from one game to another.

-- help bot

On Apr 22, 12:59 pm, Sanny wrote:

Look, Sanny: since your programmers obviously
can not or will not look up the proper method of
implementing basic tactics, why don;t you do it
for them? Just do a google search on:
"check and capture extensions" and find one of
the many explanations and examples on how this
is implemented in achessprogram, then print and
hand it off to them. Assuming they can read, soon
your program would be back up above 1000 on
every level. (I'm not holding my breath.)

-- help bot

That improvement was done recently. Lets see if it helps it's play
strength.


If that were true, then we would not need to
wonder whether or not it helps: the playing strength
would increase *dramatically* overnight. This
weakness in tactics amounts to the single biggest
weakness of the program, and eliminating it will
yield immediate results. If the next time I play at
GetClub it shows no more tactical weakness, I
might just faint.

-- help bot

help bot wrote:
On Apr 22, 2:40 am, Kenneth Sloan wrote:

FALSE. It plays at that speed in the beginning, but I'm playing a game
right now and it is taking an average of 100 seconds per move in the
late middlegame.
When weak players face one another, it is almost
inevitable that the game will last a long time, as
neither has the know-how to finish up efficiently.
while it is easy to beat it.
Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.
Late middlegame and you are up *only* one Rook?
I'm up a totally won position: 1-0. it doesn't get any better than that.

I'm just giving you a hard time. It seems to me
that you often complain about the program's
strength, but at the same time reveal certain,
shall I say, "difficulties", against it. (One might
expect a GM to complain about its strength, then
note how it only lasted twelve moves before being
mated.)

Obviously, the amount of material ahead is strongly
related to playing style; a GM Tal might be ahead by
a Queen at move fifteen, while a GM Petrosian might
have merely inflicted a fatal positional wound at that
point. Either way, the end result is the same.

My own style varies widely from one game to another.

-- help bot


Ah, but I'm serious. There is no reward for gathering a large material
advantage or winning quickly. The only thing that matters is 1-0. I am
*always* more interested in a small material advantage that offers a
certain win (even if it means grinding out an endgame because the
opponent is too clueless to resign) rather than a huge material
advantage where my opponent still has chances.

Sometimes, against Sanny's folly, I'll give the material advantage back,
just to watch it squirm. Like pulling wings off flies.

If the program can't play ordinary chess, I'll look for an entertaining
game that I can play with it.

Which is, by the way, the only reason I *care* that the program runs at
the advertised speed.


--
Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/