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Old May 4th 07, 05:47 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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Default The Payment of $13,358.36 to Polgar

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfalter
Hal,

Some months ago a controversy was raging in this forum over expenses
and fees paid to GM Polgar at the 2003 US Open. Mr. Sam Sloan very
helpfully posted the itemization from Polgar's invoice, so Jack looked
it over with his auditor's eye. In a post that I read before it got
deleted, Jack stated that with the exception of one very small
expense, he saw nothing that would have triggered further
investigation if he had been auditing the invoice--i.e., everything
except for one very small item seemed reasonable. He also stated
that, while he claimed no particular expertise in appearance fees, he
had occasionally run across them while auditing, and Susan's fees
seemed lower than he had generally experienced in the past.

Paul's subsequent statements in this thread validate Jack's
perspective, of course, and I thank him for his contribution to the
thread.

I close by noting that the existence of a dispute over who would pay
Susan's fees and expenses at the 2003 US Open does not necessarily
imply that those fees and expenses were unreasonable. Other potential
reasons are manifold: personality clashes, philosophy of how to run
successful tournaments, or a desire to minimize financial commitments
would be at the head of the list.

Jack,

I have endeavored to represent your views accurately, and feel that I
have succeeded. Please do not hesitate to correct any mistakes on my
part, however!
It just so happens that my wife, Kayo Kimura, is an accounting major
at Lehman College, a division of CUNY, and she is taking a course in
advanced auditing this semester. Her professor is a partner in
Deloitte Haskins & Sells.

My wife just spent two weeks in the hospital. She was seriously ill.
She sent me to her class to take notes and report back to her on the
professor's lecture. The professor agreed to let me sit in on the
class.

It just so happened by fantastic coincidence that the professor
devoted his lecture to the subject above.

The first thing that Jack Lemoine would do it he were hired to audit
the above transactions is see not only whether the charges were
reasonable, but whether they were authorized. Did the board vote to
allow the hiring and the payment of these fees? Is there any
resolution of the board in the corporate minutes? Was there any
contract signed? Is there any memorandum or record of any agreement to
pay these fees? Are these fees reasonable in light of the general
custom and practices of the industry, which in this case is chess? Is
there any history of the USCF paying these kind of fees in light of
the services allegedly performed?

Unfortunately, the answer to all of the above questions is no. There
is no record of any agreement in advance to pay these fees and
charges, nor is there any history of the USCF ever paying comparable
fees to anybody other than on the occasion in question, nor did the
executive board pass any resolution authorizing the payment of these
fees.

In short, if Jack Lemoine were to audit this statement, the payment of
this $13,358.36 would raise questions, possibly requiring a footnote
in the financial statement.

Sam Sloan

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Old May 4th 07, 06:03 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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Default The Payment of $13,358.36 to Polgar

On May 4, 11:47 am, samsloan wrote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfalter
Hal,

Some months ago a controversy was raging in this forum over expenses
and fees paid to GM Polgar at the 2003 US Open. Mr. Sam Sloan very
helpfully posted the itemization from Polgar's invoice, so Jack looked
it over with his auditor's eye.
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfalter

Sam refers to himself in the third person? Only Sam describes his
pestilence as helpful.

In a post that I read before it got
deleted, Jack stated that with the exception of one very small
expense, he saw nothing that would have triggered further
investigation if he had been auditing the invoice--i.e., everything
except for one very small item seemed reasonable. He also stated
that, while he claimed no particular expertise in appearance fees, he
had occasionally run across them while auditing, and Susan's fees
seemed lower than he had generally experienced in the past.


Gee, so she discounts her fees to help chess. WOW Sam, what a crime!


Paul's subsequent statements in this thread validate Jack's
perspective, of course, and I thank him for his contribution to the
thread.

I close by noting that the existence of a dispute over who would pay
Susan's fees and expenses at the 2003 US Open does not necessarily
imply that those fees and expenses were unreasonable. Other potential
reasons are manifold: personality clashes, philosophy of how to run
successful tournaments, or a desire to minimize financial commitments
would be at the head of the list.


SO we still have no smoking gun?

Jack,

I have endeavored to represent your views accurately, and feel that I
have succeeded. Please do not hesitate to correct any mistakes on my
part, however!


It just so happens that my wife, Kayo Kimura, is an accounting major
at Lehman College, a division of CUNY, and she is taking a course in
advanced auditing this semester. Her professor is a partner in
Deloitte Haskins & Sells.


Ho hum....... Sam sits in on a class and magic happens... they discuss
accounting in an accounting class. Ye Gods! A miracle!


My wife just spent two weeks in the hospital. She was seriously ill.
She sent me to her class to take notes and report back to her on the
professor's lecture. The professor agreed to let me sit in on the
class.


Yadda-yadda-yadda!


It just so happened by fantastic coincidence that the professor
devoted his lecture to the subject above.

The first thing that Jack Lemoine would do it he were hired to audit
the above transactions is see not only whether the charges were
reasonable, but whether they were authorized. Did the board vote to
allow the hiring and the payment of these fees? Is there any
resolution of the board in the corporate minutes? Was there any
contract signed? Is there any memorandum or record of any agreement to
pay these fees? Are these fees reasonable in light of the general
custom and practices of the industry, which in this case is chess? Is
there any history of the USCF paying these kind of fees in light of
the services allegedly performed?


Try out for the Olympics, Sam. With your ability to Jump to
conclusions with the distance you do should get you a medal in the
broad jump.

Unfortunately, the answer to all of the above questions is no. There
is no record of any agreement in advance to pay these fees and
charges, nor is there any history of the USCF ever paying comparable
fees to anybody other than on the occasion in question, nor did the
executive board pass any resolution authorizing the payment of these
fees.



Is the horse dead yet Sam?

In short, if Jack Lemoine were to audit this statement, the payment of
this $13,358.36 would raise questions, possibly requiring a footnote
in the financial statement.


Doubtful.

Sam Sloan



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Old May 5th 07, 12:36 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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Default The Payment of $13,358.36 to Polgar

Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeditor
Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan

The first thing that Jack Lemoine would do it he were hired to audit
the above transactions is see not only whether the charges were
reasonable, but whether they were authorized. Did the board vote to
allow the hiring and the payment of these fees? Is there any
resolution of the board in the corporate minutes? Was there any
contract signed? Is there any memorandum or record of any agreement to
pay these fees?

Why should there be? At the time in question (and during most of the
history of the USCF), such matters were entirely at the discretion of
the ED. If the Board didn't like what he did, they could fire him.
Periods of Board micromanagement have occurred, but they have been
rare and generally unsuccessful.
But that was precisely the problem. The Executive Director had
disappeared, vanished, gone, never to be seen again.

However, he had left behind a laptop computer, which presumably
contained any records of this transaction, if they existed.

However, when that laptop computer was taken by the virtuous Miss P,
all records of the transaction disappeared.

So, the question is: Upon what legal basis was the amount of
$13,358.36 paid by Mr. G to Miss P?

Sam Sloan

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Old May 5th 07, 06:38 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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Default The Payment of $13,358.36 to Polgar

On May 4, 6:36 pm, samsloan wrote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeditor
Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan

The first thing that Jack Lemoine would do it he were hired to audit
the above transactions is see not only whether the charges were
reasonable, but whether they were authorized. Did the board vote to
allow the hiring and the payment of these fees? Is there any
resolution of the board in the corporate minutes? Was there any
contract signed? Is there any memorandum or record of any agreement to
pay these fees?

Why should there be? At the time in question (and during most of the
history of the USCF), such matters were entirely at the discretion of
the ED. If the Board didn't like what he did, they could fire him.
Periods of Board micromanagement have occurred, but they have been
rare and generally unsuccessful.

But that was precisely the problem. The Executive Director had
disappeared, vanished, gone, never to be seen again.

However, he had left behind a laptop computer, which presumably
contained any records of this transaction, if they existed.

However, when that laptop computer was taken by the virtuous Miss P,
all records of the transaction disappeared.

So, the question is: Upon what legal basis was the amount of
$13,358.36 paid by Mr. G to Miss P?

Sam Sloan


I was agreed to by an official representative with the authority to
negotiate contracts.

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Old May 5th 07, 09:43 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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Default The Payment of $13,358.36 to Polgar

Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeditor
Am I the only one who's getting awfully tired of
this droning redundancy? The ED (or someone working under his
authority) entered into binding agreements to pay for services
rendered. Those agreements did not require approval by the Board,
which is there to set policy, not to micromanage operations. If you
want to criticize the Board that hired Frank Niro, fine. That's
legitimate, albeit pretty pointless now. To suggest that the USCF
could or should repudiate contracts entered into by its CEO suggests a
certain, ah, lack of contact with the real world of the non-judgment-
proof.
Who was that ED or who was that person acting under his authority? Can
you provide the name of that mysterious person. What did he agree to
and when? Why has no paper record been found of this transaction? Why
did Miss P wait until months after the incidents in question and until
after she had taken the laptop computer prior to demanding payment?

Finally and perhaps most importantly why did Mr. G conceal the fact
that he had made this payment of $13,358.36 to Miss P from the board
then in office and from the current board until Mr. S discovered the
payment in the books and records of the USCF late last year?

Sam Sloan

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Old May 5th 07, 10:48 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeditor
Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeditor
Am I the only
one who's getting awfully tired of this droning redundancy? The ED (or
someone working under his authority) entered into binding agreements
to pay for services rendered. Those agreements did not require
approval by the Board, which is there to set policy, not to
micromanage operations. If you want to criticize the Board that hired
Frank Niro, fine. That's legitimate, albeit pretty pointless now. To
suggest that the USCF could or should repudiate contracts entered into
by its CEO suggests a certain, ah, lack of contact with the real world
of the non-judgment-proof.
Who was that ED or who was that person acting under his authority? Can
you provide the name of that mysterious person. What did he agree to
and when? Why has no paper record been found of this transaction? Why
did Miss P wait until months after the incidents in question and until
after she had taken the laptop computer prior to demanding payment?

Finally and perhaps most importantly why did Mr. G conceal the fact
that he had made this payment of $13,358.36 to Miss P from the board
then in office and from the current board until Mr. S discovered the
payment in the books and records of the USCF late last year?

Sam Sloan
Frank Niro was the ED. The 2003 U.S. Open deal, which you've done a
good deal of whining about, was mostly handled by Diane Reese. A
better question is why the USCF waited so long to pay its bills, but
the answer, of course, is that in 2003 it didn't have the money. You
know all this as well as I do, Sam, but you seem to be under the
impression that the readers (and voters) are dullards.

Do you really expect us to believe that Polgar gave lectures and
simuls with no agreement on payment, in the hope that she would be
able to con the USCF later after the ED had vanished? If so, would you
like to buy a bridge?

(Note also that I'm fairly sure all those agreements were, in fact,
documented the last time you raised this farrago. But since, unlike
some I could name, I do not make factual claims unless I am certain, I
will leave that aside for now.)

As for your second paragraph, have you the slightest evidence that the
payment was "concealed" from the Board? Are you actually boasting of
making the shocking discovery that the USCF paid its bills? And why
exactly would the current board be informed about payment of a closed
account that took place before they were took office?

Wouldn't you be happier back at rgcp, where no one bothers you with
those pesky facts?
This issue came up and was discussed at the November, 2006 meeting of
the USCF Executive Board in Stamford, Connecticut. This may explain
why the tapes or transcripts of that meeting have never been posted.

Since the discussion of this issue by the board remains top secret,
why don't you tell us what evidence you have that either Frank Niro or
Diane Reese agreed to pay Miss P the sum of $13,358.36?

Have you ever spoken to either of them about this, or is your source
just Jerry Hanken, who admits that he has never spoken to either of
them about this subject?

Sam Sloan

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Old May 5th 07, 11:47 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeditor
I suspect what you mean is the you brought it
up. Quoting yourself as a source for own delusions? Non-starter.

Your weaseling is getting a little tiresome. What exactly are you
trying to claim? Clearly the work was done and the invoices were
submitted. I doubt even you would assert that Polgar did the work with
no promise of payment. It seems, therefore, that you must be arguing
that the invoices submitted were for an amount greater than what was
agreed in advance. (Of course, this is libelous, but that's never
bothered you before.) While this is theoretically possible -- perhaps
it's even common in the circles you inhabit -- the burden of proof is
on you. Find some evidence or shut up. You do know what
evidence is, don't you?

(And, as I mentioned before, I'm fairly sure all of this has already
been documented in earlier threads and BINFOs. You, however, don't
have enough credibility to justify the hour or so it would take me to
dig it all up.)
Not true. Several board members addressed this topic at the meeting in
Stamford. I can recall Bill Goichberg and Beatriz Marinello speaking
on this subject. It was also at about this time that the "under the
table" incident occurred.

This is an example of why it is important to maintain transcripts of
these meetings.

Regarding the "work" that Susan Polgar allegedly performed in Los
Angeles, committee members and delegates are never paid, nor are their
expenses ever covered for attending these annual meetings. Miss P and
Mr. T apparently consider themselves to be privileged characters just
for showing up. Please note that they demanded a per diem allowance of
$50 per day each for 14 days for a total of $1400. Miss P is, of
course, a self-made celebrity and can hope to have her expenses paid,
but who is Mr. T and what made Mr. T entitled to be paid just for
being there. What did he do that entitled him to receive money from
the USCF? With most of the US grandmasters present in Los Angeles at
their own expense, what is so special about Miss P that she expects to
be paid for flying there?

Sam Sloan

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Old May 5th 07, 02:44 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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On May 5, 3:48 am, samsloan wrote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeditor
Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeditor
Am I the only
one who's getting awfully tired of this droning redundancy? The ED (or
someone working under his authority) entered into binding agreements
to pay for services rendered. Those agreements did not require
approval by the Board, which is there to set policy, not to
micromanage operations. If you want to criticize the Board that hired
Frank Niro, fine. That's legitimate, albeit pretty pointless now. To
suggest that the USCF could or should repudiate contracts entered into
by its CEO suggests a certain, ah, lack of contact with the real world
of the non-judgment-proof.

Who was that ED or who was that person acting under his authority? Can
you provide the name of that mysterious person. What did he agree to
and when? Why has no paper record been found of this transaction? Why
did Miss P wait until months after the incidents in question and until
after she had taken the laptop computer prior to demanding payment?

Finally and perhaps most importantly why did Mr. G conceal the fact
that he had made this payment of $13,358.36 to Miss P from the board
then in office and from the current board until Mr. S discovered the
payment in the books and records of the USCF late last year?

Sam Sloan

Frank Niro was the ED. The 2003 U.S. Open deal, which you've done a
good deal of whining about, was mostly handled by Diane Reese. A
better question is why the USCF waited so long to pay its bills, but
the answer, of course, is that in 2003 it didn't have the money. You
know all this as well as I do, Sam, but you seem to be under the
impression that the readers (and voters) are dullards.

Do you really expect us to believe that Polgar gave lectures and
simuls with no agreement on payment, in the hope that she would be
able to con the USCF later after the ED had vanished? If so, would you
like to buy a bridge?

(Note also that I'm fairly sure all those agreements were, in fact,
documented the last time you raised this farrago. But since, unlike
some I could name, I do not make factual claims unless I am certain, I
will leave that aside for now.)

As for your second paragraph, have you the slightest evidence that the
payment was "concealed" from the Board? Are you actually boasting of
making the shocking discovery that the USCF paid its bills? And why
exactly would the current board be informed about payment of a closed
account that took place before they were took office?

Wouldn't you be happier back at rgcp, where no one bothers you with
those pesky facts?

This issue came up and was discussed at the November, 2006 meeting of
the USCF Executive Board in Stamford, Connecticut. This may explain
why the tapes or transcripts of that meeting have never been posted.

Since the discussion of this issue by the board remains top secret,
why don't you tell us what evidence you have that either Frank Niro or
Diane Reese agreed to pay Miss P the sum of $13,358.36?

Have you ever spoken to either of them about this, or is your source
just Jerry Hanken, who admits that he has never spoken to either of
them about this subject?

Sam Sloan


Yet further proof that Mr. Sloan wishes he were a proctologist.. The
game now will be to have a contest to see who can make the best use of
Sam in this analogy.

Example: Top ten reasons Sam Sloan should be a
proctologist:

#10. His favorite song is " Burning Ring of Fire"
#9. He always tries his best to be a pain in the butt!


You provide the other eight reasons. We can vote on the best.

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Old May 5th 07, 05:15 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,soc.culture.magyar,misc.legal,alt.accounting
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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan
Regarding the "work" that Susan Polgar allegedly performed in Los
Angeles, committee members and delegates are never paid, nor are their
expenses ever covered for attending these annual meetings.
How is that even remotely relevant? She was there to give lectures and
simuls, not to attend the Delegates meeting. As you know perfectly
well, the May 2003 TLA said, "Former Women's World Champ. GM Susan
Polgar will give lectures and simultaneous exhibitions." Are you
really trying to claim that she agreed to do this for nothing?

Quote:
Miss P and Mr. T apparently consider themselves to be
privileged characters just for showing up. Please note that they
demanded a per diem allowance of $50 per day each for 14 days for a
total of $1400. Miss P is, of course, a self-made celebrity and can
hope to have her expenses paid, but who is Mr. T and what made Mr. T
entitled to be paid just for being there. What did he do that entitled
him to receive money from the USCF? With most of the US grandmasters
present in Los Angeles at their own expense, what is so special about
Miss P that she expects to be paid for flying there?

Sam Sloan
An authorized representative of the USCF agreed to pay the fees. If
you don't like it, make a motion to fire Niro or Reese. Oh, wait ...

Don't you ever get tired of bringing discredit to your office?
I ask again: What evidence do you have that either Niro or Reese
agreed to pay these fees? Niro disappeared and Reese has since
resigned so you cannot ask them.

We have a new situation here in that Jamie Anson, the person whose
check for $24,000 bounced, wrote that she had been promised her
expenses for attending the 2003 US Open in Los Angeles, and she was
never paid. She was a regular member of the USCF staff.

Even the prize winners at the 2003 US Open in Los Angeles had to wait
for months to get their prize checks.

Why is it that Miss P who had a very dubious claim for money and Mr. T
who had no case whatever got paid by Mr. G, but the actual USCF
employees who worked at the US Open in Los Angeles still have not been
paid?

Sam Sloan

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Old May 5th 07, 09:13 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Sam Sloan


I would like Mr. Sloan to provide a total accounting of the costs to
the USCF in defending his frivilous lawsuits? How much money has Mr.
Sloan cost the USCF when they honored his requests for various items?
I dare say Mr. Sloan has depleted USCF funds at a much greater rate
than any other single person and has contributed even less.

 




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